Operation Sindoor

[Prasad]

If that's your understanding of the situation how do you explain continuing drone attacks by Fauji Foundation with an equally underwhelming & tepid " proportional " response by us ?

Fact of the matter is neither side is escalating . Paxtan isn't for it can't & India isn't for it doesn't want to . It's either this or both sides are waiting for the other to escalate before they respond or whatever both sides are indulging in thru drone warfare are probing attacks.

Modi doesn't want to escalate. Period. We saw as much in the post Operation Swift Retort scenario & we're seeing it once again now . If Paxtan didn't respond to our bombings of 9 terrorist camps in various cities across Paxtan that would've been the end of it .

I don't know what prevented him from responding to Operation Swift Retort just as I don't know what's preventing him from escalating now. The only conclusion I can draw from this is the fear that escalation in both these scenarios could lead to unforseen circumstances which may not necessarily be a N war but a full fledged war under the N overhang.

And Modi isn't confident in the potential of our armed forces to prevail in such a scenario , something for which he bears a good deal of responsibility for by keeping the CAPEX of the armed forces on drip feed for more than a decade now & a defence procurement policy which has yielded mixed results , mostly underwhelming ones.

Why exactly is this so I don't have the slightest clue ?! I've been trying to understand Modi's psyche in this matter for the past decade but I've given up .Hellfire has been calling Modi , Nehru 2.0 since 2020. Unlike Nehru , Modi's no ahimsawadi.

Yet there's not much difference in both of their approaches to defence. Both seem to think & treat it as a necessary evil. The former openly said so while the latter has been posing for photographs in remote locations for the past decade every Diwali without fail while spending the occassion with our armed forces , without saying so but acting in a similar manner.

And we're supposed to go up against China very soon.

I call BS on pakis calling US and threatening us with nuke attacks.
if they ever went to US with that threat, they would have been screwed beyond belief by US itself.

just think on this, Russia has more nuclear bombs than any other nation but has never threatened to use one even with loosing 100's of thousands of their soldiers.
Israel after the massacre never brought up nukes.
just think for a sec.

World has very little appetite for nuclear threats.

 

[Asmodeus]

Very important..


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[niks_12]

If that's your understanding of the situation how do you explain continuing drone attacks by Fauji Foundation with an equally underwhelming & tepid " proportional " response by us ?

Fact of the matter is neither side is escalating . Paxtan isn't for it can't & India isn't for it doesn't want to . It's either this or both sides are waiting for the other to escalate before they respond or whatever both sides are indulging in thru drone warfare are probing attacks.

Modi doesn't want to escalate. Period. We saw as much in the post Operation Swift Retort scenario & we're seeing it once again now . If Paxtan didn't respond to our bombings of 9 terrorist camps in various cities across Paxtan that would've been the end of it .

I don't know what prevented him from responding to Operation Swift Retort just as I don't know what's preventing him from escalating now. The only conclusion I can draw from this is the fear that escalation in both these scenarios could lead to unforseen circumstances which may not necessarily be a N war but a full fledged war under the N overhang.

And Modi isn't confident in the potential of our armed forces to prevail in such a scenario , something for which he bears a good deal of responsibility for by keeping the CAPEX of the armed forces on drip feed for more than a decade now & a defence procurement policy which has yielded mixed results , mostly underwhelming ones.

Why exactly is this so I don't have the slightest clue ?! I've been trying to understand Modi's psyche in this matter for the past decade but I've given up .Hellfire has been calling Modi , Nehru 2.0 since 2020. Unlike Nehru , Modi's no ahimsawadi.

Yet there's not much difference in both of their approaches to defence. Both seem to think & treat it as a necessary evil. The former openly said so while the latter has been posing for photographs in remote locations for the past decade every Diwali without fail while spending the occassion with our armed forces , without saying so but acting in a similar manner.

And we're supposed to go up against China very soon.

Simple.

It's Modi's personality type. He is tough but has no stomach for wars. Both are very different things.

And I have had many such friends over the years, who were nationalists and were tough, even wanted to punish Porkis, but when it came to actual war and the fallout, they backed out because they got cold feet or too much empathy (ex: Abhinandan case or seeing casualties). Real war requires aggression, kind of Machiavellian characteristics (such as supreme confidence) and managing what can be various adverse fallouts, example: nuclear overhang, sanctions etc. Then comes planning.

Also, there is the election angle. One thing good in the Indira times was that, she was overconfident of the hold of Congress on the electorate and winning elections. So she was not really bothered about adverse consequences such as losing elections. BJP on the other hand is a new kid in the block and is always looking for ways to preserve that Kursi.

 

[karn]

It is just hard to believe that we can long distance attack and destroy their most precious of belongings (stored underground)?

Even the inbred Pakis would keep their nukes in a very secure place, considering all the normal earthquakes they experience. And the potential attacks from Balochis and TTP who keep targeting their military bases.

We have no nothing that can penetrate the mountain and close the issue. IAF hit the entrance that would atmost delay them.

 

[Asmodeus]

Pakistan was stunned and went into huddle after Rawalpindi and several Pakistani Airbases and Mil Stations came under attack by India for aggression.

Pakistan knew that it can’t stand India’s retaliation in the long run. Pakistan was forced into a ceasefire because they knew what was coming.

No word on Pakistan sponsored terrorism. No word on Jihadist nature of Asim Munir. No word on chaos in Pakistani Govt and political turmoil. Don’t hide reality from Global audience.

Pakistani military was brought to its knees before it could come to talk begging for back-channel dialogue. India won’t tolerate Pakistani terrorism and proxy war. #OperationSindoor is a message and a Red Line.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

What Pakis will improve in the coming days, months, years or however long the era of bhddha goes on.
1) improving counter drones capability
2) improving air defense
3) development of ballistic missiles that can targete deeper into india.
4) nuclear delivery means development
5) securing nukes in a better way
6) cooperation with China to mass produce drone or at least assemble it locally
7) development of an anti aircraft strategy
8) better sop regarding drone countermeasure for public

Just the few I can.

We could have pushed them back by a decade but now we have given them reason to be future ready.

All these things you mentioned would take 50-100 billion dollar investment and years to develop none of this is happening anytime soon or possibly ever??

 

[Azaad]

Simple.

It's Modi's personality type. He is tough but has no stomach for wars. Both are very different things.

And I have had many such friends over the years, who were nationalists and were tough, even wanted to punish Porkis, but when it came to actual war and the fallout, they backed out because they got cold feet or too much empathy (ex: Abhinandan case or seeing casualties). Real war requires aggression, kind of Machiavellian characteristics (such as supreme confidence) and managing what can be various adverse fallouts, example: nuclear overhang, sanctions etc. Then comes planning.

Also, there is the election angle. One thing good in the Indira times was that, she was overconfident of the hold of Congress on the electorate and winning elections. So she was not really bothered about adverse consequences such as losing elections. BJP on the other hand is a new kid in the block and is always looking for ways to preserve that Kursi.

Frankly I don't think you've understood the half of what I've written there. The same Modi was also accused of planning & plotting in great detail reprisal attacks on Muslims in the aftermath of the Godhra train carnage.

Besides what great elections is he facing now & who exactly is challenging his position in the BJP today & for the foreseeable future ?

 

[irawita]

Just woke up, and there seems to be a lack of clarity — is the war still on or not? The ceasefire appears to officially be broken

 

[redpanda]

All these things you mentioned would take 50-100 billion dollar investment and years to develop none of this is happening anytime soon or possibly ever??

Noob question what if China helps them develop those with it's industrial capabilities. They can repaint it as Paxtani innovation while those things would be Chinese. How realistic it would be for them with Chinese help to develop all those things?

 

[Vinash]

A foreigner has to showcase the Ws for us


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This is the level of analysis that Indians need to learn to do. I am searching for some analysis of what the purpose of this entire confrontation was other than to demonstrate military potential. The IMF bailing out Packistan means what? Who benefited from this conflict? Nothing happens for no reason.

He's no ordinary foreigner though. Impressive resume. No wonder he knows the Pakis well.

 

[Vinash]

Just woke up, and there seems to be a lack of clarity — is the war still on or not? The ceasefire appears to officially be broken

Pakis did an attack after the ceasefire and our officials are doing everything to ignore the attack so as to keep the ceasefire intact.

Basically, we are willing to allow Pak to have the last laugh.

 

[Nibbler]

What are they bargaining chips on the table for this "discussions" they will be having

I see nothing that they can really offer.

Like even if they genuinely wanted to stop cross border terrorism, would whoever shows up able to speak for every faction in the army, all the various groups they have nurtured

Nor do I see anything that india can really offer. BLA and TTP are not dependent on India for existence. IWT is untenable and cannot be put back in place.

 

[silentassassin265]

Just woke up, and there seems to be a lack of clarity — is the war still on or not? The ceasefire appears to officially be broken

Ceasefire holds unfortunately.
Porkies tried last minute adventure but was not successful, they did manage to send 10 to 15 terrorists though.
Can't go against burgericans at this point as they hold around 300 for our jet engines as hostage

 

[Knowitall]

No.

Bigger countries with much powerful militaries for 1000+ years have failed to decimate islamic terror.
It would be hubris to think we can do it alone.

What we have done is link terror attacks to Pak and basically told them they will be held responsible for every terror attack on us. And then we followed it up with actions that have increased in magnitude.
The next one, cost imposed will be much more.

Thank you i got my answer. You are entitled to your opinion and so am i. I also feel we cannot really change each other’s perspective so we can agree to disagree since we both still have the same common goal.

 

[srev2004]

We can technically offer porkies IWT in exchange of terrorists and also denulerizarion

We just need to start an arms race which makes it very expensive for China and US to continue financing Pakistan

 

[silentassassin265]

Another card we have is helping Afghanistan with short range AD system and building dams on their rivers to choke porkistan from all side

 

[silentassassin265]

We just need to start an arms race which makes it very expensive for China and US to continue financing Pakistan

They would rather starve half of their population than lose arms race.
Even now when their country is barely surving they have outpaces us in defence procurement.

 

[Psacha123]

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[Lord Voldemort]

I wasn't watching any TV to know if their body language changed but from the comments to this post there is a possibility Pakistan blackmailed with nukes or were planning at least a limited nuke attack. And to think they are now claiming victory makes my blood boil.

Also there were reports yesterday India had intercepted a ballistic missile was that confirmed?


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[Prasad]

Thank you i got my answer. You are entitled to your opinion and so am i. I also feel we cannot really change each other’s perspective so we can agree to disagree since we both still have the same common goal.

perspectives can't be changed and neither can facts.

There is simply no country that can say with a straight face that they can stop islamic terror.
and my response was a 'No' when it comes to India as well.
Can we stop islamic terror? No
Are we doing a better job stopping it than we were 10 years back? yes

The different perspectives here is our opinion on what can achieved wrt Pakistan.
some think complete decimation is possible as of today, others think we need few more years to be in that position.
You belong to the former and I belong to the later.

As long as we are NOT being abusive, it is perfectly fine to be in that perspective of ours and be respectful of it.