Operation Sindoor

I hope we are using this pause to replenish everything and making plans incase it turns hot again
I suppose that is the great silver lining to this. DRDO's reputation is now pretty much unimpeachable by any Chandigarh lobby and Indian defence contractors are going to finally get their day in the sun. If we don't do thatafter this, then we deserve what happens.
 
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Are you a teenager by any chance?
Probably someone's sockpuppet account. This amount of ball glazing isn't normal. Someone who speaks more sense usually so they created this one to do the absurd ball lifting.
Okay, so you really think that India can be brought to its knees by kidnapping Vikram Misri or Dr. Jaishanakar's family members? Pakistan is a military dictatorship where the country is RUN by these people, and for example, if you kidnapped Asim Munir's family, you can control the Pak Army's actions. Are you saying that something like this can be done against India with a similar effect?
Then that's a WHOLE DIFFERENT conversation. But let me tell you this, NEVER HAPPENING in the Indian context.
Yes. If your family is settled in a country that you're taking a hard stance against, you're a liability.

Misri is on the lower end of such compromised bunch. There are hundreds and thousands with similar affiliations. If even a few of them get a phone call, Indians will be made to stand in front of a firing squad in live stream to save their children. What will you do? Govt will just say nothing happened like they're doing to drone attacks right now.
 
Why not after uri some defence analyst on twitter with surname sen said to target kids of pak establishment abroad .

After that tweet many non resident pakistanis in the comment section called for peace and bhaichara sem2sem etc.

I just said that this strategy can work for Pakistan. India won't do it that's a different convo.

Why give a flying f*** about the 0.5 front? Woh hamesha rahega is desh mein, irrespective of foreign influence, kyunki we Indians are innately self-critical. Just make sure that YOU as an informed patriot do not give them arguments to support their anti-GoI stance.
 
Why not after uri some defence analyst on twitter with surname sen said to target kids of pak establishment abroad .

After that tweet many non resident pakistanis in the comment section called for peace and bhaichara sem2sem etc.
This approach really doesn't solve anything, and only makes look like bunch of thugs, even Israel and mossad don't do it, it's pointless, pak establishment itself is not a monolith, you deal with one general, other comes up to take his place.

Grow our economy and overwhelm them with military and economic might, that's how countries defeat their enemies in long term.
 
Elections are far away as of now…

Indian Govt has plenty of time … We are not looking for any face savour unlike paki whiskey munira…

We will and are responding to every aggression in same proportional way( where pakis get 5% hits we achieve 100% objectives)

Sure our border areas are affected but in response whole pakistan is…

India can sustain this forever let see how long for pakis
Did we responded to yesternight's violations by pakistan? I don't hear anything. It was like we were defending and didn't inflict any damage to them. If this continues we will run out of defences. Pakistan has actually established a new costly threshold. They will now send drones. We will counter them with expensive defences. It is unsustainable in long run. We need to punish them too. Not just evade. We should reply with twice firepower. Its the only sustainable way to end the threat from them.

Does anyone know what was our offensive response to yesternight's violation by Pakistan? Did we send some drones in pakistan or not?
 
Babus came to an understanding with jihadi radical leaders, but failed to understand own public emotions


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This is not confirmed by government. This is just being trickled down to placate people who can see drones overhead and are rightly calling out the sellers of Indian lives.

Goverment will deny any of this. They won't have to deny because they didn't confirm this in first place.

Until the MEA skunks with their foreigner clutch of liabilities show their duplicitous faces again in a presser and confirm things like this, there's no weight to believing this.
 
Modi got a decade to arrest rahul and sonia in national herald case and neutralize scangress and sikular parties as threat.
Why he agreed for elections in j&k and bring back terrorists like abdullah and other backstabbers,why he didn't neutralize supreme court judicial overreach.
Why he cut down funds and resources for bajrang dal and vhp who are our second line of defence for 0.5 front.

Modi first decision was diluting the collegium system, Supreme Court didnt agree

SC is made like a viceroy in Indian system only way is building public pressure so SC can agree to make changes

Govt has put forth facts in public I dont see any private citizens bringing massive protests any BjP led protest will be cast aside by SC



There are some limits in Democracy.. Modi got 240 seats barely able to run with some secular allies(who both used to abuse Modi and BJP)
 
Probably the frustration at being shunted out by Indian officials completely is getting to them. He says that the Pakistani sources are saying it but providing no rejoinder or context.
Western bikau media orgs want the same lallu laal chomu indians to give them info and interviews whenever they like, thats how it used to happen in maunmohan days, which why you hear so much about "muh press confrence" from our librandus.
 
This approach really doesn't solve anything, and only makes look like bunch of thugs, even Israel and mossad don't do it, it's pointless, pak establishment itself is not a monolith, you deal with one general, other comes up to take his place.

Grow our economy and overwhelm them with military and economic might, that's how countries defeat their enemies in long term.
An ethnic religious target killing against us must be responded with similar ethnic target neutralization of our enemy.
 
Babus came to an understanding with jihadi radical leaders, but failed to understand own public emotions

Very true, this is what I said yesterday itself, right after the ceasefire was announced. Cross posting here:

Disclaimer: Long post, so apologies in advance. Also, never before have I wished for IT Celliya 786D masterstrokewadis to be right more than now; quite happy to take my words back and accept my mistake if this ceasefire chutiyap truly turns out to be some 56D masterstroke. Until then, you can "MUHHH Blackpill and 20-20 match" me all you want, but what I'm about to say stands.

India is probably the only major military power in the world that doesn't realize it's a major military power. The Gandhian mindset coupled with the Nehruvian gora validation seeking still lives long among our political establishment. I remember, in the old DFI, I was relentlessly crucified one time when I alluded that if we are bending to Amrika's diktat on issues like Nupur Sharma or some other such issues, it only logically follows that we shall follow Amrika's diktat on issues of retaking POK and other problems as well. I was told that some goals are supreme and sacrosanct and those shall never be compromised on Amrika's say-so, unlike the other "smaller" issues.

Well, after today, I daresay I was right.

This is pussyfooting on the levels of Menachem Begin's betrayal with the Camp David Accords. Actually, more like the cuck Ehud Olmert, when he was the PM of Israel, stating that "We are tired of winning". Yes, that is an actual quote. "We are tired of winning". That's the precise attitude which I sense from this Gormint too. They act as if they believe that Indians were tired of the conflict and weren't prepared to pay the price of prolonged warfare. Yet, whatever I have seen the last few days and weeks disputes this notion.

This also betrays a terrible gap between the leadership and the people in India. India's political and (possibly?) military leaders and definitely the sepoy babus mistakenly believe that Indian society is tired of the protracted conflict and is unwilling to pay the price of continuous war. It reflects a sense of weariness at the leadership level. Decision makers in this "ceasefire" were probably motivated by such sentiments and by a similar misperception of Indian society. Thus, casualty aversion has become a main feature of India's political-military modus operandi.

While the need to avoid reckless loss of human life is self-evident, there was enthusiastic backing for offensive operations all over the country, even if military casualties were inevitable. A huge majority of Indians lent full support to the war. We wanted an unequivocal victory and were ready to pay a high price for achieving it.

What are the things we have achieved instead?

1) We have provided Porkis with an insight as to their weaknesses and chinks in the armor, allowing them to plug those potholes and be better prepared for skirmishes next time, which consequently won't be a cakewalk for us like this time.

2) We have allowed Amrika and Orange Man to put his personal stamp on this ceasefire, which means if we try to contravene it, it will result in embarrassment for the Orange Man, who will then punish us definitely because now his name is on the paper.

3) We have brought the average Indian's sentiment (who normally is a materialistic sheep) to a fever pitch only to douse them with cold water. This, in turn, ensures that the next time, momentum like this in the civilian front will be hard to generate. By default, Indians are materialistic and passive, and it will be hard to generate this war fervour in them again, and not them simply dismissing it as "Arre last time bhi yeh sab hua tha phir ceasefire ho gaya, abhi bhi wahi hoga, no danger of war"

4) This "any act of terror = act of war" I'm not able to buy at all. I refuse to believe that a terror attack with 5 casualties in the future will result in a declaration of war when a terror attack of 30+ casualties ended with a ceasefire decided within 1 hour of Porkies begging us. This was even proved yesterday when the Babus provided cover and shield for Porkies by denying their hand in attacks at Jammu and Vaishno Devi, clearly visible to anyone.

5) After having, at face value, accepted Porkies' word of a ceasefire, even if we do decide to claim later that Porkies have violated ceasefire and therefore we shall resume offensive operations, we open the door to the West's calls for investigations and false flags, because it will simply be seen as trigger-happy itching from us at abandoning a ceasefire we so recently agreed to.

6) We have shown the Baloch and Pashtuns AGAIN, maybe for the hundredth time that we are not reliable allies. Any Pakistani separatist movement which expects our backing and help can now safely conclude that they shall be abandoned by us at the drop of a hat.

7) Also, this is a massive, MASSIVE blow to the ambitions for retaking PoK. I'm not even sure if retaking PoK is a goal or aim for this current disposition at all now. If the present scenario with all its terror attacks and strikes on cities and strategic advantages wasn't enough to demand some major concessions, what exactly is the condition or criteria for taking back PoK. How many more cuts does Porkistan have to open for us to want PoK back. Is PoK even a target anymore or is it full on Ekanami and Wusswaguru shit from now? If it's not, then that's just another major example of us abandoning even a semblance of rightful historical and national claims.

Unfortunately, India's political and Babu leadership has no clear concept of what victory over Pakistan entails. It wasted an important opportunity to settle scores and enhance our deterrence.

And the problem is India cannot afford such failures. Hopefully, Indian leadership will be better prepared with appropriate military and diplomatic strategies for attaining a clearly-defined victory in the next round, whenever that happens. If that happens.

Tl;dr: Nothing ever happens. It's so over. "We are tired of winning":facepalm4::facepalm4::facepalm4:
 
Probably someone's sockpuppet account. This amount of ball glazing isn't normal. Someone who speaks more sense usually so they created this one to do the absurd ball lifting.

Yes. If your family is settled in a country that you're taking a hard stance against, you're a liability.

Misri is on the lower end of such compromised bunch. There are hundreds and thousands with similar affiliations. If even a few of them get a phone call, Indians will be made to stand in front of a firing squad in live stream to save their children. What will you do? Govt will just say nothing happened like they're doing to drone attacks right now.

This is absolutely wrong. Let me reiterate that India isn't run by any single person. Yes, we have a lot of "liabilities" in a lot of babu children being abroad and all, but none of them have the leverage to change things so drastically. If you think they do, then you're fooling yourself into giving them more importance than they have.
You're equating the influence of babus on domestic and civil matters with their influence on Indian military action and foreign policy. Granted, they had a lot more influence in such matters in previous governments but they simply do not have that much power anymore.
 
Did we responded to yesternight's violations by pakistan? I don't hear anything. It was like we were defending and didn't inflict any damage to them. If this continues we will run out of defences. Pakistan has actually established a new costly threshold. They will now send drones. We will counter them with expensive defences. It is unsustainable in long run. We need to punish them too. Not just evade. We should reply with twice firepower. Its the only sustainable way to end the threat from them.

Does anyone know what was our offensive response to yesternight's violation by Pakistan? Did we send some drones in pakistan or not?

Yes we responded and much more broadly if u cant even search for counter actions which was in public domain what shall I expect from u to understand the situation ..

No pakistan didnt have put any threshold on India

India has hit whole pakistan from north to south and hit all spectrum of targets

This is the threshold

IWT is goner no action is more strategic in nature than this
 
Very true, this is what I said yesterday itself, right after the ceasefire was announced. Cross posting here:

Disclaimer: Long post, so apologies in advance. Also, never before have I wished for IT Celliya 786D masterstrokewadis to be right more than now; quite happy to take my words back and accept my mistake if this ceasefire chutiyap truly turns out to be some 56D masterstroke. Until then, you can "MUHHH Blackpill and 20-20 match" me all you want, but what I'm about to say stands.

India is probably the only major military power in the world that doesn't realize it's a major military power. The Gandhian mindset coupled with the Nehruvian gora validation seeking still lives long among our political establishment. I remember, in the old DFI, I was relentlessly crucified one time when I alluded that if we are bending to Amrika's diktat on issues like Nupur Sharma or some other such issues, it only logically follows that we shall follow Amrika's diktat on issues of retaking POK and other problems as well. I was told that some goals are supreme and sacrosanct and those shall never be compromised on Amrika's say-so, unlike the other "smaller" issues.

Well, after today, I daresay I was right.

This is pussyfooting on the levels of Menachem Begin's betrayal with the Camp David Accords. Actually, more like the cuck Ehud Olmert, when he was the PM of Israel, stating that "We are tired of winning". Yes, that is an actual quote. "We are tired of winning". That's the precise attitude which I sense from this Gormint too. They act as if they believe that Indians were tired of the conflict and weren't prepared to pay the price of prolonged warfare. Yet, whatever I have seen the last few days and weeks disputes this notion.

This also betrays a terrible gap between the leadership and the people in India. India's political and (possibly?) military leaders and definitely the sepoy babus mistakenly believe that Indian society is tired of the protracted conflict and is unwilling to pay the price of continuous war. It reflects a sense of weariness at the leadership level. Decision makers in this "ceasefire" were probably motivated by such sentiments and by a similar misperception of Indian society. Thus, casualty aversion has become a main feature of India's political-military modus operandi.

While the need to avoid reckless loss of human life is self-evident, there was enthusiastic backing for offensive operations all over the country, even if military casualties were inevitable. A huge majority of Indians lent full support to the war. We wanted an unequivocal victory and were ready to pay a high price for achieving it.

What are the things we have achieved instead?

1) We have provided Porkis with an insight as to their weaknesses and chinks in the armor, allowing them to plug those potholes and be better prepared for skirmishes next time, which consequently won't be a cakewalk for us like this time.

2) We have allowed Amrika and Orange Man to put his personal stamp on this ceasefire, which means if we try to contravene it, it will result in embarrassment for the Orange Man, who will then punish us definitely because now his name is on the paper.

3) We have brought the average Indian's sentiment (who normally is a materialistic sheep) to a fever pitch only to douse them with cold water. This, in turn, ensures that the next time, momentum like this in the civilian front will be hard to generate. By default, Indians are materialistic and passive, and it will be hard to generate this war fervour in them again, and not them simply dismissing it as "Arre last time bhi yeh sab hua tha phir ceasefire ho gaya, abhi bhi wahi hoga, no danger of war"

4) This "any act of terror = act of war" I'm not able to buy at all. I refuse to believe that a terror attack with 5 casualties in the future will result in a declaration of war when a terror attack of 30+ casualties ended with a ceasefire decided within 1 hour of Porkies begging us. This was even proved yesterday when the Babus provided cover and shield for Porkies by denying their hand in attacks at Jammu and Vaishno Devi, clearly visible to anyone.

5) After having, at face value, accepted Porkies' word of a ceasefire, even if we do decide to claim later that Porkies have violated ceasefire and therefore we shall resume offensive operations, we open the door to the West's calls for investigations and false flags, because it will simply be seen as trigger-happy itching from us at abandoning a ceasefire we so recently agreed to.

6) We have shown the Baloch and Pashtuns AGAIN, maybe for the hundredth time that we are not reliable allies. Any Pakistani separatist movement which expects our backing and help can now safely conclude that they shall be abandoned by us at the drop of a hat.

7) Also, this is a massive, MASSIVE blow to the ambitions for retaking PoK. I'm not even sure if retaking PoK is a goal or aim for this current disposition at all now. If the present scenario with all its terror attacks and strikes on cities and strategic advantages wasn't enough to demand some major concessions, what exactly is the condition or criteria for taking back PoK. How many more cuts does Porkistan have to open for us to want PoK back. Is PoK even a target anymore or is it full on Ekanami and Wusswaguru shit from now? If it's not, then that's just another major example of us abandoning even a semblance of rightful historical and national claims.

Unfortunately, India's political and Babu leadership has no clear concept of what victory over Pakistan entails. It wasted an important opportunity to settle scores and enhance our deterrence.

And the problem is India cannot afford such failures. Hopefully, Indian leadership will be better prepared with appropriate military and diplomatic strategies for attaining a clearly-defined victory in the next round, whenever that happens. If that happens.

Tl;dr: Nothing ever happens. It's so over. "We are tired of winning":facepalm4::facepalm4::facepalm4:
Military power doesn't exist in vacuum, usa seems so fearless and powerful because they are surrounded by oceans from two sides and weak neighbour from other two. India has a rabid dog with nukes in west and a world's second strongest country in north, our circumstances are completely different.

Even usa grew to be superpower, precisely because european powers weakened themselves with ww1 and ww2. USA's rise is a one of kind event in history.
 
I'll advice you all to leave things as they are.

It's a Sunday, go hug your family, get a drink or read books or whatever. Put these things out of your mind.

Do things that you can. No sense in worrying about things out of your control.

Be with your family and loved ones. Nobody knows when it can be our last day with drones and missiles and our own government denying it. Neither the foreign settled children of babus, nor the foreign settled forum members have the same worries.

Be with people who love you. Don't waste time debating who sold you. Try to face death with calmness when GoI brokered peaceful ceasefire compliant drones come for you.
 

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