P 17B Next Generation Frigates

[Fatalis]

That's almost a given. What I'm interested in now is what radars these babies gonna get since the MF STAR was supposedly put into that no import list or whatever.

My thoughts:

P-17A ships will carry MFSTAR.
NGC will also carry MFSTAR.
Talwar and Shiwalik will carry MFSTAR-RA.

So high chances are that P-17B will also get MFSTAR. Even though it is in negative import list but now it has become an offering from BEL through screwdriver giri.

NGD and NGD will be the one with a desi LRMFR derivative.

@Adm_Kenobi your thoughts?

 

[Bleh]

Everyone, if Navy wants a 8000-Ton ship with 30knots propulsion then they have to use CODLAG propulsion which is costlier with LM2500+ at 30MW and a 8MW or 10MW MAN Diesel Engines. It requires a complicated gearbox set. Either that or 4x LM2500 25MW in COGAG propulsion.
If they want to keep their current propulsion of CODOG in Nilgiri Class, then if they increase the ship tonnage to 8000 Tons, the max speed gonna suffer and will likely be at some 27 knots.

That's my point... Can we afford 1 billion for 8 destroyer class "frigate" ships with CODLAG? When we need several dozens ASAP. Is the bang for buck enough?

Remember, European nations will make 5-6 & US is also a military with a nation.

But we need 20-30 big ships above 7500t including DDG & P-15A/B... We could have a near hundred mid-sized workhorses.

I think we shouldn't club P-17B with Next Generation Frigates. They will come after the Next Generation Destroyers. P-17B will most probably be a continuation of P-17 inspired hull and design so not a next generation.

This may be correct. P-17B may be a Nilgiri+ ship. I need my comment on this article, but it may be inaccurate.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rafalem-acquisition-to-clear-final-hurdle-at-dac-today-101725330692126.html

 

[Adm_Kenobi]

My thoughts:

P-17A ships will carry MFSTAR.
NGC will also carry MFSTAR.
Talwar and Shiwalik will carry MFSTAR-RA.

So high chances are that P-17B will also get MFSTAR. Even though it is in negative import list but now it has become an offering from BEL through screwdriver giri.

NGD and NGD will be the one with a desi LRMFR derivative.

@Adm_Kenobi your thoughts?

NGC we'll know soon enough.
The RFP for P17B is expected to be released next year, a year from that for contract signing and another 1-2 years for the keel.
That's ~2028 for keel, 6m SBR will be ready before that.

Files for P17/Talwar upgrade haven't moved, RA is way too small to be of any use on a frigate.

 

[Bleh]

That's my point... Can we afford 1 billion for 8 destroyer class "frigate" ships with CODLAG? When we need several dozens ASAP. Is the bang for buck enough?
Remember, European nations will make only 5-6 & US is also a military with a nation. They can afford shit like that.

But we may need 20-30 big warships above 7500t including DDG & P-15A/B... We could afford about 50 mid-sized workhorses with 6500t frigates, 4000t Corvettes & 2500t armed NGOPVs, 1000t NGMVs, ASWSWCs, MCMVs etc. to dominate whole IOR.

To make my point better...

 

[Adm_Kenobi]

But we may need 20-30 big warships above 7500t including DDG & P-15A/B... We could afford about 50 mid-sized workhorses with 6500t frigates, 4000t Corvettes & 2500t armed NGOPVs, 1000t NGMVs, ASWSWCs, MCMVs etc. to dominate whole IOR.

To make my point better...
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P17B will be in the 'big' category with their long legs and upcoming AAW compliment.

'Big' -
8 NGD
X NGF
7 P15A/B
7 P17B

That fills 22+X slots in '20-30 big' category.

Mid - small -
7 P17A
3 P17
8 NGC
10 Talwar
6 NGMV
16 ASW SWC

That fills 50 of the 50 slots in your 'mid-sized' workhorse.

Everything (NGOPV, MCMV) need not be armed with missiles. They are peacetime (OPVs) and complimentary (MCMV) vessels, IN is saving thousands of crore by not equipping them with missiles, FCR, launchers.

 

[Blood+]

P17B will be in the 'big' category with their long legs and upcoming AAW compliment.

'Big' -
8 NGD
X NGF
7 P15A/B
7 P17B

That fills 22+X slots in '20-30 big' category.

Mid - small -
7 P17A
3 P17
8 NGC
10 Talwar
6 NGMV
16 ASW SWC

That fills 50 of the 50 slots in your 'mid-sized' workhorse.

Everything (NGOPV, MCMV) need not be armed with missiles. They are peacetime (OPVs) and complimentary (MCMV) vessels, IN is saving thousands of crore by not equipping them with missiles, FCR, launchers.

You need to keep those 16 ASW ASCs out of that list.

 

[Bleh]

P17B will be in the 'big' category with their long legs and upcoming AAW compliment.

'Big' -
8 NGD
X NGF
7 P15A/B
7 P17B

That fills 22+X slots in '20-30 big' category.

Mid - small -
7 P17A
3 P17
8 NGC
10 Talwar
6 NGMV
16 ASW SWC

That fills 50 of the 50 slots in your 'mid-sized' workhorse.

Not really. I've also made that count. that's make 30-max big ships, with all the 17 Delhi, Rajput, Brahmaputra, Veer, Abhay class leaving.

That leaves 34 more smaller ones with any strike capability, excluding the 16 ASWSWC & 11+6 new opvs which are basically 33 dud ships. Now 17 is not a small number! These are not Coast Guard vessels!
They're proper long-ranged 2000t ships & will get ripped apart by AShM carrying 600t class Durjoy Class Patrol Crafts of Bangladesh or Azmat Class Cutters of Pakistan.

Compare it's size, a Corvette sized ship...too large to be with only gun&gatling.

It'd be very simple to install a 2-3 BrahMos or SMART of our truck-mounted launchers.


And it's not like we need BrahMos on every vessel. Our coastal defence would be much bolstered with simpler loitering-munitions launchers on arses of the 7 NGFAC to deal with lesser threats along the coast...
...or even some smaller NASM-MR in rotatable launchers on our 17 OPV turned Patrol cutters.

And lastly ofcourse the option of Dhanush ballistic missiles will give our light boats a long-arm to strike less defended static targets asking the Paki coast from afar in hit&run. Even their capability to do so will be a good deterrent & morale degrader to make Paki Navy wary.