Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

officewarrior said:
The main reason why paf pulled swift retort was because presence of erieye awacs and their strongest weapon french made dassault falcon electronic warfare jet. Falcon was able to jam the comms and radars of indian jets and their awacs were able to guide their amraams to our su 30mki and mig 21 we do not know what changes they have made to their electronic warfare equipments and how good they are but taking them lightly will be a mistake.

PAf has also introduced loitering munitions and they do have full support of turkish drones which are well known to be best in class. Their turkish drones can run havok on indian sam systems as seen in russo ukraine war so it can also be not taken lightly.

They have also introduced pl15 to their jf17 fleet which gives them ability to strike indian jets from well inside paf airspace but this is not a major ability as bvr missiles are seldom powerfull to strike at their max ranges.

I have no doubt that on paper indian air force looks way stronger then paf but taking your enemy lightly is a death sentence .
Overall indian air force should get the air superiority over paf if all assets are used properly and every scenario is thought of.
S 400 AND rafales are very important assets.
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Lol no Erieye could operate with impunity because we at that time lacked any long range air denial capability like S400.. remember Paxtan lacks strategic depth so erieye can't operate anywhere near border.. now we have long range 40N6E sam (400km) to target or harras erieye operating range. To avoid S-400 engagement zones..the Erieye may need to orbit deeper within Pakistani airspace..potentially beyond 200–250 km from the border. This reduces its radar coverage over Indian airspace, limiting its ability to detect IAF assets like Rafale or Su-30 MKI fighters, which can exploit terrain masking or low-altitude ingres..

Now coming to D20 falcon ur analysis is flawed.. it's an comm jam aircraft nd it doesn't possess any radar jamming capabilities like AESA equipped DRFM.. lol it's an 80 era technology.. it could jam our coms cause we lacked any SDR capabilities. Don't confuse RADAR JAMMING to Comm jamming both are entirely different tech.. with RADAR Jamming being more advanced & PAF currently lacks any radar jamming capabilities on their air vectors. They only hv rudimentary DRFM which lacks any AESA equipped directional jamming which we have with our rafale spectra.


Now coming to PL15 it's weight is 210 kg nd dia is 203 mm which makes it's heavier nd less maneuverable as compared to meteor which weighs 190 kg nd with dia 178mm.. also Pl15 lacks in nez due to its lower terminal speed while meteor with its SFDR is powered all throughout nd will have more energy during it's end game..

Also to add PAF jf17 radar is air cooled AESA which will further degrade it's long range detection nd tracking when in continuous use.

& Again u didn't even read about IAF & indian army swarm drones capabilities.. PAF can have loitering munitions but it lacks any swarm drones capabilities which is the creme de la creme of our tactical drones capabilities. Loitering munitions are good but paf lacks on the scale nd numbers of which we currently have. We have domestic manufacturing when compared to paxtan non existent industrial capacity as it depends on Turkish nd chinese knock offs.

India and Pakistan’s Development of Drones: Implications for Strategic Stability

Drones in South Asia pose the risk of intensifying an arms race between India and Pakistan, impacting regional stability and deterrence.
southasianvoices.org southasianvoices.org

Veda Aeronautics Begins Delivery of Sureshastra Mk1 to Indian Air Force – Indian Defence Research Wing

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Adibot said:
must be hit hard
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Must be !
But have we?

For all it's worth the involvement of Pakistani army is only recognized by Indian jingo crowd.
Even our diplomats refer to sponsors of terrorist as Pakistan establishment, Pakistan government, Pakistan state.

No one in the government from our side had ever mentioned Pak military as sponsor or enablers thus keeping target off their back.

A red line we haven't crossed since Kargil.

Don't get disappointed when the target of operation isn't Pak military.
 
Gslv Mk3 said:
Lmao, wut?
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Lol PAF lacks any swarm drones technology nd their loitering munitions capabilities is also limited in scale nd quality which we currently have in our arsenal

Just to put things in perspective Indian armed forces hv brought 2000-2500 drones in last few years of various kinds and ranges..

We have absolute dominance in drone warfare.

India and Pakistan’s Development of Drones: Implications for Strategic Stability

Drones in South Asia pose the risk of intensifying an arms race between India and Pakistan, impacting regional stability and deterrence.
southasianvoices.org southasianvoices.org
 
Suryavanshi said:
Must be !
But have we?

For all it's worth the involvement of Pakistani army is only recognized by Indian jingo crowd.
Even our diplomats refer to sponsors of terrorist as Pakistan establishment, Pakistan government, Pakistan state.

No one in the government from our side had ever mentioned Pak military as sponsor or enablers thus keeping target off their back.

A red line we haven't crossed since Kargil.

Don't get disappointed when the target of operation isn't Pak military.
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If would be very disappointed that even after such a massive escalation and direct link to this attack Pakistani forces are spared
They need to be humbled and defanged
 
officewarrior said:
Drdo has a proven anti drone laser system of 30 watt i think more powerfull laser system are in testing phase so yes we should be prepared.
Akash teer system is also deployed.
WE also have aa guns still deployed in our air bases which are radar operated something like ciws system so they are also cost effective solution.
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I think the Israelis during the Iran airstrikes(Days of Repentance) attacked with drones leading the strike package, followed by some 80 something fighters.

So in my limited knowledge, if we go the Israeli route, the goal would be to make all of their SAMs bite on our expendable drones which too would be leading the pack(that is if this tactic is even used and not a quick close-to-NOE flight, rise, drop payload over targets and exfiltrate our fighters) and otoh when pakis retaliate, we would have to either not bite on their drones or have enough SAM, EW and laser systems to eviscerate all paki drones and fighter aircrafts.
 
Adibot said:
This is exactly what I want to see
Our covert units should always be ready to dismember pakis
What I am scared of is the readiness of IB to deal with internal and kangladesh threat
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I think that's why it is taking time to get ready on every front possible. Otherwise Indian Armed Forces takes only 72hours for posturing on IB. May be exercises are also the reasons taking it long. But We need to supply more heavy weapons to BLA and Taliban on emergency basis. That's where We need to hit this time. PORKs will sift their 90℅ Forces to Indian border in war time. This will the time when We open an extra front.
 
Modi had Mann Ki Baat this morning. Spoke in relaxed monotonous voice with no passion, the same words like the Bihar and twitter speech. Spoke for a few minutes about Pahalgam and moved onto other useless stuff.

Any strikes I feel will be just for PR management again, no strategic or deterrence value. The leaders don't simply have a stomach for fight. They will focus on economic growth while Pakistan comes and slaughters us at will.
 
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Cyclops said:
I think the Israelis during the Iran airstrikes(Days of Repentance) attacked with drones leading the strike package, followed by some 80 something fighters.

So in my limited knowledge, if we go the Israeli route, the goal would be to make all of their SAMs bite on our expendable drones which too would be leading the pack(that is if this tactic is even used and not a quick close-to-NOE flight, rise, drop payload over targets and exfiltrate our fighters) and otoh when pakis retaliate, we would have to either not bite on their drones or have enough SAM, EW and laser systems to eviscerate all paki drones and fighter aircrafts.
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We don't need to bite all their sams to our expandables

We possess swarm drones as well as ALBMs capabilities which paxtan currently lacks.

Israeli employed ROCKS ALBM effectively to destroy IRANs S300 air defense.

But isreal operation was more complicated as iran is far away from isreal so they couldn't employ any swarm drones at those long ranges.

While in our scenario we can employ both swarm drones as well as ALBMs ( rocks nd air lora) to destroy PAF air defense units as range fatigue is not here in our case.

Rocks ALBM has a CEP of 3m in gps denied environment perfect to target tactical nd strategic ADS.

www.twz.com

Israeli Strikes Knocked Out All Of Iran’s S-300 Air Defense Systems: Officials

The apparent destruction of the last three Iranian S-300s would pave the way for expanded Israeli airstrikes. The apparent destruction of the last three Iranian long-range S-300 systems would help pave the way for more Israeli airstrikes.
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Suryavanshi said:
Must be !
But have we?

For all it's worth the involvement of Pakistani army is only recognized by Indian jingo crowd.
Even our diplomats refer to sponsors of terrorist as Pakistan establishment, Pakistan government, Pakistan state.

No one in the government from our side had ever mentioned Pak military as sponsor or enablers thus keeping target off their back.

A red line we haven't crossed since Kargil.

Don't get disappointed when the target of operation isn't Pak military.
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India has paused the IWT. Canceled the paki visas. India has taken actions against the whole state of Pakistan. Still We need the words from GOI who is responsible? India need to blame whole of Pakistan, not just their street gunda army. That's what India did in recent actions.
 
ThE BrOkEn HeArT said:
India just need to control their Nukes with the help of US and Israel or may be Russia. The rest is easy cake walk for Indian Armed forces.
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Jernails ke bacche biwi amreika me hai bohat kuch ho sakt hai. Also optics of it, first time after 1945, it was islamic country who used nukes, setting bad example for islam "religion of peace/nukes)"
 
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