Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

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shade2 said:
Nice modiji, you have hacked Azaad's account and also copied his writing style
But real id se aao
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spikey360 said:
Has your account been hacked or is it your sarcasm?
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Neither. When Modi didn't escalate in 2019 beyond a point , a few months before the general elections what makes you guys think he'd do so now ?

Those arguing things didn't go according to plan then thanks to Abhinandan getting captured & so on , don't take into account that even back then there was this realisation we couldn't impose our will on Islamabad the way we would've liked.

You could put it down to lack of PROPER war fighting abilities of our armed forces or to the fact that Modi's just not in the Churchill mould of leader ( he isn't exactly in the Nehruvian mould too ) as people here think who'd go in for broke or the fact that our security managers have decided the matrix of escalation which eschews war until it's imposed on us , irrespective the party in government meaning all governments operate ONLY within bounds of those parameters.

Hence I didn't buy all that Qatl ki Raat BS . No leader worth his salt will give in to demands we get our man & that too a single pilot out at any cost if he's determined to make an example of the enemy.

For perspective witness how clinically Israel demolished its enemies in the ME & how Satanyahu took decisive action. Arguably the scene there is different & so too the nature of the enemy but that's what a determined leadership backed by a well prepared armed forces & intelligence network are capable of . Then there's us.

Don't get your hopes too high. You won't be too disappointed. Modi ke khane ke daanth alag hain aur dikhane ke alag & I don't mean this in a positive sense. This is 11 years of seeing him in office speaking.
 
Azaad said:
For what it's worth , GoI still hasn't implicated Paxtan nor have the terrorists claimed responsibility like in Pulwama . I know it's early days yet & not even 24 hrs from the incident but before we jump the gun , let's hear what the GoI has to say .

To that extent the GoI's hands are tied . No amount of intensifying covert support to the TTP or the Balochi Sarmachars or any amount of namaloom afraad strikes are going to cut it as retribution ought to be seen & be bloodier than what we've experienced.

Hence we'd see action. My only apprehension is we don't get sucked into a longer exchange than is necessary for a few reasons -

- Our primary enemy is still China & we're no where near building up our military power to take them on ~ 2030.

- the more we're distracted with Paxtan the more our modernisation / upgradation attempts get delayed.

- the state of the world economy being what it is , the more time we expend on extracting retribution the bigger the cost to the economy.

- The same guys yelling revenge here won't like it so much when costs of living goes up phenomenonaly or a short sharp war results in taxation rates being escalated.

- finally ,the same situation exists today vis a vis the IAF as we faced during Pulwama 2019 except for induction of 2 squadrons of Rafale. Not that the IA is good shape.

- we can't target civilians nor will we target Fauji Foundation nor should we as I'd explain. Paxtan is sinking ,no two opinions about it .

- Our getting into a short sharp war will no doubt accelerate that sinking but will do more damage to our economy & armed forces especially if we're due to go up against China later this decade.

- The analogy is the same as China getting into a war with India which spins beyond control thus affecting if not ruining their prospects of taking Taiwan which is their true objective & top most priority.

- there's a time for war & there's a time for peace , there's also a time for something in between. Today's not the time for war with Paxtan not till we've settled with China one way or another.

- Had the Chinese factor not hung over our heads like a sword , I'd have advocated we go hammer & tongs at Fauji Foundation including targeting their top brass.

- hence let Paxtan sink & take Fauji Foundation along with it . We shouldn't do anything to interrupt this flow. Take whatever action we think is necessary without getting sucked into a wider war & then back off.

- sometimes discretion is the better part of valour . Let's recognise the importance of this aphorism , take proportionate or rather disproportionately proportional response & be done with it. We've bigger fish to fry while we can watch the boat called Paxtan sinking.
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Exactly I have been saying same what if didn't end in our favour & keep on escalating we don't want war we will miss another opportunity.
If retaliation is must We should retaliate such that the end favours us. There are only two outcomes either it should favour us and it should favour none. In later one Pakis have nothing to loose but we do.
Satish Sharma Ji said:
As I always say for india economic growth is priority.
I see overall larger picture with china getting taxed to 250% many will be moving out to india. It's in no interest of china to see a stronger india and this is a golden opportunity to grasp.
The only reason as sjha said pak-chinkoms initiated this is to get india into a larger war and sabotage the overall growth chapter which could have started. They want us to get into war very badly that's there priority does that mean we shouldn't retaliate NO
We should but not such a way that it would instigate a larger war if they do instigate they we should go full blown onto them.

The most survivable way through this mess is a naval retaliatory strike on there ships which means we won't be targeting pakistani land sar zameen.
Sink multiple ships the parity between Indian Navy & pak navy is huge. And iaf can provide umbrella agains paf.
Strike there ships sink them. After which put a naval blockade and starve them & there economy.
Every here is taking abt retaliation no one's has idea abt end game how will this end ? We should try making it in our favour. For that it's must we don't incur losses be it of life, economic, infra etc etc.

If they retaliate ln full blown manner (multi domain)via missile on our land hit there critical infra destroy shipyards destroy those subs under construction destroy all ports except the gwadar. As I said earlier then we should go full blown as well after all they getting into position for full fledged war we cant keep the peace to preserve prosperity.

But at the end pakistan would have suffered much more and we would have also lost some years of development and prosperity.
Pakistan has nothing to loose if they loose 100x more still what damage our economic growth will face would be enormous and that's what china wants. The opportunities would have already flown to other countries by then.

We should retaliate not into paki land but straight away take out there ships we overpower them there.

Or the another much peacefull option would be begging with naval blockade without initiating any attack on pns and once they initiate we should too with keeping it limited to navy only. Preferably only ship should be target but as I said once they cross the line we should engage too. Beginning with naval infra ports and much stronger blockade for years to come.
This way we can ensure least damage to us.
Unless and until we don't face war at borders it should be fine.

They want escalation that's clear

No naval operation/blockade is much better choice if done peaceful preferably without launching missiles starving them would the best for us as we wouldn't suffer much losses. If any misadventures done by them we should start taking down there ships.

Naval Blockade(if misadventures done)>sink pak ships(another misadventures done into our land)>take one ports>if they dont stop Go engage in multi domain (paf,pa) then go full blown.
@mist_consecutive what is you're take on this you're the only one who talked abt the end game of this matter. We should do our best to bring end in our favour it's not worth it even if we do 100x more damage compared to us. We shall keep this conflict away from borders. Unless untill they chooses not to

Completely agreed retaliation should only come from naval side with preferably naval blockade. Along with fighter support to them from iaf side.
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Satish Sharma Ji said:
I don't opposes retaliation but it should be calculated in proper manner and it should favour us at the end. It worthless even if we 100x more damage to them while suffering serious economic looses. That's what china wants.
See the larger image with supply chains moving out and Trump taxing everybody india becomes ideal choice for most of them. China would never want this to happen. This is china backed attack in order to bring india into a war.

I again say it we should must retaliate but in a calculated manner as sjha said even if we do or we don't it's win win for them.

Just dont be retard so many who never posted on this forum are coming up now saying I'm ready we should go full blown. Blud you have no idea the misery a full blown war bring especially for a country like India unless and until india doesn't achieve significant growth and becomes big enough economy we would always have chances of loosing industrialization train again. We loose many times.

Last two lines are very important.
Once we achieve significant growth let's say 10 trillions a war won't stop our further growth but today it will incur huge.
People are retard here with no idea whatsoever abt how this could end.
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Ya'll Nibbiars It's Started,

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MasterChief said:
You very well know that Pakistan will never sink "until it is made to sink".. All else is Khayali pulav
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Are you suggesting Paxtan today is in a much better shape than they were in 2019 & consequently they'd be in a much better shape in 2030 than today ? Evidently you also believe in wrestling with the pig then .
 
India has a strong justification. It would be good if things move in this direction.

"The attacks were being directed from POK. POK is Indian territory. Therefore, Indian forces moving into POK to eliminate terror sources is not an act of war. If Pakistan considers it an act of war and moves it forces, the burden of aggression will be on Pakistan."

What happens to POK politically is a different question than India moving its forces inside POK.
 
Azaad said:
Are you suggesting Paxtan today is in a much better shape than they were in 2019 & consequently they'd be in a much better shape in 2030 than today ? Evidently you also believe in wrestling with the pig then .
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They have nothing to lose
They also have a sugar daddy who has beef with us
Indians haven't seen war in a long timr
 
Azaad said:
Don't get your hopes too high. You won't be too disappointed. Modi ke khane ke daanth alag hain aur dikhane ke alag & I don't mean this in a positive sense. This is 11 years of seeing him in office speaking.
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I don't have any high hope for our 🐰iya leaderji who only sees things in terms of dhandho and economy.

national security, long term national defence strategy, preparedness and modernization of forces, generous defence budget is something to be put under the rug, or a can kicked down the road into the future.

When there is a provocation do some low effort drama to deceive the masses without any actual impact, on an ad-hoc basis because they never bothered to prepare previously.

Anyway Balakot shocked the piglets enough to keep the threshold low for the next 6 years, so it "worked" in that context, whether such theatrics of the same level will continue to work remain to be seen
 
Corvus Splendens said:
CNN portrays this as a random attack on a crowd by "gunmen". And not a carefully planned massacre of Hindus by islamist terrorists.
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Kick out of India all the news outlets that downplayed or trivialised the Pahalgam terror attack. Or who ignored it, or used standard, cliched, hackneyed, scripted language( i.e India which is predominantly Hindu, Pakistan denies the charge..tensions were heightened when the two countries conducted nuclear tests..India revoked autonomy of Kashmir in 2019...) Anything at all that conceals what this terror attack actually was. A targeted slaughter of Hindu civilian tourists.
 
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