Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

Azaad said:
It can provided you know what to target. Ideally we target Muridke or Bahawalpur & they'd retaliate. Entice them for an air war & take out a significant part of the air package. Rinse & repeat. Or do it to the PN.

Once you've determined that they've taken a substantial hit , withdraw & end the cease fire. Keep pounding them relentlessly for months at end without any let up & simultaneously crank up support to the TTP & the Balochi Sarmachars since we'd keep a substantial portion of their troops tied down across the LoC.

China can't intervene immediately as they've just concluded some sort of a truce with us plus Trump is busy phucking them royally so they've bigger fish to fry too .
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What you're suggesting is too muscular for our dhandho lovers.

Balakot was just the bombing of some shithole madarsa in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, no official PA sites were hit, nor any civilian establishments.
This is assuming the imported spice bombs from Israel dropped by imported French Mirages did their job.

I am utterly blackpilled and have no hope for even a Balakot type strike because there will be a clapback frok the PAF and our cowards don't want to 'escalate' further.
 
jaishrikrishna said:
I would say there is not much of an argument against India taking military route.

1. Economic growth is not a concern. If war happens, India will be much better positioned economically as an outcome of war.

2. The world is in our favor. Pak is isolated. Very few would support Pak. Even middle east countries would not support Pakistan much. The moral high ground route after 26/11 did not have much effect.

3. Game theory suggests that after negative strike by the opponent, the best strategy is to retaliate immediately.

4. Peace/ Aman ki Asha is really dead and buried. Pakistan is an ideological state driven by Hindu hatred. The only way to change its behavior is military punishment.

The immediate objectives would be:

1. Dismantle terrorist infra in POK.
2. Take POK under control.

Pakistan understands that it will not sustain in the long term but they can react comprehensively immediately. So, we chew that. Some losses here and there is fine in the beginning. We go for long term solution.

If things escalate to full war and Pak crosses IB, go for larger objectives

1. Denuclearize/ demilitarize Pakistan.
2. Make a few areas like Baluchistan and Sindh independent.
2. Establish a favorable Government in Pak Punjab and initiate a comprehensive deradicalization program lasting 20 years, overseen by a commissioner for Pakistan.
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Elaborate a bit
How would the current indian dhandho establishment do that
 
Satish Sharma Ji said:
But bringing entire nation into war would certainly not bring any supply chain in any other part of country.
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You seriously believe that India will start a war over 26 lives & put billions at stake? Considering today India is lacking in adequate jet numbers, warning systems & the economy is prospering at a good rate. It's not viable & benefitting. At best India will do some rogue proxy work or cancel some treaties. That's all. India is infested with more internal issues. Govt should weaken their infrastructure first, focus on reforms, solve internal disputes. We're not in a position to involve in a war.
Irrespective of issues we're always united against external threats, for the most parts, at a commoner level but that's not enough. There are some rogue political parties & Pakistan apologists living in the mainland of India weakening India's internal system. They won't stay silent. They will prioritise religion over the existence India. Govt isn't that stupid.
Those who thought that India will go to war over such incidents need a reality check.
 
shade2 said:
What you're suggesting is too muscular for our dhandho lovers.

Balakot was just the bombing of some shithole madarsa in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, no official PA sites were hit, nor any civilian establishments.
This is assuming the imported spice bombs from Israel dropped by imported French Mirages did their job.

I am utterly blackpilled and have no hope for even a Balakot type strike because there will be a clapback frok the PAF and our cowards don't want to 'escalate' further.
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Unfortunately Balakot type strike isn't going to cut it. It has to be something visible . Fauji Foundation has to be taken to the cleaners which is the reason I suggested our first task is to see we don't get sucked into a short sharp war coz all indications are we're headed for one . There're no easy options here.
 
Like some have already said here, best thing we can do right now is to give them a strike without committing too many resources (no boots on ground). We could disable their navy and take out their air assets, and then keep the LoC hot with artillery. We ourselves have a bigger guy to face on, we'll have to deal with porks anyways during that time. But wasting resources now means we'd be putting ourselves in a handicap in the future.

Burn the port, let them also fall from the skies. But if we go to a proper war now, we would be losing in the future against our primary foe
 
jaishrikrishna said:
I would say there is not much of an argument against India taking military route.

1. Economic growth is not a concern. If war happens, India will be much better positioned economically as an outcome of war.

2. The world is in our favor. Pak is isolated. Very few would support Pak. Even middle east countries would not support Pakistan much. The moral high ground route after 26/11 did not have much effect.

3. Game theory suggests that after negative strike by the opponent, the best strategy is to retaliate immediately.

4. Peace/ Aman ki Asha is really dead and buried. Pakistan is an ideological state driven by Hindu hatred. The only way to change its behavior is military punishment.

The immediate objectives would be:

1. Dismantle terrorist infra in POK.
2. Take POK under control.

Pakistan understands that it will not sustain in the long term but they can react comprehensively immediately. So, we chew that. Some losses here and there is fine in the beginning. We go for long term solution.

If things escalate to full war and Pak crosses IB, go for larger objectives

1. Denuclearize/ demilitarize Pakistan.
2. Make a few areas like Baluchistan and Sindh independent.
2. Establish a favorable Government in Pak Punjab and initiate a comprehensive deradicalization program lasting 20 years, overseen by a commissioner for Pakistan.
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Thank you for mentioning Game theory. We simulated so many different situations and often found the best strategies is to attack the enemy and not back down at all when it doesn't learn its lesson the first time. This is what Superpowers do actually.

Unfortunately India is a paper tiger, a vishwaguru only in imagination. After few days this will cool down. Some of terrorists will be caught, some shot. In the end as always, its the Jihadis who will always have the upper hand and be victorious.
 
MiketheInfantryman said:
Like some have already said here, best thing we can do right now is to give them a strike without committing too many resources (no boots on ground). We could disable their navy and take out their air assets, and then keep the LoC hot with artillery. We ourselves have a bigger guy to face on, we'll have to deal with porks anyways during that time. But wasting resources now means we'd be putting ourselves in a handicap in the future.

Burn the port, let them also fall from the skies. But if we go to a proper war now, we would be losing in the future against our primary foe
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Most guys here including yours truly want an overwhelming punitive strikes on their assets, jihadi, military, infra( port, oil storage ) and Fauji Foundation businesses.
Nobody wants boots on ground or retaking PoK or anything like that.
 
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shade2 said:
Most guys here including yours truly want an overwhelming punitive strikes on their assets, jihadi, military, infra( port, oil storage ) and Fauji Foundation businesses.
Nobody wants boots on ground or retaking PoK or anything like that.
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Nope, I am arguing for boots on ground, retaking POK, and getting sucked in a war. These strikes do not have much deterrent value.
 
shade2 said:
Most guys here including yours truly want an overwhelming punitive strikes on their assets, jihadi, military, infra( port, oil storage ) and Fauji Foundation businesses.
Nobody wants boots on ground or retaking PoK or anything like that.
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I want boots on the ground but their actions shouldn't go in vain we should make sure that POK is either burned to the ground or under our control, from there we can launch punitive strikes on them
 
bablu666 said:
Thank you for mentioning Game theory. We simulated so many different situations and often found the best strategies is to attack the enemy and not back down at all when it doesn't learn its lesson the first time. This is what Superpowers do actually.

Unfortunately India is a paper tiger, a vishwaguru only in imagination. After few days this will cool down. Some of terrorists will be caught, some shot. In the end as always, its the Jihadis who will always have the upper hand and be victorious.
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Yes, I mean this is basic in Game Theory. In an infinite game, tit for tat is the best. You react positive with positive and negative with negative. No strategy works better than that.
 
Well nothing better than taking POK few strategy points.It will be more than 400 sqkm of strategy location.How you can do is using superior firepower ,open the front 5 places with no boots on ground but using IBG and strike crops to carv out area of interest. Well not a good option to strike launchpads now as they already vacated and further pushed into pakistan.
 
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