Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[Ajayant Tripathi]

If you have been reading this thread then you would know we are not for all out war either. Forget about us even Porki scum cannot handle a full fledged war for a week. @Azaad @Ajayant Tripathi echo the same thing. Our big adversary is China. But this incident needs a response, a big response short of full fledged war and save our energies for the final battle. One day if China did invade Taiwan and other countries join in especially US, then obviously we too must join in to take out our bigger enemy down. Once Porki daddy China is gone their fate is sealed. Anyway, we are not decision makers. We are just angry citizens expecting our government to respond. How they respond is not up to us.

Exactly. Very well articulated.

 

[karn]

If you take even a sliver of Paxtani land , leave aside the costs of insurgency among the captive population you immediately redeem Fauji Foundation in the eyes of their countrymen & wash away all their sins & past.

In such circumstances , anywhere in the world , across the time space dynamic , the country rallies in favour of the leadership which initially however unpopular then harnesses this popular support towards its own ends .

Paxtan is imploding. We need to assist the forces enabling it from outside . Not enter into this quagmire to accomplish things by ourselves. That'd be a fatal blunder especially when we're faced with the unfinished business of China , an imploding Myanmar & now a BD determined to go down the same path .

Keep things simple . Target their war fighting machinery as opposed to their personnel or even senior Generals . Take out the assets of the PN & PAF . If , OTOH , you get lucky & manage fool proof intel on the presence of Hapig or Nosood for I'm Muslim Azhar ( though I'd be very doubtful of the chances of this happening ), take them out .

The suspension of IWT has already redeemed them . And make no mistake the anti faujis only wish to bring down the armys political power they are more than happy to continue things the way they are with respect to us.

 

[Sanglamorre]

1. DFI is a respected forum.

DFI doesn't exist anymore.

In my opinion, the best time to take revenge on Pakistan is during a Taiwan invasion—when China is fully distracted.

I'll tell you one good reason why retaliation cannot be postponed.
India is not a country borne out of post-Westphalian ideas. It does not exist in a EU-style landscape where you are exactly like your neighbours and the group identity is swappable with your individual identity. India is an idea that is far, far younger than Hinduism. India is an idea that tries to approximate Hinduism, but fails in many regards. Hindus have chosen to let this stand as long as major ideas of Hinduism are still approximated by the nation. The idea of India is young, that people don't really care whether India exists or succeeds, they want the land of their ancestors to exist and succeed, which is currently co-opted by an entity called India.

What that means is, Hindus have chosen to uphold their identity of Indians higher than their identity of Hindus as long as the state fulfills its basic contract with the citizens. Being killed because you are Hindu goes directly against that principle. People give their power to the state on the promise that violence on their behalf would be exercised by the state. If the state fails that, there is no use for such power to rest within them.

Ergo, India shouldn't exist if it cannot provide safety and retaliation for Hindus. It's success and existence is second to success and existence of Hindus. The people are aware of this contract. The state is aware of this. So it must visit violence in behalf of Hindus that let themselves be shackled by a secular country on the promise that they'd do so.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I hate these headlines. It makes us sound emasculated

Well we will never say "we started firing at Paki posts", so yeah, you will hear news like this.

Chinese forces are still there at LAC , artys , tanks , ifvs mbrls . if we attempt to take pok or army crosses ib or loc , they will start two front war.

more realistic scenario for us - we should retake peaks lost during kargil , especially pt 5353 , some other along the loc occupied since 1970s. permanent land loss for pak will teach them a lesson.

no fantasy , Chinese wont let pak fall . it will be a red line for them. just like north korea was a red line forcing Chinese to go to war against US.

fantasy is expecting indian army to cross IB or loc . lets just be realistic.

Do you think IA will cross LoC / IB ? I don't think so. There will be standoff, artillery strikes and air skirmishes with standoff munitions. Even that I am reaching the ceiling of what we can expect.

Regarding China, max they will do is create some roads 500m forward and call it a day. Nothing will give America stronger orgasm than China getting its feet stuck in the muck of Himalayas where there is infinite potential for attrition war.

Fighting a country with the largest number of military-aged population, decent & growing industrial capacity, highly patriotic citizens versus an aging country with falling TFR rate over what ? Some dusty mountains ?

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Lmao

Go home kid u are drunk..

Spewing expletives and calling me hothead lol..

What's ur age bdw.. leave defence forum nd go watch cartoon network

The amount of diatribe u blabbered shows u know nothing about warfare

LOL.

It seems you are very experienced in warfare. Please please you god of war teach me those moves. LOL>

 

[brat4]

too many circle jerk posts going on between newly spawned accounts and some sleeper accounts here.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Well we will never say "we started firing at Paki posts", so yeah, you will hear news like this.





Do you think IA will cross LoC / IB ? I don't think so. There will be standoff, artillery strikes and air skirmishes with standoff munitions. Even that I am reaching the ceiling of what we can expect.

Regarding China, max they will do is create some roads 500m forward and call it a day. Nothing will give America stronger orgasm than China getting its feed stuck in the muck of Himalayas where there is infinite potential for attrition war.

Fighting a country with the largest number of military-aged population, decent & growing industrial capacity, highly patriotic citizens versus an aging country with falling TFR rate over what ? Some dusty mountains ?

LOL! The Nehru dialog. Not even a blade of grass grow there.

 

[mist_consecutive]

First we don't have jet engines to name the least.

Desi product fetishers need to be reminded during these time, that while creating every atom of defence supply chain indigenously is definitely good (but unsustainable), imported weapon can and do win wars.

We dissected Pakistan into Bangladesh with one of the biggest imported weapon stock. Israel consistently tamed every Arab country with imported weapons. Ukraine fended off Russian assault with imported weapons.

 

[MasterChief]

China holds ZERO water leverage on us!


This is what Brahmaputra (Siang) looks like in Arunachal...View attachment 31939

This is what it looks like where it enter the plains of Assam after been fed by a hundred stand from all directions.
View attachment 31940

Yes.. Chinese cannot cause any droughts in India, by holding the Brahmaputra.. But, what they can cause in floods, during war time or during tensions, by suddenly releasing water.. Hence, GOI is rightly considering building mammoth hydro projects of its own in Arunachal Pradesh

 

[mist_consecutive]

View: https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1916110531313996293

Man the signals are all downhill

 

[mist_consecutive]

View: https://x.com/Resonant_News/status/1916093419790782589

Aukaat

 

[fire starter]

Lol.

 

[mist_consecutive]

View: https://x.com/FromGursimran/status/1915985545395900448

2 Corps which is responsible for offensive element on Punjab border is mobilised it seems.

 

[MasterChief]

Desi product fetishers need to be reminded during these time, that while creating every atom of defence supply chain indigenously is definitely good (but unsustainable), imported weapon can and do win wars.

We dissected Pakistan into Bangladesh with one of the biggest imported weapon stock. Israel consistently tamed every Arab country with imported weapons. Ukraine fended off Russian assault with imported weapons.

Another reason we have import maal, is that it gives us surge capacity during war, in case we need a few more fighter aircraft we can get Rafale or Su-30 or spares from our foreign partners.. also if say HAL facilities get bombed

 

[Azaad]

The suspension of IWT has already redeemed them . And make no mistake the anti faujis only wish to bring down the armys political power they are more than happy to continue things the way they are with respect to us.

No , the suspension of the IWT didn't redeem them , the fact that Fauji Foundation cancelled or at any rate suspended the Green Pakistan Initiative has to some extent brought them a breather & defused what could potentially become an explosive situation.

So in essence , that's one chip we've lost . But that's in the nature of the game . By keeping the IWT in abeyance we've served them notice. The downside is even if we're not curbing the flow of the Indus Water System to Paxtan now , Fauji Foundation already has a ready made excuse blaming it on India. They've been doing so in the past too just that they'd sound much more credible now.

However we're water stressed too & the situation is poised to get worse in the future. We need those waters for our people as well. If not now , we'd have abrogated or at any rate suspended or kept this treaty in abeyance some time in the future .

What I'm trying to point out is whichever way you look at it , conflict with Paxtan is inevitable. However how we go about it & what we do to control the initiative is in our hands. This has to be balanced with a growing economy .

Let's not get caught up in something which we can't control & derail everything we've worked so hard to build up . Of course this is easier said than done especially in times & a situation like this .

 

[MasterChief]

If its about permanently degrading a potential peer for long time. Than yes it will donate enough to keep india engaged.
Just like how USA donated to UKR enough to degrade Russia permanently.

Russians have military technology sovereignity. We don't, thats the difference. We can also run out of supplies. Our Army is imported army too. Don't forget it. Maybe not to the extent of Porkis but to an extent its reality.

Don't spam.. How will any country donate anything to Pakistan during a war ? Through water ? Through China Pok border ? We have both covered.. Pakistan will never be able to outlast India in an attrition war..

 

[Adibot]

Don't spam.. How will any country donate anything to Pakistan during a war ? Through water, through China Pok border ? We have both covered.. Pakistan will never be able to outlast India in an attrition war..

Question is that
Is there even gonna be any war

 

[Adibot]

DFI doesn't exist anymore.

I'll tell you one good reason why retaliation cannot be postponed.
India is not a country borne out of post-Westphalian ideas. It does not exist in a EU-style landscape where you are exactly like your neighbours and the group identity is swappable with your individual identity. India is an idea that is far, far younger than Hinduism. India is an idea that tries to approximate Hinduism, but fails in many regards. Hindus have chosen to let this stand as long as major ideas of Hinduism are still approximated by the nation. The idea of India is young, that people don't really care whether India exists or succeeds, they want the land of their ancestors to exist and succeed, which is currently co-opted by an entity called India.

What that means is, Hindus have chosen to uphold their identity of Indians higher than their identity of Hindus as long as the state fulfills its basic contract with the citizens. Being killed because you are Hindu goes directly against that principle. People give their power to the state on the promise that violence on their behalf would be exercised by the state. If the state fails that, there is no use for such power to rest within them.

Ergo, India shouldn't exist if it cannot provide safety and retaliation for Hindus. It's success and existence is second to success and existence of Hindus. The people are aware of this contract. The state is aware of this. So it must visit violence in behalf of Hindus that let themselves be shackled by a secular country on the promise that they'd do so.

Indian government won't be able to protect hindus till they become like Muslims

 

[Gandaberunda]

What we have to do is deploy army to every forward base and at boarder make Pakistanis sweat for months hassling tire them out. The tension should be upped to the extreme level that every night they have to fear of attack. Putin did same deployed troops at border and then one day boom breached the fence..
Even Chinese got tired of our mirror deployment in Himalayas and finally agreed to dis engagement.

 

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1916099000119558648/photo/1