Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[silentassassin265]

India vs. Pakistan Military Strength: A Detailed Analysis of Army, Navy and Air Force

This analysis compares the armed forces (army, navy, and air force) of India and Pakistan, examining their respective capabilities and strategic advantages.

www.jagranjosh.com

India vs Pakistan Military Strength: Land Power​

When we look at land power, India has more tanks and armoured vehicles than Pakistan. India has 4,201 tanks, while Pakistan has 2,627. India also has a lot more armoured vehicles (148,594) compared to Pakistan (17,516).
However, Pakistan has more self-propelled artillery (662) and mobile rocket projectors (600) than India, which has 100 and 264, respectively.
India does have more towed artillery guns (3,975) than Pakistan (2,629). So, while India has more of some ground weapons, Pakistan has more of others.

Weapon Type	India	Pakistan
Tank Strength	4,201	2,627
Armored Vehicles	148,594	17,516
Self-Propelled Artillery	100	662
Towed Artillery	3,975	2,629
Mobile Rocket Projectors	264	600

we have focused to heavily on armor, while many are moving away from armor to air UAV's and attack helicopters. Kickbacks from russians are clearly visible.

Towed artillery will even be worse in case of drone warfare, all the artillery of Armenia was destroyed by drone

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/naomi2009/status/1916911764450521227?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/sreemoytalukdar/status/1916947615662461392?s=19

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/dwaipayan_V5/status/1916493029281608026?s=19

Jab jung hoga toh do tunde langde ka jung hoga , BC!!

 

[Rango]

 

[Viper316]

As usual they provoked we responded.. beating the empty barrel till now nothing substantial, last night more sectors. scope and no of posts firing increased by pak. why is govt so reluctant to hit hard


View: https://x.com/sneheshphilip/status/1917025612134551686?t=q7GoX080hSHV47VTx1CWJw&s=19

 

[maximus777]

As usual they provoked we responded.. beating the empty barrel till now nothing substantial, last night more sectors. scope and no of posts firing increased by pak. why is govt so reluctant to hit hard


View: https://x.com/sneheshphilip/status/1917025612134551686?t=q7GoX080hSHV47VTx1CWJw&s=19

Can we provoke for a change?!?! Maybe "violate" the "sanctity" of the LOC or IB for some fun.

 

[TringTringMonster]

Can we provoke for a change?!?! Maybe "violate" the "sanctity" of the LOC or IB for some fun.

I feel we can't openly admit we violated LoC and Pakis.

Moreover, if the no of sectors and posts are increasing then horizontal escalation is happening. And we are steadily increasing the caliber of guns then vertical escalation is also happening.

 

[brat4]

Can we provoke for a change?!?! Maybe "violate" the "sanctity" of the LOC or IB for some fun.

the cycle of "they provked and hence we retaliated" has so many loops at this point.. even if we "provoke" it will be because we are retaliating for something from sunday morning of 2012.

 

[Psacha123]

View: https://x.com/newsarenaindia/status/1917032106372567095?s=46

 

[TringTringMonster]

View: https://x.com/newsarenaindia/status/1917032106372567095?s=46

Also shut it's waters? Did this happen in 2019? I don't remember it being happening.

 

[Rango]

View: https://x.com/cyalm/status/1916948118098350156

View: https://x.com/yusufpore/status/1916718821114839309

 

[maximus777]

I feel we can't openly admit we violated LoC and Pakis.

Moreover, if the no of sectors and posts are increasing then horizontal escalation is happening. And we are steadily increasing the caliber of guns then vertical escalation is also happening.

I think we shouldnt feel guitly about provoking after they shot our citizens at point blank. If we don't admit to violating the Pakis now, then we lose the perception game.

Also I don't believe in steady escalation of firepower from LMG/MMG to higher calibers. Any fire from them should result in 155mm from our side and let's see how long they would like to play that game. There is no need to be gentlemanly about it.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

I don't understand this unnecessary jingoism going on around this. Even ex-military personnel are shouting like the dogs of war that Pakistan wants to portray us as. The real strategists are calm and collected. Even on this thread, people need to understand that the only viable way to destroy a country from its roots is to rot its economy into oblivion. We've seen the US try and do a military takeover and what the consequences have been. We are the people of Kautilya. The steps that have been taken till now will choke Pakistan in the next 10 years if they don't fix themselves. Then they won't have even the most basic natural resources. That's the real game here. And there will be substantial kinetic action, possibly to take back PoK, and done in a way that dwarfs whatever Pakistan can retaliate with so that the Pakistani terror apparatus is shamed and essentially rendered crippled, both in terms of public support and capability. And something of this nature has to be a very calibrated military action. The nuclear deterrent always has to be kept in mind. We, in our jingoism assume that Paki warheads in Chinese missiles are worthless but military strategists cannot afford that luxury.

Very well said. Disintegrating pakistan should be our objective and it will take a co-ordinated consistent persistence over a long perioid. A head to head war may be short but it also is harmful to us. If we play with their supply lines, shrink their supplies, the pakistan state will crumble under its own weight.

Whent the state crumbles into smaller countries we can piece by piece extend our geographical boundaries to the Indus.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

India vs. Pakistan Military Strength: A Detailed Analysis of Army, Navy and Air Force

This analysis compares the armed forces (army, navy, and air force) of India and Pakistan, examining their respective capabilities and strategic advantages.

www.jagranjosh.com

India vs Pakistan Military Strength: Land Power​

When we look at land power, India has more tanks and armoured vehicles than Pakistan. India has 4,201 tanks, while Pakistan has 2,627. India also has a lot more armoured vehicles (148,594) compared to Pakistan (17,516).
However, Pakistan has more self-propelled artillery (662) and mobile rocket projectors (600) than India, which has 100 and 264, respectively.
India does have more towed artillery guns (3,975) than Pakistan (2,629). So, while India has more of some ground weapons, Pakistan has more of others.

Weapon Type	India	Pakistan
Tank Strength	4,201	2,627
Armored Vehicles	148,594	17,516
Self-Propelled Artillery	100	662
Towed Artillery	3,975	2,629
Mobile Rocket Projectors	264	600

we have focused to heavily on armor, while many are moving away from armor to air UAV's and attack helicopters. Kickbacks from russians are clearly visible.

As the data shows we may have slight edge over pakistan but remember we have long border than pakistan and we will need to station over assets on border with China too.

So, The effective firepower available to us to reign in Pakistan in some sectors is actually at negative with respect to Pakistan.

Some jingo just look up numbers and go frog without understanding their is a chain tied around our neck with the chinese pole.

 

[Cheepek]

Good breakthrough

Pahalgam massacre: Pakistani terrorist former para commando, says probe | India News - The Times of India

India News: Investigations reveal Hashim Musa, the Pakistani terrorist behind the Pahalgam massacre, is a former para commando from Pakistan's special forces. Sou

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[brat4]

As the data shows we may have slight edge over pakistan but remember we have long border than pakistan and we will need to station over assets on border with China too.

So, The effective firepower available to us to reign in Pakistan in some sectors is actually at negative with respect to Pakistan.

Some jingo just look up numbers and go frog without understanding their is a chain tied around our neck with the chinese pole.

likewise pak has disturbed borders with afg, iran

heck they have disturbed interioir with BLA, sindh

and they have 13 bill in the bank they need to sa guard cos the slightest hint of pak state failing MFers are gonna loot the bank and jet off to the nearest european nation.

 

[Roshan]

There is a larger geopolitical game brewing here. But the game doesn't predate the attack, rather, it is counting on India's retaliation to the attack. Remember, China has the BRO projects running through PoK that give China an alternative land route to a port (Karachi) in the event that the Strait of Malacca is blocked. Shutting down that major logistical pathway can pay massive strategic dividends to the US in a confrontation with China, which btw, is also brewing.
China certainly knows this, but in the current geopolitical climate, it is choosing to consolidate its economic interests rather than protect a Plan B.

We can take the Chinis into confidence if we guarantee them some sort of return on their investments. Whatever they blew on CPEC on several white elephant projects in Pak is just that and even they know it. It will take some more impressive diplomatic manoeuvering and leveraging on our part however to settle these long standing border disputes.

 

[Nibbler]

India vs. Pakistan Military Strength: A Detailed Analysis of Army, Navy and Air Force

This analysis compares the armed forces (army, navy, and air force) of India and Pakistan, examining their respective capabilities and strategic advantages.

www.jagranjosh.com

India vs Pakistan Military Strength: Land Power​

When we look at land power, India has more tanks and armoured vehicles than Pakistan. India has 4,201 tanks, while Pakistan has 2,627. India also has a lot more armoured vehicles (148,594) compared to Pakistan (17,516).
However, Pakistan has more self-propelled artillery (662) and mobile rocket projectors (600) than India, which has 100 and 264, respectively.
India does have more towed artillery guns (3,975) than Pakistan (2,629). So, while India has more of some ground weapons, Pakistan has more of others.

Weapon Type	India	Pakistan
Tank Strength	4,201	2,627
Armored Vehicles	148,594	17,516
Self-Propelled Artillery	100	662
Towed Artillery	3,975	2,629
Mobile Rocket Projectors	264	600

we have focused to heavily on armor, while many are moving away from armor to air UAV's and attack helicopters. Kickbacks from russians are clearly visible.

Embarrassing

Hopefully this episode drives change. Should be an order of magnitude higher than them on every thing.

 

[JConline]

We can take the Chinis into confidence if we guarantee them some sort of return on their investments. Whatever they blew on CPEC on several white elephant projects in Pak is just that and even they know it. It will take some more impressive diplomatic manoeuvering and leveraging on our part however to settle these long standing border disputes.

This is a bit a zero sum game with China at the moment. In geopolitics, you have to understand that the more powerful nation is always draws the most benefits from any bilateral agreement. If India can play it's cards right, we can actually manage to deal with China on equal grounds in the matter because China is at a disadvantage here.

 

[Tridev123]

An suggestion with specific relevance to Pakistan.
As per many sources Pakistan's capital city Islamabad/Rawalpindi is approximately 310 km by road from the Indian Punjab border.

Since GHQ Rawalpindi is the ultimate command centre for directing major terrorist attacks on India, why not have some useful leverage over those twin cities Islamabad & Rawalpindi.

Should we develop a ultra long range MBRL(obviously a guided rocket) of range max 350km.An 8 or even 12 tube device. Having quite heavy warhead possibly 200 - 300 kg.

Without even crossing the border the Pakistan Army headquarters can be bombarded.

A question arises.
Why develop an ultra long range MBRL when we have ballistic missiles of sufficient range which can hit Rawalpindi.

Because the impact of 8 to 12 rockets/missiles striking Pakistan's GHQ simultaneously is much greater. I believe the ISI headquarters is also in Islamabad.

Will not an bombing of the Pakistan Army headquarters lower the morale of its military.

I agree that the suggestion is debatable and not everyone will feel that an MBRL which can reach Pakistan's capital city needs to be developed.