Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[jaishrikrishna]

Indians have a very german mentality towards weaponry - something that sped up the demise of the Nazis - we are forever searching for a wunderwaffen that is gonna get like 30:1 kpd against the enemy and we can spend the least manpower for biggest wins ever.
This plan worked for germany to negate allied production superiority in early stages of ww2 but once Germany lost its airforce in Stalingrad and started its production being bombed the allies, the high end shit shouldve gone outta the window and they should've adopted the Russian principle of 'quantity is a quality of its own'

Its high time we learnt that lesson and so what if our MRCA is gonna be a dehati underpowered stealth jet with the worst stealthing of all 5th gen - build it, build a shit ton of it, like 500+ of it, induct it cheap cheap and work like China to get your numbers up, RIGHT NOW.
And then get to quality angle later.

Whats the worst thing is, our babus dont realize a SIMPLE axiom of industrial engineering : you CANNOT beat experience with degrees and genius and knowhow. Not possible in engineering : You cannot assemble the 300 best and brightest mechanical engineers in the world and ask them to build a more efficient engine than Honda.
Why ? Coz real life isnt books, you make shit, it doesnt work for some reason you never knew existed, you find it, you fix it, you repeat process for decades and you get newer generations.
Sure, with modern tech you can shorten the process somewhat- India doesnt need to wait 70 years for Caveri to work coz Rolls Royce had to wait 70 years for their 90Kn engine, but you cant expect version x of anything you dont have a history in making, to match the same version x of a company that's been making this stuff for decades.

Our babus want LCA to be F16 else we must buy F16. Which is impossible.

Weapons are selected by forces. Babus role is just there in the negotiation, not which one to buy.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Weapons are selected by forces. Babus role is just there in the negotiation, not which one to buy.

Then babudom has to fire the heads of the forces till they get a yes-man for indegenous armaments. Its just that simple: keep firing generals and air chiefs and navy chiefs till they get the picture.
The babudom does have the power to do that.
The forces are not wrong to demand a rolls royce - every force demans a rolls royce, because every force's logic is 'i want the best damn platform if i am going to risk my life on it'. Force's job is to win wars. Not plan supply-chain. That is job of babudom and its babudom's job to get it through the force's head that you will not buy 10 rolls royce, you will buy 10,000 marutis.
The end.

This is an area of neglect/underperformance by Modi, probably because he suffers from the same 'mahaan jawaan, gib them what they want, dont fight them too much, coz they are desh balidaan-waalas' mentality that a lot of patriotic kind does towards the armed forces.
What they dont understand, is sometimes you have to put your boot on the neck of the forces and make them eat dirt for the bigger supply chain picture, like Stalin did during ww2.

Me personally, would've taken the approach of assembling all the top generals, admirals and air chiefs for mantri-level meeting, asking 'who here wants rafale or F35 ?' and then for every hand that went up, ask for their immediate resignations.
Do it twice and the message filters down the forces really fast. Then you will see Air chief jumping up and down for 500 LCA order.

 

[hurrians]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfo7-8X0b40

 

[Psacha123]

It’s a trap!
As someone who wanted a kinetic response, it kinda sucks to say it, but consider these points,

- Terrorists provoking Modi directly during the attack.
- Unexpected hyper nationalism by the seculars and the 0.5 front.
- Unkil is making a trade deal, and a bogged down India can give more concessions.
- Unkil wants us to say ‘yes’(to F35) in exchange for help in the conflict.
- EU has also committed to complete negotiations on the trade deal by 2025
- Even if we start a low intensity one, they can easily make Pak escalate into a larger one to achieve this. Their gernails won’t mind another defeat as long as they can be compensated adequately.
- While less likely. Chinkus can also do some misadventure, or just grab popcorn while also supporting their slave materially.

Additionally we have never attacked anyone first. So forget about bombing Karachi, we won’t even hit Bhawalpur.

Having said that, Pok is fair game but are their gernails foolish to still run terror camps now? They will probably lie low.

Which leaves with what? Exactly what we are doing :
IWT, Block Airspace and Waterways, Trade , Ban of propaganda channels/handles, raising their cost to maintain deployment in forward locations, clean up the illegals, visa ban etc.

Is this enough? Or course not.
But like others say, we will strike at a time/place of our choosing, not driven by emotions but by realities.
Even our Retd generals are now drawing parallels with 1971 when the Chinku front is frozen.

Apologies if this sounds like a weak response, but I will be patient and continue to trust the govt as they know much more than us.
Our fallen will surely be avenged! Jai Hind!




View: https://x.com/btarunr/status/1918393052021826004?s=46


View: https://x.com/newsarenaindia/status/1918512058003341506?s=46

 

[GaudaNaresh]

It’s a trap!
As someone who wanted a kinetic response, it kinda sucks to say it, but consider these points,

- Terrorists provoking Modi directly during the attack.
- Unexpected hyper nationalism by the seculars and the 0.5 front.
- Unkil is making a trade deal, and a bogged down India can give more concessions.
- Unkil wants us to say ‘yes’(to F35) in exchange for help in the conflict.
- EU has also committed to complete negotiations on the trade deal by 2025
- Even if we start a low intensity one, they can easily make Pak escalate into a larger one to achieve this. Their gernails won’t mind another defeat as long as they can be compensated adequately.
- While less likely. Chinkus can also do some misadventure, or just grab popcorn while also supporting their slave materially.

Additionally we have never attacked anyone first. So forget about bombing Karachi, we won’t even hit Bhawalpur.

Having said that, Pok is fair game but are their gernails foolish to still run terror camps now? They will probably lie low.

Which leaves with what? Exactly what we are doing :
IWT, Block Airspace and Waterways, Trade , Ban of propaganda channels/handles, raising their cost to maintain deployment in forward locations, clean up the illegals, visa ban etc.

Is this enough? Or course not.
But like others say, we will strike at a time/place of our choosing, not driven by emotions but by realities.
Even our Retd generals are now drawing parallels with 1971 when the Chinku front is frozen.

Apologies if this sounds like a weak response, but I will be patient and continue to trust the govt as they know much more than us.
Our fallen will surely be avenged! Jai Hind!




View: https://x.com/btarunr/status/1918393052021826004?s=46


View: https://x.com/newsarenaindia/status/1918512058003341506?s=46

You are more or less correct, but your threat calculus ladder is wrong IMO.
I think whats FAR more likely, is we engage in a below nuclear threshold conventional war with pakis --->China activates LAC --> we are Le screwed--> USA swoops in to help, gains YUUUGE H&D back home for helping a democracy against chicoms + jihadis --->USA asks for its pound of flesh in return and THIS time, its public WILL support punitive actions of govt against India to the hilt if we dont comply, as US public is very proud and want 'amriki chaatu-giri', especially when america helps you.

To avoid this, means only one thing : repeat 1971 strategically.
We already got Russia covered - they will back us, no question, since we tacitly back them in Ukraine.
What we need to cover, is the WINDOW of opportunity - which means take Chicom out of the picture.
Which means wait for 4th week of november when all the himalayan passes freeze.

Which means, for now, puff your chest, march around like you are gonna sucker punch them, make them panic, create stress in their logistic + economic system and kill them from within.
Remember, Pakistan in 2025 is a LOT more socially, economically AND logistically fragile than in 1971.
While we create social stress inside by abrogating IWT, denying air-space, expelling their citizens in India, etc etc.

Right now, Pakistan *WANTS* us to attack. well, it doesnt want us to attack, because it knows it will lose, but it wants the scenario Nazi germany was stuck in with USSR - war today is better for me than war tomorrow.
One of the prime rules of warfare : never go where your enemy leads you. Remember, your goal is not to act like a gorilla and pound the challenger into the ground -your job is to wait for the opportune moment to fuck him up. We should want to do it right, not do it for might.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Call me simp or whatever , even if you are half my age, but i am highly impressed by Modi's response this time around. There is no rashness like Balakot. There is a multi-pronged callibrated response that is costing Pakistan a lot more before a single shot is fired.

We should be planning destruction of Pakistan, not punching Pakistan back in the face and breaking its nose.
Pakistan has BLA problems, pakistan has TTP problems. These are problems on its western frontier/half of the country.
By puffing our chest and walking around and pretending it will be war, we are drawing forces away from their western sector for eastern command. This is creating bigger operating space for BLA, TTP, etc.

So why the fook are we being so impatient ?
The IDEAL scenario for India, is we wait around a bit, mess with their water, scare the crap outta them and make their military weaker in balochistan+khyber region, allow BLA+TTP to fill the power vaccum left by weakening military presence and *THEN* we launch a below nuclear threshold conflict, where we do serious damage to them, while no one can interfere.
And then we go home and let the mauled Paki army try to put out the fires in balochistan+khyber region, which will magnify exponentially in power relativity to the now mauled paki army and watch Pakistan explode from within.
THAT should be the plan IMO. blowing up a few ships, blowing up their ports, blowing up a bunch of terrorist camps, kidnapping muneer and having him gangraped in tihar jail- none of them are sufficient enough a response in my eyes.

We have to go for the kill-shot on pakistan and kill-shot for pakistan is valid only when Pakistan has all the scenarios of : a) internal fires b) economic collapse/brink of economic collapse c) Chinku cannot interfere.

 

[Ultraman]

govt does nothing : master stroke! , see its all trap, 4d chess by china,usa,opposition, .5 front , pakistan,ngos, seculars,that muslim guy who sells pakoda at junction


govt does something : master stroke! , modiji fighting terrorism , only he can guarantee bharat's safety.


bro doesnt have to do anything , people are already giving excuses.


raw and govt thought u could beat pakistan at its game , 10 killed here , we will kill 100 in baloch . not working now , is it ?

only answer is public humiliation of pak army in small doses , instead of staying quiet and going for proxy war , small immediate retaliation after each terrorist strike. now public is expecting some massive firework in pak . lets see what happens.

 

[Hindaviswarajya]

No election and no reply to paxitan.

Now we have new narrative We are damaging without war.
May be bjp can remain to be politics without being in power. We can question them ..
Now who is Pappu ?

Do you have you son brother in army. Why do you want to sacrifice more men when we can do with less. It may take some time gine. Wait till 2027 pak would have disintegrated on its own. We took 6 months for 1971. You want here response in few days when enemy is aler and terrorists hiding. You think we fire missiles and wont get response. In past enemies have waited months years blocking supplies. Wars take time and has goals. It's not you just go to war without fully prepared to satisfy ego of social media warriers sitting at home.

And we did not wanted war this year it's for ed on us by deepstate or china. Anyways we will give response when enemy least expects. It might be few days or months. We may have bigger attack months or even a year later. That's how war is. Expect few strikes now(can be even few months) bigger thi g will be later.

After all the rhetoric has US Russia ever caught direct war. Nuclear deterrence is something as well but we know pak can't use nukes now and before condition comes we can take them out

What is certain is disintegration of pak . Just wait few months you will have civil warkind of situation there.

 

[Drwho]

Do you have you son brother in army. Why do you want to sacrifice more men when we can do with less. It may take some time gine. Wait till 2027 pak would have disintegrated on its own. We took 6 months for 1971. You want here response in few days when enemy is aler and terrorists hiding. You think we fire missiles and wont get response. In past enemies have waited months years blocking supplies. Wars take time and has goals. It's not you just go to war without fully prepared to satisfy ego of social media warriers sitting at home.

And we did not wanted war this year it's for ed on us by deepstate or china. Anyways we will give response when enemy least expects. It might be few days or months. We may have bigger attack months or even a year later. That's how war is. Expect few strikes now(can be even few months) bigger thi g will be later.

What is certain is disintegration of pak . Just wait few months you will have civil warkind of situation there

Wow so smart … if we can’t fight why brag. Why keep army so big. If it only for defence.

Pakistan to apne aap mar jayega. China b trump kar dega barbad.

Cowards ::: these terrorist are sponsored and trained by these porky people. They enter and kill people, government should just tell people you are on your own. Tourists should take care themselves.

This attitude is called Bhagwan bharose.

And army me family wali bakwas mat kar , tum same line repeat karte ho. You have no idea about me and there are millions waiting if there will be army job. Everyone is doing their duty . Let army do it’s.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Do you have you son brother in army. Why do you want to sacrifice more men when we can do with less. It may take some time gine. Wait till 2027 pak would have disintegrated on its own. We took 6 months for 1971. You want here response in few days when enemy is aler and terrorists hiding. You think we fire missiles and wont get response. In past enemies have waited months years blocking supplies. Wars take time and has goals. It's not you just go to war without fully prepared to satisfy ego of social media warriers sitting at home.

And we did not wanted war this year it's for ed on us by deepstate or china. Anyways we will give response when enemy least expects. It might be few days or months. We may have bigger attack months or even a year later. That's how war is. Expect few strikes now(can be even few months) bigger thi g will be later.

After all the rhetoric has US Russia ever caught direct war. Nuclear deterrence is something as well but we know pak can't use nukes now and before condition comes we can take them out

What is certain is disintegration of pak . Just wait few months you will have civil warkind of situation there.

He closes his eyes and desperately wishes that we were Israel and pakistan was gaza.
Well we are not israel for sure but pakistan is not even remotely close to being gaza.
We cant do what netanyahu did to a bunch of people who's best military tech is a skud, have zero air power, zero armored vehicles and is the size of Ludhiana...

 

[samsaptaka]

Can someone help me resolve this conflict

Argument A : Modi is self obsessed, worried about his image all the time does everything for votes.
Argument B : Modi's inaction will erode his image, make him lose votes

How can same set of people be making both the arguments? If A is true , B can't be true & vice a versa, otherwise it leads to cognitive disonance

Because the set of people amongst whom maulana values his image is not the core voter base of middle class hindus. Proof :
No stmt when palghar sadhus lynched
No stmt when Wb Bjp karyakartas lynched
No stmt when gau rakshaks lynched
Rather
Visit ajmer sharif dargah & give chadar
Tweets abt gau rakshaks in -ve way
Condolences when some damned bishop dies.

I go by data , not alleged 56in theories.
So he does value his image but only in the circles of media, the west, bijnessmen, sullas , xtians & opposition and takes hindu votes for granted. Ergo - won't announce war as his image among above will suffer.

It's because Zionist jooz have a strong lobby in US and the EU places, not >chrischun guilt.

Regardles 1:1 comparisons between Israel and India are dumb, the only good comparison is the mindset in dealing with eternal threats from the Jewish state and the hindu secular state.

One has taken all means to defang and enslave it's enemies, the other just tanks their hits without a response.

That said Israeli state's existence is in danger from the surrounding green hordes, Pigletistan can't( does not have the balls ) do any actual damage to India, none, nada let alone existential threats

Oh no my friend, don't you believe that we are not under an existential threat. Just bcos we have larger land mass doesn't mean we are fine. We had an even bigger landmass stretching from Gandhara in west ro SE asia in east. Now its from Porkland in west to WB or Myanmar in east. In that too WB, Kerala, kashmir etc..soon gonna be majority sulla, AP and TN soon gonna be majority abrahamic....add in waqf nonsense illegal porks and rohingya and their roach like multiplication.....writing is on the wall unless ruthless steps are taken in the next 5 to 10 yrs max....

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Wow so smart … if we can’t fight why brag. Why keep army so big. If it only for defence.

Pakistan to apne aap mar jayega. China b trump kar dega barbad.

Cowards ::: these terrorist are sponsored and trained by these porky people. They enter and kill people, government should just tell people you are on your own. Tourists should take care themselves.

This attitude is called Bhagwan bharose.

Aur army me family ki bakwas mat kar , tum same line repeat karte ho. You have no idea about me and there are millions waiting if there will be army job. Everyone is doing their duty . Let army do it’s.

No, this attitude is called war posturing. As he noted and you conviniently avoided, India planned over six months for war with pakis in 1971.
Tell us what you want - you want a bigger balakot or a serious war. That will make the discussion a lot less cumbersome, as once you are clear on your goals, perspective become clearer.

You want balakot part-2 ? Fine. naacho. cheekho. Aur bolo bhagwaan bharose.
You want 1971 and katua-stan to get another circumcision ? then chup kar baith jao, wait till December and if then nothing happens, FIR naacho aur modi ko gaali do.

 

[Knowitall]

govt does nothing : master stroke! , see its all trap, 4d chess by china,usa,opposition, .5 front , pakistan,ngos, seculars,that muslim guy who sells pakoda at junction


govt does something : master stroke! , modiji fighting terrorism , only he can guarantee bharat's safety.


bro doesnt have to do anything , people are already giving excuses.


raw and govt thought u could beat pakistan at its game , 10 killed here , we will kill 100 in baloch . not working now , is it ?

only answer is public humiliation of pak army in small doses , instead of staying quiet and going for proxy war , small immediate retaliation after each terrorist strike. now public is expecting some massive firework in pak . lets see what happens.

Never want any flame against my boi manmohan since according to BJP IT Cell he thinks and acts exactly like chodi only.


View: https://x.com/mrsinha_/status/1910323551741104623?s=46

 

[ashes]

Everybody till the top brass knows nothing but shit , everyone is literally playing on speculation battlefield . We might be preparing for full blown war against pakistan for next 2 months or we might be assainating asif munir right now or we might be preparing drones and cruise missile or we might be go complete diplomatic war or we might just do nothing , everything can happen. Nobody can predict what will happen at this point. I am just excited what will happen, it just feels good to see people heads getting torn apart in anticipation.

 

[altruistRor]

Wait till 2027 pak would have disintegrated on its own. We took 6 months for 1971.

Pakistan will never disintegrate on its own. No amount of civil war and backing of TTP, BLA can break Pakistan. The sooner we realise this, the better it is.

We're quickly able to do it in East Pakistan coz of its distance from West Pakistan. One important fact which most ignore is, Pakjabis. They are converted Jat, Rajputs. Inbreeds yes, but can not be easily overpowered.

India would have to be a mad mad dog, a ruthless one. Disintegration of Pakistan requires a bloodbath, such bloodthirst we saw only twice in last 100 yrs.

5 yrs down the line, there will be no Trump, and possibly lady Obama in the White House. No way, we can attack Pak at that time.

The future is uncertain. We have the opportunity now. It should be done now. Doesn't matter my kids, brothers, father are in forces or not. But definitely they do not deserve to die at the hands of Jihadi fanatics, point blank.

 

[MasterChief]

Do you have you son brother in army. Why do you want to sacrifice more men when we can do with less. It may take some time gine. Wait till 2027 pak would have disintegrated on its own. We took 6 months for 1971. You want here response in few days when enemy is aler and terrorists hiding. You think we fire missiles and wont get response. In past enemies have waited months years blocking supplies. Wars take time and has goals. It's not you just go to war without fully prepared to satisfy ego of social media warriers sitting at home.

And we did not wanted war this year it's for ed on us by deepstate or china. Anyways we will give response when enemy least expects. It might be few days or months. We may have bigger attack months or even a year later. That's how war is. Expect few strikes now(can be even few months) bigger thi g will be later.

After all the rhetoric has US Russia ever caught direct war. Nuclear deterrence is something as well but we know pak can't use nukes now and before condition comes we can take them out

What is certain is disintegration of pak . Just wait few months you will have civil warkind of situation there.

Kahan se aate tum log.. or is it the same people with different accounts.. ?

What if Pakistan doesn't end up in civil war in few months ? You will delete your account

 

[redpanda]

I understand the frustration stemming from policy paralysis in our country—many of us feel it deeply. Like everyone else, I too want swift and decisive action. However, military strategy is a complex and high-stakes domain that involves calculated risks, including the potential loss of lives and assets. Every move must be thoroughly considered.

Those saying 'Nothing is happening' or 'What have we done?' need to understand that military operations cannot be driven by emotion or impulse. You don’t just wake up one morning and decide to march to Lahore, that’s simply not how such things work. Let's say we do try to pull off some strike inside their territory in hurry because of public pressure without proper planning and our forces get caught off guard then not only we will lose our image but the precious lives of our soldiers & other assets.

That is why despite my own frustration, I still hold faith that we will act, if not today, then perhaps in a month. Just in a more well planned manner.

 

[Knowitall]

Wake up babe new IT cell lore just dropped. The way these guys talk i wonder if they serve as comfort women in BJP quarters at night.


View: https://x.com/arunpudur/status/1918532014724268225?s=46

 

[samsaptaka]

Wake up babe new IT cell lore just dropped. The way these guys talk i wonder if they serve as comfort women in BJP quarters at night.


View: https://x.com/arunpudur/status/1918532014724268225?s=46

This strategy should have been implemented the moment maulana came to power, not once but twice with full majority. Not when Hindus are killed openly and not as a reactionary move. Please ask that IT celliya what stopped maulana from implementing this strategy from day one ? Nawaz Sharif's mother ?

 

[asl001]

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