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This is a thread dedicated to old, or "retro" games
anything below current gen consoles like PS4, PS5, Nintendo Switch, Xbox One and Pre-2015-ish era is recommended, same goes for PC games
 
first and foremost, a little recap to what we all have experienced in our childhood, so called TV games

the mere mention of Mario, Contra etc brings back memories from those cosy days in our childhood, spending hours sitting next to a TV and nailing down cartoonish enemies...for many of us, it was our first introduction to world of Video Games

but, barely anyone cares-cared to know more about how it all came to be

this post will explain it in brief, without much details
> so in 1980s, Nintendo of Japan released their flagship 8-bit console, named 'Nintendo Entertainment System' in the US, and some years before that around 1983, they released it locally first for Japanese market, named "Nintendo FamiCom" (famicom is short for 'Family Computer') - now both consoles are technically similar, there are some Japan-specific differences in FamiCom that made it different like
-> FamiCom was named so because Nintendo of Japan initially wanted it to be a home microcomputer thing, similar to Commodore 64, with basic 8-bit console serving as game unit, then with add-ons like a Keyboard and Floppy Disk drive, it can be turned into a basic computer, with some programmability in BASIC language too! FamiCom had a dedicated 'expansion port' to allow such attachments
Though they made it possible like that, success of entire 'basic home computer' thing remained limited
-> From this experience, Nintendo of Japan decided to mostly project their 8-bit console as a gaming thing for international release, removed most expansion or add-ons capabilities from that american release console named NES and focused solely on gaming thing
-> Now, Nintendo never released either NES or FamiCom for Indian market, over obvious reasons 🤷‍♂️ but by the time NES and FamiCom became an outdated things as market moved on to next big gaming things like SNES (Super Nintendo / Super FamiCom), Sega Mega Drive / Genesis and all...
Enter the Dragon 🐉🇨🇳
-> Chinese elctronic hubs based around GuangZhou successfully 'reverse engineered' Japanese version, that FamiCom, and flooded international market with cheap copies of same and game cartridges, around early 90s - These chini bootleg things are colloquially called "FamiClones" in current day gaming jargons
-> We, the Indians, as well as post-soviet nations, and all those second to third world countries who'd recently started getting TV sets in their homes, benefitted from these FamiClones a lot, and THAT was the thing that we got...an 80s era 8-bit game consoles in 90s 🤷‍♂️ though as a kid who grew up with that, I must say my thanks to both Japanese, for making such an amazing thing for kids, and to Chinese, for making it available to us even in forms of copies @rockdog :pray:

So TL;DR
Indians mostly got chinese copies of FamiCom, and most game 'cassettes' too were copied from FamiCom's game cartridges

If you are more interested about historical aspects and all; then I highly recommend this russian gamer's documentary titled "Curse of the White Elephant" where he's mentioning it in detail, there are A LOT of parallels between ways russians got introduced to their chinese-russian "Dendy" consoles to our experiences with chinese FamiClones here

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJQr3tnjHlg

View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCE3FEDC39DEF28E3

View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL37878DE1D5A44C60

View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLykVxlyxfOyKKzdRis2_DXHpYPKRrpcJ-
 
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I had Little Master video game which in later years realized was a Nintendo Ripoff(kind of similar to dendy - but it had big red glowing button in middle). But man Toys in those eras were built great sturdy plastic. I still have the media box lying somewhere. Its Cassette one of 599/799 ones imported from Japan got its card corrupted. Had fun games playing with my siblings and friends - much to ire of my parents. I remember me and my siblings had to collect money for more than year in gullak to must half the amount for the game. It costed 1800 those days - and had to earn earful from father - which I know realize how difficult would have been for him. But it was kind of last game investment I made until later when we got computer for academics and along came world of PC games. Again PC game I played few - did not have any graphics card. Budget Phones are more powerful than computers at that time. Mine had upgraded RAM of 128MB and huge HDD of 20GB , plus Floppy Disk. Could not afford CD writer so had only CD reader. But yeah Games which I do remember where NFS, Virtua Cop, Max Payne, Demo versions of Snake (not the Nokia one), playing Flash games such as beach volleyball and ice skating on Lab computers when teachers sneaked out . Later on outside for very very brief moments I played COD WW2, Gears of War and Forza - when I saw them for first time my mouth dropped at graphic details and thought kids of would be enjoying them even more. But I could not bring myself buying any console... Because at that time I pretty much started loosing interest in getting latest and greatest hardware of the time.

But yeah Gaming in without internet days was amazing and fun too

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first and foremost, a little recap to what we all have experienced in our childhood, so called TV games

the mere mention of Mario, Contra etc brings back memories from those cosy days in our childhood, spending hours sitting next to a TV and nailing down cartoonish enemies...for many of us, it was our first introduction to world of Video Games

but, barely anyone cares-cared to know more about how it all came to be

this post will explain it in brief, without much details
> so in 1980s, Nintendo of Japan released their flagship 8-bit console, named 'Nintendo Entertainment System' in the US, and some years before that around 1983, they released it locally first for Japanese market, named "Nintendo FamiCom" (famicom is short for 'Family Computer') - now both consoles are technically similar, there are some Japan-specific differences in FamiCom that made it different like
-> FamiCom was named so because Nintendo of Japan initially wanted it to be a home microcomputer thing, similar to Commodore 64, with basic 8-bit console serving as game unit, then with add-ons like a Keyboard and Floppy Disk drive, it can be turned into a basic computer, with some programmability in BASIC language too! FamiCom had a dedicated 'expansion port' to allow such attachments
Though they made it possible like that, success of entire 'basic home computer' thing remained limited
-> From this experience, Nintendo of Japan decided to mostly project their 8-bit console as a gaming thing for international release, removed most expansion or add-ons capabilities from that american release console named NES and focused solely on gaming thing
-> Now, Nintendo never released either NES or FamiCom for Indian market, over obvious reasons 🤷‍♂️ but by the time NES and FamiCom became an outdated things as market moved on to next big gaming things like SNES (Super Nintendo / Super FamiCom), Sega Mega Drive / Genesis and all...
Enter the Dragon 🐉🇨🇳
-> Chinese elctronic hubs based around GuangZhou successfully 'reverse engineered' Japanese version, that FamiCom, and flooded international market with cheap copies of same and game cartridges, around early 90s - These chini bootleg things are colloquially called "FamiClones" in current day gaming jargons
-> We, the Indians, as well as post-soviet nations, and all those second to third world countries who'd recently started getting TV sets in their homes, benefitted from these FamiClones a lot, and THAT was the thing that we got...an 80s era 8-bit game consoles in 90s 🤷‍♂️ though as a kid who grew up with that, I must say my thanks to both Japanese, for making such an amazing thing for kids, and to Chinese, for making it available to us even in forms of copies @rockdog :pray:

So TL;DR
Indians mostly got chinese copies of FamiCom, and most game 'cassettes' too were copied from FamiCom's game cartridges

If you are more interested about historical aspects and all; then I highly recommend this russian gamer's documentary titled "Curse of the White Elephant" where he's mentioning it in detail, there are A LOT of parallels between ways russians got introduced to their chinese-russian "Dendy" consoles to our experiences with chinese FamiClones here

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJQr3tnjHlg

my personal experience

in my childhood, i got my first FamiClone around 1998 if i remember correctly, it looked something like this
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notice the playstation 1 like console, that freaking MP5K-ish "pistol" with 'detachable front grip' :p and playstation 1 ish controllers...
of course it came with standard 'cassette' with some 80-in-1 combo containing all famous games of that era like Mario, Contra, Duck Hunt, Road Fighter and all...

my second (...well my siblings') console was similar to this
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yes, a freakin' "home computer" version, this came with a mouse too! :p

i enjoyed my childhood at fullest with these two...perhaps too much at it haha sometimes even risking anger of my parents
and this is my entire collection of 'cassettes' reduced mostly to 'chips' nowadays, most of them still work, only that i don't have a working tv console on me - but running all these on emulation is easy peasy
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since internet came in our life, i extensively 'researched' about those games from that era to learn more about what we missed and all, will introduce some of these games in following posts, and give my retrospective views about them too
 
first and foremost, a little recap to what we all have experienced in our childhood, so called TV games

the mere mention of Mario, Contra etc brings back memories from those cosy days in our childhood, spending hours sitting next to a TV and nailing down cartoonish enemies...for many of us, it was our first introduction to world of Video Games

but, barely anyone cares-cared to know more about how it all came to be

this post will explain it in brief, without much details
> so in 1980s, Nintendo of Japan released their flagship 8-bit console, named 'Nintendo Entertainment System' in the US, and some years before that around 1983, they released it locally first for Japanese market, named "Nintendo FamiCom" (famicom is short for 'Family Computer') - now both consoles are technically similar, there are some Japan-specific differences in FamiCom that made it different like
-> FamiCom was named so because Nintendo of Japan initially wanted it to be a home microcomputer thing, similar to Commodore 64, with basic 8-bit console serving as game unit, then with add-ons like a Keyboard and Floppy Disk drive, it can be turned into a basic computer, with some programmability in BASIC language too! FamiCom had a dedicated 'expansion port' to allow such attachments
Though they made it possible like that, success of entire 'basic home computer' thing remained limited
-> From this experience, Nintendo of Japan decided to mostly project their 8-bit console as a gaming thing for international release, removed most expansion or add-ons capabilities from that american release console named NES and focused solely on gaming thing
-> Now, Nintendo never released either NES or FamiCom for Indian market, over obvious reasons 🤷‍♂️ but by the time NES and FamiCom became an outdated things as market moved on to next big gaming things like SNES (Super Nintendo / Super FamiCom), Sega Mega Drive / Genesis and all...
Enter the Dragon 🐉🇨🇳
-> Chinese elctronic hubs based around GuangZhou successfully 'reverse engineered' Japanese version, that FamiCom, and flooded international market with cheap copies of same and game cartridges, around early 90s - These chini bootleg things are colloquially called "FamiClones" in current day gaming jargons
-> We, the Indians, as well as post-soviet nations, and all those second to third world countries who'd recently started getting TV sets in their homes, benefitted from these FamiClones a lot, and THAT was the thing that we got...an 80s era 8-bit game consoles in 90s 🤷‍♂️ though as a kid who grew up with that, I must say my thanks to both Japanese, for making such an amazing thing for kids, and to Chinese, for making it available to us even in forms of copies @rockdog :pray:

So TL;DR
Indians mostly got chinese copies of FamiCom, and most game 'cassettes' too were copied from FamiCom's game cartridges

If you are more interested about historical aspects and all; then I highly recommend this russian gamer's documentary titled "Curse of the White Elephant" where he's mentioning it in detail, there are A LOT of parallels between ways russians got introduced to their chinese-russian "Dendy" consoles to our experiences with chinese FamiClones here

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJQr3tnjHlg

View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCE3FEDC39DEF28E3

View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL37878DE1D5A44C60

View: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLykVxlyxfOyKKzdRis2_DXHpYPKRrpcJ-


1. Actually, Not just copy, during 80's, 90's, when the PC was $10,000 per, those Chinese makers used Nintendo archtecture - copy and developed first generation of "Study Machine ( simplied PC)", our gen of Chinese kids knew how to make basic programming even keyboard typing skill from them.

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2. Those makers were all from Cantoon, they were toys makers. 30 yrs later, they became world's biggest Drone makers, since 70% of components from a Drone shared same tech from toy industry.
 
1. Actually, Not just copy, during 80's, 90's, when the PC was $10,000 per, those Chinese makers used Nintendo archtecture - copy and developed first generation of "Study Machine ( simplied PC)", our gen of Chinese kids knew how to make basic programming even keyboard typing skill from them.

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2. Those makers were all from Cantoon, they were toys makers. 30 yrs later, they became world's biggest Drone makers, since 70% of components from a Drone shared same tech from toy industry.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K_1GRTab4U1. Actually, Not just copy, during 80's, 90's, when the PC was $10,000 per, those Chinese makers used Nintendo archtecture - copy and developed first generation of "Study Machine ( simplied PC)", our gen of Chinese kids knew how to make basic programming even keyboard typing skill from them.

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2. Those makers were all from Cantoon, they were toys makers. 30 yrs later, they became world's biggest Drone makers, since 70% of components from a Drone shared same tech from toy industry.

I know about 'educational computer' things of GameStar, Subor and such makers, built on Nintendo's fork of BASIC programming - it's something that Japanese could've-should've done but never bothered much over lower expectations of success in international market I believe as by then there already were better home and personal computers in market


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K_1GRTab4U

What Chinese did was quite phenomenal in terms of expanding capabilities of a simple 8-bit microcomputer to get a basic home computer thing out of it, my full respects to you all for that(y)

I myself had one such 8-bit home computer FamiClone (that black keyboard thing i posted before) which happened to have that 'expansion port' too, some of these 'educational computer games' are available as ROMs on internet and runs on some emulators too, here a screenshot collagechinese_family computer_clone_games.webp

explanation
- 1st pic, this is how mouse-operable educational computer famiclone game looked when loaded, you can use d-pad or mouse if it came with yours to select games from that screen, quite GUI-ish, isn't it?!
- 2nd pic, some game where you enter credit, and identify the correct object written below, a basic educational game to make kids learn names of things
- 3rd pic, similar concept as above but now you select objects on a picture
- 4th pic, some notepad like thing where you can type
- 5th pic, some typing hedgehog smashing game
- 6th pic, MS WORD COPY!
- 7th and 8th pic, MS EXCEL COPY! YES, IT COMES WITH SOME BASIC FUNCTIONS TOO!!
- 9th and 10th pic, some...elephant game? that crane-like bird drops egg and elephant's supposed to blow air at it to supposedly save it? and on successful outcome it'll write down alphabet in a-for-apple, b-for-bell fashion

overall pretty interactive educational computer thing,
and if your console came with said expansion port, yes, you can attach dot matrix printer to it too! as these game carts came with some variant of BASIC programming language, you can print stuffs too

as for Canton, yes it's another name for Guangzhou, right?
 
I know about 'educational computer' things of GameStar, Subor and such makers, built on Nintendo's fork of BASIC programming - it's something that Japanese could've-should've done but never bothered much over lower expectations of success in international market I believe as by then there already were better home and personal computers in market


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K_1GRTab4U

What Chinese did was quite phenomenal in terms of expanding capabilities of a simple 8-bit microcomputer to get a basic home computer thing out of it, my full respects to you all for that(y)

I myself had one such 8-bit home computer FamiClone (that black keyboard thing i posted before) which happened to have that 'expansion port' too, some of these 'educational computer games' are available as ROMs on internet and runs on some emulators too, here a screenshot collageView attachment 25596

explanation
- 1st pic, this is how mouse-operable educational computer famiclone game looked when loaded, you can use d-pad or mouse if it came with yours to select games from that screen, quite GUI-ish, isn't it?!
- 2nd pic, some game where you enter credit, and identify the correct object written below, a basic educational game to make kids learn names of things
- 3rd pic, similar concept as above but now you select objects on a picture
- 4th pic, some notepad like thing where you can type
- 5th pic, some typing hedgehog smashing game
- 6th pic, MS WORD COPY!
- 7th and 8th pic, MS EXCEL COPY! YES, IT COMES WITH SOME BASIC FUNCTIONS TOO!!
- 9th and 10th pic, some...elephant game? that crane-like bird drops egg and elephant's supposed to blow air at it to supposedly save it? and on successful outcome it'll write down alphabet in a-for-apple, b-for-bell fashion

overall pretty interactive educational computer thing,
and if your console came with said expansion port, yes, you can attach dot matrix printer to it too! as these game carts came with some variant of BASIC programming language, you can print stuffs too

as for Canton, yes it's another name for Guangzhou, right?


Yes,Canton means GuangDong Province (Guangzhou city is the captial of), these kind of makers were all concentrated in Great Bay Area of Pearl River Delta.


Poor nation had “poor solution” for education during 1980-1990s. When i was 12-15, my parents salary was $200-300 totally per month. And Apple or IBM 486 PC were $3000-10000; And those Educational Computer you mentioned on Nintendo-architecture were only $300 per.

I remember my first LOGO Language, BASIC Language "hello world" were on it, pretty good memory.
 
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I know about 'educational computer' things of GameStar, Subor and such makers, built on Nintendo's fork of BASIC programming - it's something that Japanese could've-should've done but never bothered much over lower expectations of success in international market I believe as by then there already were better home and personal computers in market


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K_1GRTab4U

What Chinese did was quite phenomenal in terms of expanding capabilities of a simple 8-bit microcomputer to get a basic home computer thing out of it, my full respects to you all for that(y)

I myself had one such 8-bit home computer FamiClone (that black keyboard thing i posted before) which happened to have that 'expansion port' too, some of these 'educational computer games' are available as ROMs on internet and runs on some emulators too, here a screenshot collageView attachment 25596

explanation
- 1st pic, this is how mouse-operable educational computer famiclone game looked when loaded, you can use d-pad or mouse if it came with yours to select games from that screen, quite GUI-ish, isn't it?!
- 2nd pic, some game where you enter credit, and identify the correct object written below, a basic educational game to make kids learn names of things
- 3rd pic, similar concept as above but now you select objects on a picture
- 4th pic, some notepad like thing where you can type
- 5th pic, some typing hedgehog smashing game
- 6th pic, MS WORD COPY!
- 7th and 8th pic, MS EXCEL COPY! YES, IT COMES WITH SOME BASIC FUNCTIONS TOO!!
- 9th and 10th pic, some...elephant game? that crane-like bird drops egg and elephant's supposed to blow air at it to supposedly save it? and on successful outcome it'll write down alphabet in a-for-apple, b-for-bell fashion

overall pretty interactive educational computer thing,
and if your console came with said expansion port, yes, you can attach dot matrix printer to it too! as these game carts came with some variant of BASIC programming language, you can print stuffs too

as for Canton, yes it's another name for Guangzhou, right?

Johnny schools had those educational computers in India too called BBC computers. Remember this was all in socialist pre liberalization era. Whats interesting is those BBC computers and Computer game boxes were made in India - we had that kind of relatively good base in industry getting incubated at that time. You may not remember but TVS based cherry keyboards were expensive and much sought after then. And yes all Game boxed were labeled as Home computer. We did not have IR Gun packaged with Game as it used to cost extra. I remember Little Master by Media was made somewhere in Okhla. The other Toy I remember was battery Train set (with Rails) made by "Pappu Industries" - and that Toy was made of such good quality - it lasted years. The engine set battery operated was such sturdy built - that as kids we threw it at each other in fights - yet it never broke - worked till last. It got spoiled only when one the long dead battery leaked its content inside and corroded the internals. All the kids who had uncles in Military would remember getting M-4, Mauser toys from toy company called LEO. Those days toys were not of that variety and we would get toys only on Birthday or when we visited a Religious places - and got all those knick knacks like motor boats etc..

Chinese Famicom copies flooded market only in very late 90's and early 2000s. Thats was the time whcih really doomed our toy and electronic industry to dust. ITAR killed it.

Quake is another game which I played a lot with Enigma playlist(including Bootlegged Enigma) running in background on PC those days.
 
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My Dad bought a NES Clone from a Japanese vendor called Samurai (bootleg company selling clones around the world). It was quite costly for that time ~1/6th the price of the house we lived in that time. It was a conscious and costly decision taken as he was running a shop back then where people would put up these consoles to earn extra bucks.

It looked like this but in black color body minus the Micro genius branding:

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The box was similar to this:

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It is still lying somewhere in storage.
 
My Dad bought a NES Clone from a Japanese vendor called Samurai (bootleg company selling clones around the world). It was quite costly for that time ~1/6th the price of the house we lived in that time. It was a conscious and costly decision taken as he was running a shop back then where people would put up these consoles to earn extra bucks.

It looked like this but in black color body minus the Micro genius branding:

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The box was similar to this:

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It is still lying somewhere in storage.
Yea I remember Samurai . . It was Luxury Game Box for us as it was all Japanese and expensive. Those days this is the brand which ran Ads on TV. And yeah Game shops. Thats had crt TV's and coin box to play Contra, Mario. They were real destroyer of Children - Shagun money received on trip to Naanke/or rare pocket money. A Game at that shop and later drinking that Banta Lemon Soda bottle or chomping Imli Gud Goli .. thats what I remember of those trips


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4go1_2hmiI
 
first retro game that i'd like to introduce to you all,

[ before i move forward, a little disclaimer,
when it comes to cheap chinese FamiClones, a lot of stuff that we got was actually in japanese or chinese; then some outright 'bootleg' stuff was made from existing lesser-known games with replaced sprites of mario or some other characters, then these chinese guys also made their original stuff too so bravo,
thus it's important in this internet age to mention actual origins of these stuffs just to be clear ]

now,

have you seen legendary sports-comedy movie "Shaolin Soccer" ?
the plot of movie was mixing martial arts with football in fantasy-comical ways

But what if I tell you, even before this movie was made, some Nintendo game actually depicted (albeit somewhat crudely and comically at it) fantasy martial arts mixed with football thing? well not actually martial arts x football per se, it's rather like, japanese delinquents going around the world for some football tournament and bringing their hot-headedness in these all...but honestly this video game reminds me a lot, A LOT, of 'Shaolin Soccer' movie

meet Goal 3 (chinese bootleg name) or Kunio-Kun no Nekketsu Soccer League ( くにおくんの熱血サッカーリーグ actual japanese title for Famicom, means Kunio's Hot-Blooded Soccer League)
in west it was released as Nintendo World Cup, actually this Goal 3 // Kunio-Kun's is a sequel to the western release, but my personal recommendation, don't bother with western release, it's botched a lot
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some pointers for this game
> well, it's football, but mixed with hot-headness of this Kunio guy and his gang, you can do "super shots" by kicking the ball with certain combinations to make it turn say, shuriken, banana (lol yes) and what not before it goes towards the goalpost, and some powerful supershots can hurt others too in comic ways, and yes most football rules regd to player behaviour and all doesn't matter, although there is some way to call for 'foul' in it
> basic commands in-games are to tell nearmost guy to either pass the ball to you, or play on, i believe, he may interact positively or negatively depending on his mood or 'relationship' with your character (more on it later, in RPG-ish pointer)
> this game supports two-players, so you can play it with your friend too
> in-game music is quite good, lots of memorable chip-tunes that repeat
> there will also be...fights with other characters from enemy teams as you play through football field - you and they can elbow, stomp on each others and what not, and the character reactions would definitely tickle your funny bones
> well, it is a pretty easy peasy game to win if you've mastered basic controls, you can rain goals to opponent teams, but in hard mode opposite teams are somewhat proactive and reactive to your movements so yeah it can be made tough
> minor thing in game but can come useful for hard mode players - it does have some RPG-ish elements, like character rooster menus have ;character status; like thing, where each character's mood, willingness to play, likes-dislikes and such things are shown, you can do basic text-selection thing to say, serve some character with his favourite food to elevate his mood, place them in a team with like-minded characters etc all basic tinkering around

i mean, just look at this video yourself

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u75QFlGFZOY

as i said, original game was in Japanese, and chinese bootleg one was also perhaps in Japanese with perhaps title card changed to 'Goal 3' and it could either be in japanese or chinese dunno remember much; but there already are fan-translated english version of it on internet, i shall share one ROM file in english with you, put it on any NES emulator on your PC/Smartphone and it'll run just fine
 

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A clone of the BBC Micro was produced by Semiconductor Complex Limited and named the SCL Unicorn. Another Indian computer manufacturer, Hope Computers Pvt Ltd, made a BBC Micro clone called the Dolphin. Unlike the original BBC Micro, the Dolphin featured blue function keys.

Production agreements were made with both SCL in India and distributor Harry Mazal in Mexico for the assembly of BBC Micro units from kits of parts, leading to full-scale manufacturing, with SCL also planning to fabricate the 6502 CPU under license from Rockwell. According to reporting from early 1985, "several thousand Beebs a month" were being produced in India.

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first retro game that i'd like to introduce to you all,

[ before i move forward, a little disclaimer,
when it comes to cheap chinese FamiClones, a lot of stuff that we got was actually in japanese or chinese; then some outright 'bootleg' stuff was made from existing lesser-known games with replaced sprites of mario or some other characters, then these chinese guys also made their original stuff too so bravo,
thus it's important in this internet age to mention actual origins of these stuffs just to be clear ]

now,

have you seen legendary sports-comedy movie "Shaolin Soccer" ?
the plot of movie was mixing martial arts with football in fantasy-comical ways

But what if I tell you, even before this movie was made, some Nintendo game actually depicted (albeit somewhat crudely and comically at it) fantasy martial arts mixed with football thing? well not actually martial arts x football per se, it's rather like, japanese delinquents going around the world for some football tournament and bringing their hot-headedness in these all...but honestly this video game reminds me a lot, A LOT, of 'Shaolin Soccer' movie

meet Goal 3 (chinese bootleg name) or Kunio-Kun no Nekketsu Soccer League ( くにおくんの熱血サッカーリーグ actual japanese title for Famicom, means Kunio's Hot-Blooded Soccer League)
in west it was released as Nintendo World Cup, actually this Goal 3 // Kunio-Kun's is a sequel to the western release, but my personal recommendation, don't bother with western release, it's botched a lot
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some pointers for this game
> well, it's football, but mixed with hot-headness of this Kunio guy and his gang, you can do "super shots" by kicking the ball with certain combinations to make it turn say, shuriken, banana (lol yes) and what not before it goes towards the goalpost, and some powerful supershots can hurt others too in comic ways, and yes most football rules regd to player behaviour and all doesn't matter, although there is some way to call for 'foul' in it
> basic commands in-games are to tell nearmost guy to either pass the ball to you, or play on, i believe, he may interact positively or negatively depending on his mood or 'relationship' with your character (more on it later, in RPG-ish pointer)
> this game supports two-players, so you can play it with your friend too
> in-game music is quite good, lots of memorable chip-tunes that repeat
> there will also be...fights with other characters from enemy teams as you play through football field - you and they can elbow, stomp on each others and what not, and the character reactions would definitely tickle your funny bones
> well, it is a pretty easy peasy game to win if you've mastered basic controls, you can rain goals to opponent teams, but in hard mode opposite teams are somewhat proactive and reactive to your movements so yeah it can be made tough
> minor thing in game but can come useful for hard mode players - it does have some RPG-ish elements, like character rooster menus have ;character status; like thing, where each character's mood, willingness to play, likes-dislikes and such things are shown, you can do basic text-selection thing to say, serve some character with his favourite food to elevate his mood, place them in a team with like-minded characters etc all basic tinkering around

i mean, just look at this video yourself

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u75QFlGFZOY

as i said, original game was in Japanese, and chinese bootleg one was also perhaps in Japanese with perhaps title card changed to 'Goal 3' and it could either be in japanese or chinese dunno remember much; but there already are fan-translated english version of it on internet, i shall share one ROM file in english with you, put it on any NES emulator on your PC/Smartphone and it'll run just fine

a sidenote but, what's even deal with this 'Kunio' guy?

well it's more or less, a series of Brawler-style games by a company Technos Japan (now owned by some other company) that made these games based on a fictional, 80s-90s era Japanese Yankee = Delinquent (in our words, a Chhapri lmao) High Schooler named Kunio, and his misadventures around his school and city, fictionalised as 'Nekketsu School' (lol, as i said before, Nekketsu means Hot-Blooded or Hot Tempered in general) and 'River City'

games include some sort of city marathon game where you can beat others, then 'River City Ransom' where Kunio and his gang of chhapris goes around beathing the shit out of other chhapris in said river city, a Dodgeball game, a Hockey game and what not, you can read more about it all in following links



 
Johnny schools had those educational computers in India too called BBC computers. Remember this was all in socialist pre liberalization era. Whats interesting is those BBC computers and Computer game boxes were made in India - we had that kind of relatively good base in industry getting incubated at that time. You may not remember but TVS based cherry keyboards were expensive and much sought after then. And yes all Game boxed were labeled as Home computer. We did not have IR Gun packaged with Game as it used to cost extra. I remember Little Master by Media was made somewhere in Okhla. The other Toy I remember was battery Train set (with Rails) made by "Pappu Industries" - and that Toy was made of such good quality - it lasted years. The engine set battery operated was such sturdy built - that as kids we threw it at each other in fights - yet it never broke - worked till last. It got spoiled only when one the long dead battery leaked its content inside and corroded the internals. All the kids who had uncles in Military would remember getting M-4, Mauser toys from toy company called LEO. Those days toys were not of that variety and we would get toys only on Birthday or when we visited a Religious places - and got all those knick knacks like motor boats etc..

Chinese Famicom copies flooded market only in very late 90's and early 2000s. Thats was the time whcih really doomed our toy and electronic industry to dust. ITAR killed it.

Quake is another game which I played a lot with Enigma playlist(including Bootlegged Enigma) running in background on PC those days.

wow man, so some form of Home Computer thing was also present in India hhmm, based on 6502 8-bit microcomputer thing hhmm...

i'm hearing about it all for first time though, wish i got to experience this machine 😪

well I'm a 90s product and never ever saw this or heard about it in my side of world in Gujarat....heck, i didn't even get computer as a subject till i reached High School, and it only happened because mine was a govt high school so they had to keep some token computers there in a lab, but even then in late 2000s those computers were just... 🤷‍♂️ so outdated; most students would rather take PT as subject over computers as our school at least did have a huge ground behind school building where they can do all sort of sports, mostly cricket

but as i said before, my introduction to computers was still in time, as my uncle and his friends-coworkers did have computers in his office, he'd sometimes let me play games there, or introduce to basic functionalities of windows like start menu, how to open and close things, how to use ms paint thing and all, if i remember correctly his office side computers ran on windows 98
 
wow man, so some form of Home Computer thing was also present in India hhmm, based on 6502 8-bit microcomputer thing hhmm...

i'm hearing about it all for first time though, wish i got to experience this machine 😪

well I'm a 90s product and never ever saw this or heard about it in my side of world in Gujarat....heck, i didn't even get computer as a subject till i reached High School, and it only happened because mine was a govt high school so they had to keep some token computers there in a lab, but even then in late 2000s those computers were just... 🤷‍♂️ so outdated; most students would rather take PT as subject over computers as our school at least did have a huge ground behind school building where they can do all sort of sports, mostly cricket

but as i said before, my introduction to computers was still in time, as my uncle and his friends-coworkers did have computers in his office, he'd sometimes let me play games there, or introduce to basic functionalities of windows like start menu, how to open and close things, how to use ms paint thing and all, if i remember correctly his office side computers ran on windows 98
oh for us too computers were strictly school thingy. Only few kids with good money or top Govt Jobs had computers at home. These computers were expensive. In School late 80's and early 90's 4 students used to sit in front one computer. We used to divide Keys on Keyboard to do Logo or Basic programming. I remember for the first time I see a Computer with Mouse was when one kid trying to draw a plane on MS Paint (I had no clue at that time what software it was or what was windows) via mouse - And I was like oh so thats how fighter planes get designed :ROFLMAO:. The only exposure to mouse till that date was Black and Computer Basic computer book which listed Mouse as one of the "external input peripheral" or National Geographic magazine article which showed how planes are cars get designed on computers and Computer Simulators or Discovery clips.(Again remember I did not know what internet was - even at that time).
 
And you are lucky that your govt school had computers. In our time - even top govt school hardly had computers.
 
a sidenote but, what's even deal with this 'Kunio' guy?

well it's more or less, a series of Brawler-style games by a company Technos Japan (now owned by some other company) that made these games based on a fictional, 80s-90s era Japanese Yankee = Delinquent (in our words, a Chhapri lmao) High Schooler named Kunio, and his misadventures around his school and city, fictionalised as 'Nekketsu School' (lol, as i said before, Nekketsu means Hot-Blooded or Hot Tempered in general) and 'River City'

games include some sort of city marathon game where you can beat others, then 'River City Ransom' where Kunio and his gang of chhapris goes around beathing the shit out of other chhapris in said river city, a Dodgeball game, a Hockey game and what not, you can read more about it all in following links



Man you surely had access to interesting games other than regular staple of Contra, Mario, Kung Fu, Load Runner etc. I fondly remember playing brick ball and alley cat on rare occasions on school computers running DOS.

Alley Cat i remember was all green :D because we had monochrome monitors. Only computer with colored screen was commodore 64. There was fight among students who would get to sit in front of commodore 64 - because you could type logo, basic commands in color.
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Man you surely had access to interesting games other than regular staple of Contra, Mario, Kung Fu, Load Runner etc. I fondly remember playing brick ball and alley cat on rare occasions on school computers
well, i had been fortunate in sense that two local game store owners were like good friends to my uncles, and they'd let me play games for almost free in exchange of doing errands for them, like sending / receiving mails and parcels, fetching cigarettes and tobacco pan masala et al from nearby pan wallahs , helping them around in their shops and so...

but still i only learnt about most things of said retro games as I got internet and was curious to know about them, my memory was good enough to help in this
 

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