Russian Ukrainian War

[Blademaster]

The cracks are already appearing. Britain will be next in line. They will also stop aid to Ukraine.

‘It’s not our children who are dying’​

On Friday, George Osborne said it was not realistic for the UK to keep backing Ukraine without US support following Trump’s victory.

“Is it realistic to expect a complete victory for Ukraine, the complete ejection of Russia from Ukrainian territory? And if it’s not, you know, it may suit our vanity in the West to say ‘plucky Ukrainians’, [but] it’s not our children who are dying,” the former chancellor said.

“It’s also totally unrealistic, in my view, to think that Europe alone, including the UK, can go on supporting Ukraine without the support of the United States, even though Joe Biden actually is rushing to spend the $61 billion that Congress recently voted in terms of American aid for Ukraine before he leaves office.”

Naturally idiot Zelensky responded with a Jedi mind trick trying to scare the west. "Details of the plan emerged as Volodymyr Zelensky warned that any attempt to make peace by appeasing Russia would mean “suicide” for Europe."

Some neocons are quoting a plan which would not make the US lose face. I wonder how they will try and spin this to make the US and the west making a deal which would be not interpreted as a Russian victory? By the way Trump just said Mike Pompeo won't be part of the new administration. He's a neocon.
"Mike Pompeo, who served as Mr Trump’s secretary of state during his first term and is now tipped to head the Pentagon, has criticised the Biden administration for providing too little help too slowly and is likely to resist a deal that could be interpreted as a Russian victory.

Trump mulls Ukraine peace plan: British troops patrolling an 800-mile buffer zone

First suggestions by president-elect to freeze war with Russia, as Putin says he is ready to talk with ‘courageous’ leader

www.telegraph.co.uk

There is no way in hell that Russians would even agree to British soldiers patrolling the borders.

 

[shade2]

There is no way in hell that Russians would even agree to British soldiers patrolling the borders.

The Russian/Brazil/Chinese version of this DEEL is sem2sem but has CIS/ex-Soviet country troops patrolling instead of the Bri'ish

 

[WW2historian]

Who is Trump - the President of the United States. He represents a country that promised to help us. It was not only Biden's promise, but also both chambers of Parliament.
That's why I talked about betrayal. Personally, I don't give a damn about begging for handouts. If he wants to be shit, let him be. It will be easier for authoritarian regimes to tear apart the lonely United States. Only together can we unite and defend our lives.

Sorry but the American people have spoken. It doesn't matter what was promised by the Biden administration. Trump is not obligated to honor any promises by the former administration. I've posted about this before. An example would be why I've said countless times why Putin won't trust the west in the long run. He knows Trump will be out of office in four years and a new President doesn't have to honor any peace deal he made with Russia. That's why I've been saying that taking Odessa is the key to a long term victory.

 

[shade2]

NATO military chief says troops would be on ground if not for Russian nukes

"If you fight in Afghanistan, that's not the same as fighting the Russians in Ukraine," Admiral Rob Bauer said on Sunday.

www.newsweek.com

Daily reminder for y'all, Nuclear program was the best decision our country ever took
Let's hope that Agni-7/Surya has Mr.Worldwide range as compared to the current "It covers China" ranges.

No nukes and Russia would end up like Saddam's Iraq, afghanistan or Yugoslavia/Serbia being bombed by NATO, same goes for us and any other country on Uncle Sam's hitlist.

I have kept Ukies aside from the nukes list because i've heard aside from Great Power scheming, they didn't have the scientists/engineers/equipment to maintain/make more nukes back in the day, like Kazakhstan

 

[Akim]

The cracks are already appearing. Britain will be next in line. They will also stop aid to Ukraine.

‘It’s not our children who are dying’​

On Friday, George Osborne said it was not realistic for the UK to keep backing Ukraine without US support following Trump’s victory.

“Is it realistic to expect a complete victory for Ukraine, the complete ejection of Russia from Ukrainian territory? And if it’s not, you know, it may suit our vanity in the West to say ‘plucky Ukrainians’, [but] it’s not our children who are dying,” the former chancellor said.

“It’s also totally unrealistic, in my view, to think that Europe alone, including the UK, can go on supporting Ukraine without the support of the United States, even though Joe Biden actually is rushing to spend the $61 billion that Congress recently voted in terms of American aid for Ukraine before he leaves office.”

Naturally idiot Zelensky responded with a Jedi mind trick trying to scare the west. "Details of the plan emerged as Volodymyr Zelensky warned that any attempt to make peace by appeasing Russia would mean “suicide” for Europe."

Some neocons are quoting a plan which would not make the US lose face. I wonder how they will try and spin this to make the US and the west making a deal which would be not interpreted as a Russian victory? By the way Trump just said Mike Pompeo won't be part of the new administration. He's a neocon.
"Mike Pompeo, who served as Mr Trump’s secretary of state during his first term and is now tipped to head the Pentagon, has criticised the Biden administration for providing too little help too slowly and is likely to resist a deal that could be interpreted as a Russian victory.

Trump mulls Ukraine peace plan: British troops patrolling an 800-mile buffer zone

First suggestions by president-elect to freeze war with Russia, as Putin says he is ready to talk with ‘courageous’ leader

www.telegraph.co.uk

Scale of Russia's losses in Ukraine revealed - as head of UK's armed forces insists country is ready for war

 

[WW2historian]

Scale of Russia's losses in Ukraine revealed - as head of UK's armed forces insists country is ready for war

This is a bit off subject, but we all need to have a break from time to time. I like Russia's sense of humor.

View: https://x.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1855698161831920018

 

[hurrians]

There is no way in hell that Russians would even agree to British soldiers patrolling the borders.

War can be fought in real world or you can have standoff like India china but in the end there is going to be a discussion (the so called chai biscuit session)

Trump has his proposal
Putin has a proposal
Zelenskies proposal has the least weightage.

The end proposal or final deal will be a blend of all the three proposals and some more including Indian back and fro.

Trump has till Jan to negotiate, he can continue after that but then 24 hr claim is there ,so a ceasefire by Jan and detailed negotiation after that .

Zelenskys ask will be to be allowed to continue on the throne , putin won't give back occupied land, America will be happy to leave the field and stop the drain on its resources but it won't be a sudden one, even the so called sudden departure in Afghanistan was after years of chai biscuit session with Taliban in Qatar.

 

[Akim]

Sorry but the American people have spoken. It doesn't matter what was promised by the Biden administration. Trump is not obligated to honor any promises by the former administration. I've posted about this before. An example would be why I've said countless times why Putin won't trust the west in the long run. He knows Trump will be out of office in four years and a new President doesn't have to honor any peace deal he made with Russia. That's why I've been saying that taking Odessa is the key to a long term victory.

Once again: I was not talking about Biden, but about the 1994 Memorandum. Indeed, the US Congress did not ratify it; everything was based on verbal agreements. But if someone takes a dump in the middle of a ballet hall (after all, this is also not prohibited), then he will lose his reputation.

 

[Akim]

This is a bit off subject, but we all need to have a break from time to time. I like Russia's sense of humor.

View: https://x.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1855698161831920018

Read more carefully.

 

[WW2historian]

Once again: I was not talking about Biden, but about the 1994 Memorandum. Indeed, the US Congress did not ratify it; everything was based on verbal agreements. But if someone takes a dump in the middle of a ballet hall (after all, this is also not prohibited), then he will lose his reputation.

I don't want to look ahead to much, but there is an excellent chance JD Vance will be the US president in four years. And this is what he said before he was elected as a US senator. "Vance, who was selected as Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump's running mate in July, has been outspoken about his opposition to U.S. aid for Ukraine. He repeatedly has said that he "doesn't care about Ukraine," including just days after the beginning of Russia's full-scale invasion." Don't you see, people in the US don't give a fuck about Ukraine, that's why they voted for him twice, once for the US senate, and then for US vice president.
My source is the Kyiv independent. https://kyivindependent.com/jd-vanc...n-ukraine-due-to-key-role-in-chip-production/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB9JCnExZUw

 

[WW2historian]

Read more carefully.

I did read it carefully, and I understand it was an attack on Trump, but that didn't change the fact that it was funny. I think a lot of women don't like Trump because his wife is way hotter than they are. Did you click on it to watch the video?

 

[Blademaster]

NATO military chief says troops would be on ground if not for Russian nukes

"If you fight in Afghanistan, that's not the same as fighting the Russians in Ukraine," Admiral Rob Bauer said on Sunday.

www.newsweek.com

Daily reminder for y'all, Nuclear program was the best decision our country ever took
Let's hope that Agni-7/Surya has Mr.Worldwide range as compared to the current "It covers China" ranges.

No nukes and Russia would end up like Saddam's Iraq, afghanistan or Yugoslavia/Serbia being bombed by NATO, same goes for us and any other country on Uncle Sam's hitlist.

I have kept Ukies aside from the nukes list because i've heard aside from Great Power scheming, they didn't have the scientists/engineers/equipment to maintain/make more nukes back in the day, like Kazakhstan

No They wouldn't been on the ground. They were not on grounds in Libya or in Syria for the most part. The US presence in Syria was very limited and was basically confined to a very limited area around Al-Tanf and stemmed from the need to fight against ISIS who took over that area and US stepped in to oust ISIS and protect the border of Iraq and Jordan.

So essentially US has no stomach for a ground war especially after Iraq War and Afghanistan War. The US knows very well that fighting in Ukraine would definitely take a turn for the worse. European nations are very loathe to do anything ground without US involvement.

 

[Akim]

I don't want to look ahead to much, but there is an excellent chance JD Vance will be the US president in four years. And this is what he said before he was elected as a US senator. "Vance, who was selected as Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump's running mate in July, has been outspoken about his opposition to U.S. aid for Ukraine. He repeatedly has said that he "doesn't care about Ukraine," including just days after the beginning of Russia's full-scale invasion." Don't you see, people in the US don't give a fuck about Ukraine, that's why they voted for him twice, once for the US senate, and then for US vice president.
My source is the Kyiv independent. https://kyivindependent.com/jd-vanc...n-ukraine-due-to-key-role-in-chip-production/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB9JCnExZUw

That's why I said that we can do without US help. It will be hard, but not fatal.
This year, until the second ten days of April, there was no American help, but the Russians continue to storm the town of Chasov Yar.
In principle, they assumed a bad scenario with American help, and that's why many underground factories are opening. Rheinmetall alone is opening 4 of them, one of them is already working.
That's why the Russians attack Odesa every night, using mopeds with thermobars. They want to get into the catacombs.
Odesa catacombs

 

[WW2historian]

NATO military chief says troops would be on ground if not for Russian nukes

"If you fight in Afghanistan, that's not the same as fighting the Russians in Ukraine," Admiral Rob Bauer said on Sunday.

www.newsweek.com

Daily reminder for y'all, Nuclear program was the best decision our country ever took
Let's hope that Agni-7/Surya has Mr.Worldwide range as compared to the current "It covers China" ranges.

No nukes and Russia would end up like Saddam's Iraq, afghanistan or Yugoslavia/Serbia being bombed by NATO, same goes for us and any other country on Uncle Sam's hitlist.

I have kept Ukies aside from the nukes list because i've heard aside from Great Power scheming, they didn't have the scientists/engineers/equipment to maintain/make more nukes back in the day, like Kazakhstan

Russia would shove Rob Bauer's wooden shoe up his ass.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Bradley in service with Russians

 

[WW2historian]

No They wouldn't been on the ground. They were not on grounds in Libya or in Syria for the most part. The US presence in Syria was very limited and was basically confined to a very limited area around Al-Tanf and stemmed from the need to fight against ISIS who took over that area and US stepped in to oust ISIS and protect the border of Iraq and Jordan.

So essentially US has no stomach for a ground war especially after Iraq War and Afghanistan War. The US knows very well that fighting in Ukraine would definitely take a turn for the worse. European nations are very loathe to do anything ground without US involvement.

That idiot said this "If you fight in Afghanistan, that's not the same as fighting the Russians in Ukraine," because the Taliban did not have nuclear weapons, Bauer said. "There is a big difference between Afghanistan and Ukraine."
I don't know where to begin. Russia would fully mobilize and that would mean millions of Russian would be fighting in Ukraine. Russia is probably saving it's best tank (T-14 Armata) just in case NATO does intervenes. The American people would not tolerate losing hundreds of thousands of our soldiers fighting the Russians. Those are some big words coming from a tiny little man from an tiny insignificant country like the Netherlands.

 

[Akim]

That's why I said that we can do without US help. It will be hard, but not fatal.
This year, until the second ten days of April, there was no American help, but the Russians continue to storm the town of Chasov Yar.
In principle, they assumed a bad scenario with American help, and that's why many underground factories are opening. Rheinmetall alone is opening 4 of them, one of them is already working.

Rheinmetall and ICEYE provided Ukraine with satellite images

 

[Soldier35]

Footage has been published of the evacuation of a Ukrainian armored vehicle, the American-made Cougar H, by Russian repair units. The Cougar H armored vehicle was damaged and abandoned in the Kursk region of Russia by Ukrainian units. The Cougar H MRAP has been produced by the American company Force Protection Inc since 2002; there are 4x4 and 6x6 versions. These combat vehicles were first used in Iraq by the US Marine Corps sapper units. According to open data, Ukraine has received about 30 Cougar MRAP armored vehicles. The standard armament of the Cougar H is a 7.62 mm or 12.7 mm machine gun. The Cougar H armored vehicle is equipped with anti-mine protection capable of withstanding an explosion of 14 kg of TNT under any wheel or 7 kg of TNT under the hull. The Cougar 4x4 weighs from 14 to 17 tons, it can carry up to 6 people, including a crew of 2.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gr4MhHppqo

 

[karn]

I don't want to look ahead to much, but there is an excellent chance JD Vance will be the US president in four years. And this is what he said before he was elected as a US senator. "Vance, who was selected as Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump's running mate in July, has been outspoken about his opposition to U.S. aid for Ukraine. He repeatedly has said that he "doesn't care about Ukraine," including just days after the beginning of Russia's full-scale invasion." Don't you see, people in the US don't give a fuck about Ukraine, that's why they voted for him twice, once for the US senate, and then for US vice president.
My source is the Kyiv independent. https://kyivindependent.com/jd-vanc...n-ukraine-due-to-key-role-in-chip-production/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB9JCnExZUw

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJUvK6s4nCk&ab_channel=AFPNewsAgency

Zelensky visited a Pennsylvania ammo plant. It seemed to me that this move was not popular with americans. And with the elections it seems that sentiment is more or less confirmed.
We have a very democratic rejection of ukraine by the american people.
And JD Vance being so vocal on the issue is surprising .. usually there is some face saving involved .
Being americas ally is indeed fatal.
In this video is also Josh Shapiro the 2nd most probable pick for VP by Kamala .

 

[WW2historian]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJUvK6s4nCk&ab_channel=AFPNewsAgency

Zelensky visited a Pennsylvania ammo plant. It seemed to me that this move was not popular with americans. And with the elections it seems that sentiment is more or less confirmed.
We have a very democratic rejection of ukraine by the american people.
And JD Vance being so vocal on the issue is surprising .. usually there is some face saving involved .
Being americas ally is indeed fatal.
In this video is also Josh Shapiro the 2nd most probable pick for VP by Kamala .

It's interesting that youtube video said it was blocked. I was able to see it. Maybe this link will work.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJUvK6s4nCk