Russian Ukrainian War

[Blademaster]

Zelensky Is About to Lose This Round to the Peace Moves

President Trump has effectively sidelined Ukraine’s Zelensky. He has already spoken with Putin and plans to meet him soon. Meanwhile, NATO is feeling the pressure as future U.S. support appears uncertain.

While NATO leaders may protest, Trump is shifting the responsibility of defence onto European nations. In truth, this is a positive move. It redefines NATO from an aggressive and defensive alliance to a purely defensive one.

Russia’s leadership is struggling under the weight of war. Its economy is in disarray, ranking only seventh globally, leaving it in no position to launch new offensives unless provoked into an all-out confrontation. That didn’t happen in Ukraine. While Ukraine put up a strong fight, it ultimately could not withstand Russia’s military pressure. The result? Lost territory and 200,000 casualties.

Then came the U.S. leadership change in January 2025. The new administration took a different approach, signalling a willingness to pursue peace. While the U.S. remains at odds with Putin, peace has taken priority. Zelensky’s and NATO’s opinions carry little weight in this shift, and it now appears that peace is finally within reach for Ukraine.

Going forward, European nations will be responsible for their own defence that is the Trump doctrine, and he intends to stand by it in his effort to make America great again.

For the Ukrainian public, weary from years of war, this may finally be a welcome development.

Ukraine has lost way more than 200k people. As for Russia struggling under the weight of war, well let's see what comes out. Check out reports regarding Russia's GDP increases for 2023 and 2024.

 

[WW2historian]

Zelensky Is About to Lose This Round to the Peace Moves

President Trump has effectively sidelined Ukraine’s Zelensky. He has already spoken with Putin and plans to meet him soon. Meanwhile, NATO is feeling the pressure as future U.S. support appears uncertain.

While NATO leaders may protest, Trump is shifting the responsibility of defence onto European nations. In truth, this is a positive move. It redefines NATO from an aggressive and defensive alliance to a purely defensive one.

Russia’s leadership is struggling under the weight of war. Its economy is in disarray, ranking only seventh globally, leaving it in no position to launch new offensives unless provoked into an all-out confrontation. That didn’t happen in Ukraine. While Ukraine put up a strong fight, it ultimately could not withstand Russia’s military pressure. The result? Lost territory and 200,000 casualties.

Then came the U.S. leadership change in January 2025. The new administration took a different approach, signalling a willingness to pursue peace. While the U.S. remains at odds with Putin, peace has taken priority. Zelensky’s and NATO’s opinions carry little weight in this shift, and it now appears that peace is finally within reach for Ukraine.

Going forward, European nations will be responsible for their own defence that is the Trump doctrine, and he intends to stand by it in his effort to make America great again.

For the Ukrainian public, weary from years of war, this may finally be a welcome development.

Putin has convinced Trump of a very obvious fact. Zelensky is illegitimate because he cancelled elections. As you all know, I live in the US and people are not happy about that fact. All the democrats are still pissed at Trump for trying to undo the election with the Jan. 6th riot in 2021. How can the democrats defend Zelensky cancelling elections? They can't, and it's just becomes another great reason to hold elections, or make Zelensky resign. Putin is buying more time to take a lot more Ukrainian territory, and doing so only strengthens his position.

 

[Soldier35]

An episode of the battle of the Russian 6th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Lisichansk Cossack Brigade. The video shows the use of, presumably, a T-72 tank with Tsar-Mangal protection during the assault on a Ukrainian army stronghold near the village of Verkhnekamenskoye, in the Seversky direction of the Donbass. Judging by the video, this time the Russian Tsar-Mangal protection was also effective. The Russian tank is attacked by Ukrainian drones, but they are unable to cause critical damage to it. The video also shows that Russian soldiers are using motorcycles to quickly move the infantry. After delivering the infantry, the tank goes to its original positions, and the infantry begins to storm the building. The video is shortened.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDyNHBcJ4s4

 

[Akim]

Four or five years ago Europe had 1.5 times the factories, but not today. Russia has gone all out on military production, that's why their economy grew at 4.3% last year, which stunned the west. Uralvagonzavod has produced nothing but military weapons for the last two years. Also Russia has built more military factories. Basically they have all the essentials they need and have gone into a full military economy.

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Russia's UVZ halts all secondary output, begins tank mass production

Russia's Uralvagonzavod [UVZ] halts all secondary output, begins tank mass production. Such consolidation of assets can be seen as game-changing, even radical.

bulgarianmilitary.com

What new factories did Russia build? They increased productivity, but in old factories.

 

[WW2historian]

What new factories did Russia build? They increased productivity, but in old factories.

I should have worded it differently. I didn't mean they built a new building from scratch, but rather converted building and malls into military factories. It's less expensive and more effective. Also they forced Russian teens at gun point to build drones. I just could not resist the sarcasm.

Russia converts mall, forces teens to build kamikaze drones​

Aug 23, 2023
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By Ryan Robertson (Anchor, Investigative Reporter)
Call it a sign of the times for the Russian economy. A shopping mall is being turned into a factory to make kamikaze or suicide drones. At the same time, teenagers are being forced to build the weapons of war.

Russia converts mall, forces teens to build kamikaze drones

A shopping mall in Russia will be used to make suicide drones. At the same time, teenagers are being forced to build the weapons of war.

san.com

 

[craigs]

What new factories did Russia build? They increased productivity, but in old factories.

Yeah like they are supposed to provide annual reports to you. Only Russia has "old" factories meanwhile Ukraine and Europe have shining new giga factories right?

 

[Spitfire IX]

Ukraine has lost way more than 200k people. As for Russia struggling under the weight of war, well let's see what comes out. Check out reports regarding Russia's GDP increases for 2023 and 2024.

Any country's GDP should increase if the government (a) increases payments to the country's citizens (eg army signup bonuses, death and injury payments), which can be spent on locally produced goods and services and (b) spends much more heavily on buying domestically produced armaments. However 2025 promises to see contraction in retail sales, transport, home building sectors compared with 2024.

 

[Akim]

Yeah like they are supposed to provide annual reports to you. Only Russia has "old" factories meanwhile Ukraine and Europe have shining new giga factories right?

Old does not mean vintage. It may be modernized, modern equipment installed, but it is still the same military plant. Only the number of shifts has increased and it works 24/7. European military factories are still operating on a “peacetime” schedule.

 

[WW2historian]

Old does not mean vintage. It may be modernized, modern equipment installed, but it is still the same military plant. Only the number of shifts has increased and it works 24/7. European military factories are still operating on a “peacetime” schedule.

If European factories are operating on a peacetime schedule, then they proved they lied when they said they will be Russians next target after Ukraine. If they really believed they are next they would be operating on a wartime schedule.

 

[Akim]

If European factories are operating on a peacetime schedule, then they proved they lied when they said they will be Russians next target after Ukraine. If they really believed they are next they would be operating on a wartime schedule.

They are like sheep: - It's good that it wasn't us.
Actually, with supplies from the USA, the "peace schedule" was enough for them. Now this can be revised. This should have been done "the day before yesterday", but it is what it is.
Many are tired of war. Not everyone understands the tactics of wearing down the enemy and already 45% of Ukrainians agree to territorial concessions. Idiots.
Here's something similar with European countries. The further from Russia, the worse the perception of danger.
As for the military industry, the geopolitical situation is completely unclear now. In Denmark, they are really worried about Greenland.

 

[Soldier35]

The video shows three FPV drones "Vandal", controlled via fiber optic cable, striking a Ukrainian T-64BV tank in the village of Sverdlikovo, Kursk region of Russia. The tank is equipped with Ukrainian mesh protection "Mangal". The tank was attacked by three drones, after the second drone strike, the T-64 tank crew abandoned the combat vehicle. The FPV drone "Vandal", abbreviated "KVN", was used by the 56th Airborne Assault Regiment of the 7th Division of the Russian Airborne Forces.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw8aJgZ0TQg

 

[WW2historian]

They are like sheep: - It's good that it wasn't us.
Actually, with supplies from the USA, the "peace schedule" was enough for them. Now this can be revised. This should have been done "the day before yesterday", but it is what it is.
Many are tired of war. Not everyone understands the tactics of wearing down the enemy and already 45% of Ukrainians agree to territorial concessions. Idiots.
Here's something similar with European countries. The further from Russia, the worse the perception of danger.
As for the military industry, the geopolitical situation is completely unclear now. In Denmark, they are really worried about Greenland.

By worse do you mean that they are not worried about danger, but they should be? I'm assuming no, because France and the UK seem to be the 2 biggest warmonger countries, and they are the furthest from Russia.

 

[craigs]

Old does not mean vintage. It may be modernized, modern equipment installed, but it is still the same military plant. Only the number of shifts has increased and it works 24/7. European military factories are still operating on a “peacetime” schedule.

Cope mofo cope. Peacetime vs wartime. Hehehehehehehehe .... To operate in wartime mode it needs cheap energy which Russia has and Europe doesn't.

 

[Spitfire IX]

By worse do you mean that they are not worried about danger, but they should be? I'm assuming no, because France and the UK seem to be the 2 biggest warmonger countries, and they are the furthest from Russia.

If you think that UK or France wanted a war in Ukraine you are entirely mistaken. Both countries wanted Ukraine to remain a country at peace, free to do as it chose.

Russia could not tolerate Ukraine being free to choose its own destiny and invaded the country to remove its freedom to pursue a policy Russia did not like.

Whatever else Putin can be accused of, he cannot be accused of supporting freedom, democracy or peace. He is a warmongering tyrant.

 

[craigs]

Whatever else Putin can be accused of, he cannot be accused of supporting freedom and democracy.

Putin does not support freedumb and democrazy. Fixed it for you.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Putin does not support freedumb and democrazy. Fixed it for you.

If I understand you, you think that it's dumb to be free?

 

[maximus777]

Freedom/democracy and such are all ideals to be discussed in intellectual circles. At the very basic level, it is a fight for Ruski's influence/interests in its immediate backyard. They have shown the balls to take murderous losses but still keep at it. Now it's time for the so called European giants to grow a pair and man up. If not, STFU and be Ruskis cuck.

If you think the French/German/Brits have found some kind of brotherhood with the Ukrainian slavs, then I have a bridge to sell you. They were only willing to fight till the last slav in Europe and the last $$ from the US!

 

[Blademaster]

If you think that UK or France wanted a war in Ukraine you are entirely mistaken. Both countries wanted Ukraine to remain a country at peace, free to do as it chose.

Russia could not tolerate Ukraine being free to choose its own destiny and invaded the country to remove its freedom to pursue a policy Russia did not like.

Whatever else Putin can be accused of, he cannot be accused of supporting freedom, democracy or peace. He is a warmongering tyrant.

I call bullshit on your post. If they truly wanted peace they wouldn’t have encouraged the violent overthrow of the government back in 2014 but let the democratic process play itself out and not encourage the nazi regime to violently suppress Russian speaking population in Donbas and Luhansk.

What you wrote is just pure propaganda. Macron and Boris Johnson are war criminals and need to be prosecuted as such.

 

[Akim]

By worse do you mean that they are not worried about danger, but they should be? I'm assuming no, because France and the UK seem to be the 2 biggest warmonger countries, and they are the furthest from Russia.

By the way, why didn't they write here that we recently received the first three Mirage 2000-5F? There will be more than 20 such jets in total. This is in addition to our Su-24M, although the government in Syria has changed and spare parts for them have appeared too.

Here GB recently gave us these new SAMs. Now 2, there will be 17 in total. In general, they were engaged in the conversion of R-73s earlier. They are installed on modernized SAM Osa and a naval drone with it recently shot down a Russian helicopter. However, the more AD, the better. In general, Britain supplied us with SAMs convertible with AIM-132, but they have a small stock of missiles, but we have a lot of R-73s.
I don't even want to comment on the nonsense about "warmongers". These are the words of Hitler in 1939.

 

[WW2historian]

If you think that UK or France wanted a war in Ukraine you are entirely mistaken. Both countries wanted Ukraine to remain a country at peace, free to do as it chose.

Russia could not tolerate Ukraine being free to choose its own destiny and invaded the country to remove its freedom to pursue a policy Russia did not like.

Whatever else Putin can be accused of, he cannot be accused of supporting freedom, democracy or peace. He is a warmongering tyrant.

I'm entirely mistaken then, at least from your point of view. Boris Johnson sure in the hell didn't want peace and neither did Macron. For over 30 years Ukraine joining NATO was a redline for Russia. Ukraine and the rest of the west thought that was a bluff, and if blew up in their stupid fucking faces. Even some very smart western analyst said the same fucking thing since the early 90s. It's the stupid dumb fucks like Biden who fucked this whole thing up.

Official: Johnson Forced Kyiv To Refuse Russian Peace Deal

Russia was “ready to end the war if we took neutrality,” Ukraine’s former top negotiator confirmed, but Boris Johnson said, “let’s just fight.”

europeanconservative.com

" I see these as complementary. Russian leaders and many Western analysts warned from the 1990s onward that NATO enlargement would inflame Russian nationalism and imperil East-West relations. Correlation is not causation, but it is striking that what former Russian president Boris Yeltsin and others warned about is exactly what has happened. Put another way, Russian nationalism and imperialism did not develop in a vacuum. By providing nationalists such as President Vladimir Putin with a cause and challenging Russian claims to influence in its near abroad, NATO enlargement shaped the thuggish Russian nationalism we see today. Further NATO enlargement to Ukraine promises to reinforce the situation by playing into the basest of Russian identity.

There are additional reasons to think Russian behavior has a lot to do with NATO expansion."

Why NATO Should Be Cautious About Admitting Ukraine

Members’ interests don’t outweigh the risks.

carnegieendowment.org