Small Arms and Weapons

How does the gun laws in India work when it comes to this? He is still a civilian and the guys in PSD are now civilians inspite of being ex mil.
there's some special permit thing .

Afaik , serving men can also buy weapons in Prohibited bore but they must surrender the weapon when service ends .
 
The Pakistani 'Bastard' AK 203 - VSK 100-3

Pakistani army and paramilitary forces have been seen using a new AKM derivative made in Belarus is recent years. The Pakistanis have previously attempted license manufacture the AK 103 under the auspices of Russia however the AK 203 deal with India has closed this avenue in 2019.



https://theprint.in/defence/russia-...s-assures-india-of-no-deals-in-future/264004/

This left a vacuum in the 'submachine gun' category of small arms of the Pakistani forces who have been using the Type 56 rifles in some form for over half a century. Pakistan had even produced a semi-official AK 103 copy called the SMG PK 21 with an accuracy of >3.5 MOA and a 400m effective range, however this variant never entered mainstream service.

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The Belarussians with the silent blessing of Russia, stepped into the vacuum with their VSK-100 rifle offering which was a 'fork' of the AK 103M/AK 203 in all but name.



https://modernfirearms.net/en/assault-rifles/belarus-assault-rifles/vsk-100-2/

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Review of the VSK 100-3 by a serving Pakistan army/police personnel. Key points about the weapon :
  • Full length picatinny rails
  • Upper and lower polymer handguards with picatinny rails at 12'o clock and 6'o clock positions
  • Provision for picatinny rails at 3'o clock and 9'o clock positions like the AK 103 series
  • Improved polymer pistol grip
  • Higher quality recoil spring guide rod
  • Hinged dust cover
  • Vepr style folding stock with cheek riser. (Folding factory stock will NOT accept any AK/Saiga stock because it does not use a standard AK type rear trunnion.)
  • No lightening cuts on gas block or bolt-carrier group (but lighter)
  • 1975 Type 56-2 pattern side adaptor (sights)
  • Izhmash Side-Stamped style steel AK magazines
  • Mostly issued iron sights and sometimes with red dot or Chinese thermal sights

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8EbUzaWkwYM


Key differences between the AK 203/ VSK 100/ Type 56-2

Feature/ WeaponAK 203 (Shreshta)VSK 100-3Type 56-2
Caliber7.62x39 mm7.62x39 mm 7.62x39 mm
OperationLong stroke gas pistonLong stroke gas pistonLong stroke gas piston
Accuracy2-3 MOA3+ MOA>3.5 MOA
Effective Range300 - 400 m300 - 400 m<350 m
Weight3.8 kg without a magazine4.3 kg with an empty magazine3.9 kg+ without a magazine
Rate of Fire700 rounds/min900 rounds/min600 rounds/min
Muzzle Velocity715 m/s770 m/s710 m/s
Cost$1100$780$120
ManufacturerIndo Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL)Pakistan Ordnance Factory (POF)Pakistan Ordnance Factory (POF)
ConstructionStamped Steel, PolymerStamped Steel, PolymerStamped Steel, Bakelite
Magazine Capacity30 rounds30 rounds30 rounds
Magazine StyleRussian Slab-SideVepr Side-StampedType 56 Side-Stamped
Per Rifle4-54-54-5
Butt Stock TypeFolding AK 103MFolding VeprFolding Steel
Dust CoverHingedHingedRemoveable
Dust Cover Picatinny RailYesYesNo
Dust Cover Retention LeverYesNoNo
Muzzle DeviceBirdcage Type MuzzleNoNo
HandguardRailed AK 203Railed VeprWooden
Picatinny Handguard Rail12, 6'O Clock (3,9 optional)12, 6'O Clock (3,9 optional)No
Selector LeverAK 203 Thumb SelectorAKM StyleAKM Style
Pistol GripAK 203 StyleMolot StyleAKM Style
ForegripYesYesNo

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I read about it and searched on internet a bit,
Belarussian VSK-100-3 here is nothing but militarised version of Russian Molot Vepr FM AK-47-21


Molot plant was/is the only plant in Russia that manufactured RPK pattern Kalashnikov LMGs there, and since they were enlarged AKs in LMG format, it had got reinforced front trunnion, thicker profile barrel, slightly enlarged handguards, a slightly more angled buttstock means rear trunnion was also different than standard AK or AKM and such strengthened parts, of course it means rifle's also going bulky at 4.2 kg on empty magazine 🤷‍♂️

So Molot guys provided ToT to Belarus, they militarised their civilian export oriented shortened RPK-based AK and sold it back to Porkies

no wonder it's gotten some 900 rounds per minute firing rate and 'higher quality' recoil spring as its RPK based AK in standard configuration, but you'll also see it also makes it jump around a lot, and despite having a threaded muzzle there (hidden under thread protector) they don't seem to providing any muzzle device from the factory to compensate for muzzle climb 🤷‍♂️

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5rCkqtalyU
just refer to more videos on this channel

i also assume that if it's original RPK fork there, they wouldn't have put any hammer retarder - a part in AKM and above Kalashnikovs that delays slamming of hammer by momentarily obstructing its movement, for better controllability on full auto as well more constant full auto fire rate - thus further making it uncontrollable for most people on full auto

the only net positive i see regarding this VSK-100-3 here is, since it's RPK fork in standard AK-ish size and configuration, i am assuming its thicker barrel would provide far more continuous full auto firing ability than your standard AKs, it's more tolerant for such things

and perhaps for ~800 some US$ per rifle it's in acceptable price range for a bhikhmanga cuntry like porkshitstain too lol

reminder, Russians themselves modernised RPK series with RPK-16, a swappable barrel LMG in 5.45x39mm but their experiences in Ukraine shown it to be rather bulky and redundant when standard AKs can serve same role just fine
 
How does the gun laws in India work when it comes to this? He is still a civilian and the guys in PSD are now civilians inspite of being ex mil.

You need a license from the home ministry to get prohibited weapons and then an export license. I am guessing they must have probably created a company got the licenses for the company and then a retainer for the PSO to carry the weapons\use the weapons.
 
How does the gun laws in India work when it comes to this? He is still a civilian and the guys in PSD are now civilians inspite of being ex mil.
:sneaky: laws, for younger scion the baron of the richest merchant in India?!
ek suitcase bhar ke paisa fenkega woh sab laws apne aap rasta de denge
 
I read about it and searched on internet a bit,
Belarussian VSK-100-3 here is nothing but militarised version of Russian Molot Vepr FM AK-47-21


Molot plant was/is the only plant in Russia that manufactured RPK pattern Kalashnikov LMGs there, and since they were enlarged AKs in LMG format, it had got reinforced front trunnion, thicker profile barrel, slightly enlarged handguards, a slightly more angled buttstock means rear trunnion was also different than standard AK or AKM and such strengthened parts, of course it means rifle's also going bulky at 4.2 kg on empty magazine 🤷‍♂️

So Molot guys provided ToT to Belarus, they militarised their civilian export oriented shortened RPK-based AK and sold it back to Porkies

no wonder it's gotten some 900 rounds per minute firing rate and 'higher quality' recoil spring as its RPK based AK in standard configuration, but you'll also see it also makes it jump around a lot, and despite having a threaded muzzle there (hidden under thread protector) they don't seem to providing any muzzle device from the factory to compensate for muzzle climb 🤷‍♂️

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5rCkqtalyU
just refer to more videos on this channel

i also assume that if it's original RPK fork there, they wouldn't have put any hammer retarder - a part in AKM and above Kalashnikovs that delays slamming of hammer by momentarily obstructing its movement, for better controllability on full auto as well more constant full auto fire rate - thus further making it uncontrollable for most people on full auto

the only net positive i see regarding this VSK-100-3 here is, since it's RPK fork in standard AK-ish size and configuration, i am assuming its thicker barrel would provide far more continuous full auto firing ability than your standard AKs, it's more tolerant for such things

and perhaps for ~800 some US$ per rifle it's in acceptable price range for a bhikhmanga cuntry like porkshitstain too lol

reminder, Russians themselves modernised RPK series with RPK-16, a swappable barrel LMG in 5.45x39mm but their experiences in Ukraine shown it to be rather bulky and redundant when standard AKs can serve same role just fine

That video is absolutely jarring to watch. I noticed the following points :
  • Super high recoil
It's high enough to the point where just holding down the gun straight requires a lot of upper body strength.
  • Lack of on target accuracy
MOA is easily 3-4 at 100m which makes this more of a SAW than an assault rifle since the muzzle keeps bobbing up and down.
  • Poor ergonomics
The handguard has the old ribbed style RPK ones. Railed handguards are probably not standard issue. The jitter will prevent any day/thermal/LPVO sights to be used properly and any holographic sights would find it hard to maintain 0.

Quite frankly a Type 56 AK with an FAB defence kit offers more value for money ($800 for the VSK vs ~$850 for the FAB kit).
 
That video is absolutely jarring to watch. I noticed the following points :
  • Super high recoil
It's high enough to the point where just holding down the gun straight requires a lot of upper body strength.
  • Lack of on target accuracy
MOA is easily 3-4 at 100m which makes this more of a SAW than an assault rifle since the muzzle keeps bobbing up and down.
  • Poor ergonomics
The handguard has the old ribbed style RPK ones. Railed handguards are probably not standard issue. The jitter will prevent any day/thermal/LPVO sights to be used properly and any holographic sights would find it hard to maintain 0.

Quite frankly a Type 56 AK with an FAB defence kit offers more value for money ($800 for the VSK vs ~$850 for the FAB kit).
vampyr bhau what surprised me most is, porkshitstainis literally inducted chinese AKs and SKSes much earlier than us, as evident from '71 war surrender photos and videos, they laid it down in surrender grounds...meanwhile for us Kalashnikov pattern rifles remained a 'special forces' thing for most part till at least IPKF things - so they're much more experienced with the platform and also locally manufacture Type-56 there, AND YET they're going after a belarussian AK/RPK fork just to match our AK-203i here? 🤷‍♂️
a reminder, they even predated us for good 10 years at least when it comes to upgrading existing AK stocks with aftermarket parts kits, i mean i remember seeing their upgraded Type-56s with top rails and railed handguards and front grip and bipod grips and all things back in 2010 times of Pee Dee Eff while our guys only got it in 2015 onwards at least

there are some other things that kinda amuses me, like, aren't these porkshitstainis churning out Kalashnikov copies in calibres that perhaps even russians themselves didn't make at their side in sweatshops of khyber ghat? ranging from 7.62x25mm to .222, 7.62 NATO / .308, even .30-06 and 12-gauge Saiga analogues - and YET...

then they also have churned out H&K's roller delayed blowback system aka G3/MP5 forks in lots of different calibres (some of them were made by H&K guys themselves but didn't see success) and configurations - including in 7.62x39mm (CW-39); they literally made a fork of PSG-1 one of the best semi auto DMR out there, to denote their mastery over the platform, and their POF made MP5s are already a standard issue SMG there, nowadays they're making modernised iteration of G3 itself with some prototype taking SR-25 pattern AR mags (BW-20) and some other prototype that externally looks like AR-10 but feeds from G3 magazine (BW-21), both taking AR pattern trigger groups with standard G3 ejector blade lever - and YET...

but anyways, since focus of this thread is small arms, let's try to evaluate it all with that focus and neutral overview

so, VKS-100-3 does seem to have screwed sections of rails on 3 and 9 positions on sides of lower handguards, for attaching lights and lasers etc, then that AK-203-ish hinged top railed cover BUT here they didn't provide a separate locking lever that's on AK-203? are they relying on that 'higher quality recoil spring' thing like typical AK? then there are some chances of top mounted optics and stuff loosing some zero after taking it apart again and again, i think, then no tactical tabbed fire selector?

i also believe that training plays a role in making any weapon effective, i personally like vietnamese approach on Kalashnikov a lot, where they would spray-and-pray at enemies up closer ranges but at some distance they'd go 'finger tapping' i.e. taking two-round controlled bursts on full auto setting;
is this the way these porkshitstainis are also going to use it in actual combat zone ? then perhaps yes this kind of setup may work 'just good enough' - but going full auto on this, while not properly weighing on it with proper posture as well as maintaining muzzle climb by gripping it properly, will only make it go bang-bang-up-in-the-sky as evident from videos...even if you discount controllability on full auto, a muzzle device would've vented the gases more properly around a firing muzzle and keeping muzzle blast away from a shooter's aim...but...yeah 🤷‍♂️

But those videos seems more or less from endurance testing where they're dumping ammo after ammo, and given that it's RPK based rifle with thicker barrel profile it may survive those things just fine, perhaps more videos by actual military shooters where it's actually tested for accuracy on single shot and controlled burst and showing what kind of spread/groupings it forms on targets would give us a chance to make a better opinion in this regard - for now it seems average

i think on semi auto, this slightly longer and heavier profile barrel here would give it some edge, they mentioned slightly higher muzzle velocity there, heck they even put RPK style windage adjustable rear iron sight there, but nothing that other modern AKs can't compete with here; rather I think putting suppressors here would be a little challenging in practice as this is already overgassed AK thing here and putting a suppressor would further blow more gasses towards the piston, perhaps that 'higher quality recoil spring' is intended with those stuffs in mind ? but even without suppressors it's already cycling faster

well their standard issue AK that locally manufactured Type-56 copy itself is a design that lacks AKM features - no muzzle device, no hammer retarder to control full auto rate and so...so this 'upgraded' AK is more or less similar in basic handling and operations, except now it's got a thicker profile barrel plus railed handguards on top to mount some optical sight; so they really don't seem to expecting much here just a newer AK to supplement or replace older ones they know so well, so overall a fine deal

the most 'practical' aspect of this deal is, they're getting a brand new rifle with necessary rails here there for same price of upgrading existing Type-56 with aftermarket parts kits, something that matches our AK-203i even for looks, rest i'm not sure if they're really expecting anything significant here
 
vampyr bhau what surprised me most is, porkshitstainis literally inducted chinese AKs and SKSes much earlier than us, as evident from '71 war surrender photos and videos, they laid it down in surrender grounds...meanwhile for us Kalashnikov pattern rifles remained a 'special forces' thing for most part till at least IPKF things - so they're much more experienced with the platform and also locally manufacture Type-56 there, AND YET they're going after a belarussian AK/RPK fork just to match our AK-203i here? 🤷‍♂️
a reminder, they even predated us for good 10 years at least when it comes to upgrading existing AK stocks with aftermarket parts kits, i mean i remember seeing their upgraded Type-56s with top rails and railed handguards and front grip and bipod grips and all things back in 2010 times of Pee Dee Eff while our guys only got it in 2015 onwards at least

there are some other things that kinda amuses me, like, aren't these porkshitstainis churning out Kalashnikov copies in calibres that perhaps even russians themselves didn't make at their side in sweatshops of khyber ghat? ranging from 7.62x25mm to .222, 7.62 NATO / .308, even .30-06 and 12-gauge Saiga analogues - and YET...

then they also have churned out H&K's roller delayed blowback system aka G3/MP5 forks in lots of different calibres (some of them were made by H&K guys themselves but didn't see success) and configurations - including in 7.62x39mm (CW-39); they literally made a fork of PSG-1 one of the best semi auto DMR out there, to denote their mastery over the platform, and their POF made MP5s are already a standard issue SMG there, nowadays they're making modernised iteration of G3 itself with some prototype taking SR-25 pattern AR mags (BW-20) and some other prototype that externally looks like AR-10 but feeds from G3 magazine (BW-21), both taking AR pattern trigger groups with standard G3 ejector blade lever - and YET...

but anyways, since focus of this thread is small arms, let's try to evaluate it all with that focus and neutral overview

so, VKS-100-3 does seem to have screwed sections of rails on 3 and 9 positions on sides of lower handguards, for attaching lights and lasers etc, then that AK-203-ish hinged top railed cover BUT here they didn't provide a separate locking lever that's on AK-203? are they relying on that 'higher quality recoil spring' thing like typical AK? then there are some chances of top mounted optics and stuff loosing some zero after taking it apart again and again, i think, then no tactical tabbed fire selector?

i also believe that training plays a role in making any weapon effective, i personally like vietnamese approach on Kalashnikov a lot, where they would spray-and-pray at enemies up closer ranges but at some distance they'd go 'finger tapping' i.e. taking two-round controlled bursts on full auto setting;
is this the way these porkshitstainis are also going to use it in actual combat zone ? then perhaps yes this kind of setup may work 'just good enough' - but going full auto on this, while not properly weighing on it with proper posture as well as maintaining muzzle climb by gripping it properly, will only make it go bang-bang-up-in-the-sky as evident from videos...even if you discount controllability on full auto, a muzzle device would've vented the gases more properly around a firing muzzle and keeping muzzle blast away from a shooter's aim...but...yeah 🤷‍♂️

But those videos seems more or less from endurance testing where they're dumping ammo after ammo, and given that it's RPK based rifle with thicker barrel profile it may survive those things just fine, perhaps more videos by actual military shooters where it's actually tested for accuracy on single shot and controlled burst and showing what kind of spread/groupings it forms on targets would give us a chance to make a better opinion in this regard - for now it seems average

i think on semi auto, this slightly longer and heavier profile barrel here would give it some edge, they mentioned slightly higher muzzle velocity there, heck they even put RPK style windage adjustable rear iron sight there, but nothing that other modern AKs can't compete with here; rather I think putting suppressors here would be a little challenging in practice as this is already overgassed AK thing here and putting a suppressor would further blow more gasses towards the piston, perhaps that 'higher quality recoil spring' is intended with those stuffs in mind ? but even without suppressors it's already cycling faster

well their standard issue AK that locally manufactured Type-56 copy itself is a design that lacks AKM features - no muzzle device, no hammer retarder to control full auto rate and so...so this 'upgraded' AK is more or less similar in basic handling and operations, except now it's got a thicker profile barrel plus railed handguards on top to mount some optical sight; so they really don't seem to expecting much here just a newer AK to supplement or replace older ones they know so well, so overall a fine deal

the most 'practical' aspect of this deal is, they're getting a brand new rifle with necessary rails here there for same price of upgrading existing Type-56 with aftermarket parts kits, something that matches our AK-203i even for looks, rest i'm not sure if they're really expecting anything significant here
Fair enough.

If the barrel was 20 inch in length and the Pakistanis used 40-75 round canvas bag magazines then this would be a really good SAW.

I personally feel that the RPD was not optimised for today's battlefields and thus lost out to the PKM as a GPMG but an AK style SAW is still in vogue in CQB.

The VSK 100-3 with a better muzzle device, bipods and 75 round box magazine would be decent at CQB room sweeping/door kicking.

Anything more than 200-300 m and this rifle won't hit anything, probably worse than a decent build Type 56-1 capable of 2-3 MOA.
 
Fair enough.

If the barrel was 20 inch in length and the Pakistanis used 40-75 round canvas bag magazines then this would be a really good SAW.

I personally feel that the RPD was not optimised for today's battlefields and thus lost out to the PKM as a GPMG but an AK style SAW is still in vogue in CQB.

The VSK 100-3 with a better muzzle device, bipods and 75 round box magazine would be decent at CQB room sweeping/door kicking.

Anything more than 200-300 m and this rifle won't hit anything, probably worse than a decent build Type 56-1 capable of 2-3 MOA.
Rpk replaced rpd because Soviet thought belts to be heavy and once you run out of belt then you have no ammo
With rpk you can take same magzine as comrade
Rather than using vsk 100 3 for cqb why not just use std AK with drum mag only down side is less rpm
 
Rpk replaced rpd because Soviet thought belts to be heavy and once you run out of belt then you have no ammo
With rpk you can take same magzine as comrade
Rather than using vsk 100 3 for cqb why not just use std AK with drum mag only down side is less rpm
You may be putting less rounds on target but the sustained rate of fire and subsequent suppression will be much higher. With a better muzzle device such as the one shown below, accuracy will also improve marginally.
  • Thicker barrel
  • 900 rpm
  • Reinforced trunnion and handguard
  • Angled buttstock
  • Lighter weight than an RPK
  • 16.3'' barrel vs 23.2'' on the RPK
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New bottle, some aged wine!- DRDO MCIWS- 6.8..
Nice presentation by Sandeep Sir.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRLjqW4uSD4

nice videos but some inaccuracies
> he called this "first prototype" of MCIWS, well there's some difference, the very first prototype of MCIWS with '2013' printed on receiver, was coming with a different gas block design and different, AR-15-ish fixed but collapsible (means length adjustable) buttstock
MCIWS-2.webp
MCIWS-3.webp
here, da O G MCIWS in 7.62x39mm magazine minus the barrel
MCIWS 7.62 x 39mm.webp
and here's the very first video of O G MCIWS i know

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb9cgl9y148
it's same rifle as above in pic

i also believe that O G 2013 era MCIWS was probably long stroke gas piston system rifle, Discovery Channel guys put an episode of "Inside Out: DRDO" where early design of MCIWS was flashed momentarily, and you can see it yourself
MCIWS Early Variant Internals.webp
the long operating rod, the piston attached to operating rod, gas vented straight to the piston (hence long stroke gas piston system design here) - then recoil spring housed inside the cavity of bolt carrier-operating rod thing...early MCIWS was quite literally similar to Daewoo K-2 in lots of ways - except K-2 used AR-15 trigger group while MCIWS chose Kalashnikov trigger group (which also contributed a little in making its receiver a little lengthier due to the way AK trigger parts are installed in a receiver)

MCIWS Working.gif

now even if 2013 pattern MCIWS had short stroke gas piston system of some flavour, i find it hard to believe due to what i see in pics and videos...the gas block is without any removable part or any plug, the end of operating rod literally has gas piston rings etched around it, plus there are no gas ports to vent out excess remaining of gases on gas block but a big opening where it ends...makes me think it really was AK-ish long stroke gas piston design, OR JUST IN CASE it was short stroke gas piston thing with a long operating rod, it was some fixed setting tiny gas piston housed in the gas block itself

anyways, what later become MCIWS for most part, was actually revealed as "Advanced Assault Rifle" or AAR here, i.e. MCIWS prototypes from 2015 era, the prototype that Sandeep is holding in his hand there is AAR or 2015 era MCIWS, the most distinctive features on AAR were AR-15-ish straight pattern trigger + new gas block with fixed front iron sight post and this time gas block is placed farther from handguards means gas system is lengthened here, AND POTENTIALLY, new gas system too, short stroke gas piston system now with a distinct gas piston and long operating rod (quite SIG MCX-ish design here) + new collapsible as well as folding buttstock - though even on AAR they mostly printed MCIWS on sides, deeming it as another prototype under that name
MCIWS (AAR) Receiver Details Left Side.webp
MCIWS (AAR)_Left Side View.webp

This 2015 pattern MCIWS / AAR become standard with those guys going back to 2013 pattern MCIWS buttstock as well as curved pattern trigger, for some reasons...and that's what most people know here as MCIWS nowadays

i remember putting my own critique of MCIWS designs, pointing out why it desperately needed some refinements at various places, will try to reconstruct those stuff later here
 

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