Türkiye: News, Discussions & Updates.

[yasincsoy]

If you don't have those F-16s, what will you do? You will have to update them anyway.

Things get old whether you use them or not, especially machinery, radar tech, weapon systems etc. That is not a measure of using them.

Learn first what Upgrading life cycle means!

 

[yasincsoy]

Second Pakistani milgem Corvette getting sea tests and it will be delivered in August.
Remaining 2 ships will be delivered in 2026.

TCG AKHİSAR Teslimat için Gün Sayıyor

26-27 Mayıs Tarihleri arasında İstanbul Deniz Müzesi`nde gerçekleştirilen 12’nci Deniz Sistemleri Semineri`nin açılış konuşmalarında kürsüye gelen, ASFAT Genel Müdür Yardımcısı Serdar Ümit Tezeren, kuruluşundan bugüne kadar ASFAT’ın yürüttüğü projeler ve gelecek dönem çalışmaları hakkında...

www.defenceturkey.com

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilvo0PfpF5M&pp=ygUPUGFraXN0YW4gbWlsZ2Vt

 

[Azaad]

Learn first what Upgrading life cycle means!

Why don't you enlighten us what have you upgraded the F-16s with Mehmet?

 

[Waanar]

Right, you have standards that is why you destroy so many of your planes

Higher sortie rate= Higher odds of crashing.
We could reduce our flight time but we don't because we value our pilot's training.

We could keep all the planes grounded and then your would say our pilots don't fly and are untrained.
I assume someone so vehemently defending TAF would have some semblance of understanding why the crashes occur but you seem to be engaging in a dick measuring contest with a toothpick. Sure it's long and you could stab someone with it's pointy end but it's not exactly desirable.

Tell you what?
You have my permission to chest thump when your toys actually do something worth doing instead of taking off and landing.

You can judge the confidence in current design when they don't even retract the landing gear (standard practice in maiden flights).

Look, no judgement, it's very cool that you have a prototype design and all but if you're going to hype it up and use it as an example of your superiority, it has to actually be flying in at least training sorties frequently.

 

[yasincsoy]

Why don't you enlighten us what have you upgraded the F-16s with Mehmet?

You increase life of f-16s by applying structural modifications and replacing parts.
New f-16s come with 12k hours operational life. It was less previously. Since less than 1k hours remained on old f-16s ,Türkiye increased their operational life to 12k with structural upgrade. This only shows that Türkiye flies their fighters. It was an answer to that saying Türkiye is not flying it's fighters and keep them on ground!

 

[concard]

You increase life of f-16s by applying structural modifications and replacing parts.
New f-16s come with 12k hours operational life. It was less previously. Since less than 1k hours remained on old f-16s ,Türkiye increased their operational life to 12k with structural upgrade. This only shows that Türkiye flies their fighters. It was an answer to that saying Türkiye is not flying it's fighters and keep them on ground!

Can you enlighten a bit more about how did you do structural modifications and replacing parts without any participation from the OEM?

The engines used on F-16s are either from General electric or Pratt and Whitney. They don't take kindly to tampering with their engines with parts of your own. The parts most likely have to come from them.

 

[yasincsoy]

Can you enlighten a bit more about how did you do structural modifications and replacing parts without any participation from the OEM?

The engines used on F-16s are either from General electric or Pratt and Whitney. They don't take kindly to tampering with their engines with parts of your own. The parts most likely have to come from them.

It is not engines. You overhaul them. Tei performs that.
This structural upgrade on f-16 airframe is Lockheed Martin approved one. It provides instructions


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoMLtNtwlQ&pp=ygUgVHVzYXMgZi0xNiB5YXBpc2FsIG1vZGVybml6YXN5b24%3D

 

[Azaad]

You increase life of f-16s by applying structural modifications and replacing parts.
New f-16s come with 12k hours operational life. It was less previously. Since less than 1k hours remained on old f-16s ,Türkiye increased their operational life to 12k with structural upgrade. This only shows that Türkiye flies their fighters. It was an answer to that saying Türkiye is not flying it's fighters and keep them on ground!

According to this article Mehmet, Turkiye upgraded the F-16s with kits supplied by LM. The original program too was designed by LM to upgrade the life of the F-16s with the USAF to 12000 hours.

Turkey Prepares To Extend The Life Of Its Massive F-16 Fleet After F-35 Embargo

Forbidden from receiving F-35s, and with its indigenous fighter far from ready, the venerable F-16 is set to soldier on in Turkish service.

www.twz.com

Moreover & this is very important, you cannot touch the F-16 for any modernization / upgradation whatsoever without US approval else they'd castrate you.

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I ask you once again Mehmet, what's the rate of inbreeding in Turkiye? No country with > 15% in breeding has ever achieved huge scientific breakthroughs. That requires lot of brain power which in breeding diminishes.

However In breeding contributes significantly to creating ghazis fedaayen & shaheeds. Alhamdulillah!

 

[yasincsoy]

According to this article Mehmet, Turkiye upgraded the F-16s with kits supplied by LM. The original program too was designed by LM to upgrade the life of the F-16s with the USAF to 12000 hours.

Turkey Prepares To Extend The Life Of Its Massive F-16 Fleet After F-35 Embargo

Forbidden from receiving F-35s, and with its indigenous fighter far from ready, the venerable F-16 is set to soldier on in Turkish service.

www.twz.com

Moreover & this is very important, you cannot touch the F-16 for any modernization / upgradation whatsoever without US approval else they'd castrate you.

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I ask you once again Mehmet, what's the rate of inbreeding in Turkiye? No country with > 15% in breeding has ever achieved huge scientific breakthroughs. That requires lot of brain power which in breeding diminishes.

However In breeding contributes significantly to creating ghazis fedaayen & shaheeds. Alhamdulillah!

This is structural upgrade, beside this one Turkish f-16s getting özgür upgrade. Not just block 30s but block 40 and block 50 f-16s will get özgür modernization as well. 4 years ago first structural upgraded f-16 delivered to air force.

Özgür Projesi Kapsamında Modernize Edilen İlk F-16 Teslim Edildi

Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığınca yürütülen Özgür Projesi ile Türkiye artık F-16 savaş uçaklarının yapısal ve aviyonik modernizasyonunu milli ve yerli olarak yapma kabiliyetine ulaştı. F-16 Yapısal İyileştirme […]

www.savunmasanayi.org

2 years ago first özgür f-16 delivered to air force


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9imH1H3aZAs&pp=ygUKRi0xNiBvemd1cg%3D%3D

See the content of özgür modernization in the below link.

Turkey's F-16 'Project Liberty' (Özgür) modernisation

In an exclusive interview the President of SSB Prof. Dr. Ismail Demir spoke to defensehere.com about "Project Liberty (Özgür)". Touching on the needs of the Turkish Air Force for aircrafts, Demir said the following: "Liberty is a project carried out independently of the USA. So, if we were...

www.secretprojects.co.uk

 

[concard]

It is not engines. You overhaul them. Tei performs that.
This structural upgrade on f-16 airframe is Lockheed Martin approved one. It provides instructions

You are kidding, right? There is a reason why we don't touch American fighters. Even after paying the money the aircraft still belongs to them. They own it. That is how Uncle Sam sees it. Without their approval you can't touch anything in the aircraft. Since Turkey is a NATO member it doesn't have to either. Since it is F-16 you will get all the upgrades you want. You just have to ask and be ready with cash.

Lockheed Martin doesn't just provide instructions, it will provide you the necessary equipment to do the upgrades. They are the OEM, they would have tested all the upgrades in their facilities and given you the kits to do the upgrade. Since you are operating F-16s for long you might have the Engineers to do the upgrades without personnel from LM. But saying you did it on your own is stretching the truth way too far since you already admitted LM provides instructions. They wouldn't be providing instructions if the equipment is made by your own, do they?

 

[yasincsoy]

You are kidding, right? There is a reason why we don't touch American fighters. Even after paying the money the aircraft still belongs to them. They own it. That is how Uncle Sam sees it. Without their approval you can't touch anything in the aircraft. Since Turkey is a NATO member it doesn't have to either. Since it is F-16 you will get all the upgrades you want. You just have to ask and be ready with cash.

Lockheed Martin doesn't just provide instructions, it will provide you the necessary equipment to do the upgrades. They are the OEM, they would have tested all the upgrades in their facilities and given you the kits to do the upgrade. Since you are operating F-16s for long you might have the Engineers to do the upgrades without personnel from LM. But saying you did it on your own is stretching the truth way too far since you already admitted LM provides instructions. They wouldn't be providing instructions if the equipment is made by your own, do they?

Are you unable to understand??
What I mentioned structural upgrade is to show that Turkish air force flies regularly hence it needed to increase aircraft operational life!!
It was an answer to the guy who said Turkish air force do not fly regularly taht is why it has low air crash rates!!
I never said we applied structural upgrade with out USA approval!!
But we also performed our own modernization on f-16s with out locked approval!!
After 30 years of service, we can apply on f-16s whatever we want. See below Murad area radar integration to f-16!! Performed by Turkish engineers both radar and it's integration to aircraft!


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6A3NRdJEDbI&pp=ygUNTXVyYWQgYXNlbHNhbg%3D%3D

 

[concard]

Are you unable to understand??
What I mentioned structural upgrade is to show that Turkish air force flies regularly hence it needed to increase aircraft operational life!!
It was an answer to the guy who said Turkish air force do not fly regularly taht is why it has low air crash rates!!
I never said we applied structural upgrade with out USA approval!!
But we also performed our own modernization on f-16s with out locked approval!!
After 30 years of service, we can apply on f-16s whatever we want. See below Murad area radar integration to f-16!! Performed by Turkish engineers both radar and it's integration to aircraft!


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6A3NRdJEDbI&pp=ygUNTXVyYWQgYXNlbHNhbg%3D%3D

Yeah, I read his argument and perhaps you should read it more carefully what you have written. You are talking about structural upgrade and in the same sentence you are also talking about operational life. Engine upgrades are very much a part of upgradation. More you fly more both of them(air frame and engine) degrade.

Yes, they allow you to upgrade the radar on your 30 year old F-16 if they are not willing to give you their top AESA radar to go with it. Are they willing to give you the source code for the mission control computer to integrate your own weapon A2A missiles and other weapon systems? I don't know about what you integrate with your F-16s, whether it's American AMRAAMs, Side winders or your own? I am asking.

 

[yasincsoy]

Yeah, I read his argument and perhaps you should read it more carefully what you have written. You are talking about structural upgrade and in the same sentence you are also talking about operational life. Engine upgrades are very much a part of upgradation. More you fly more both of them(air frame and engine) degrade.

Yes, they allow you to upgrade the radar on your 30 year old F-16 if they are not willing to give you their top AESA radar to go with it. Are they willing to give you the source code for the mission control computer to integrate your own weapon A2A missiles and other weapon systems? I don't know about what you integrate with your F-16s, whether it's American AMRAAMs, Side winders or your own? I am asking.

We have our own mission computer on özgür upgraded ones. That one's also get ASELSAN aesa radar.
We get approval to use American aesa radar as well!
But due costs and it's limitations we will just buy 40 f-16 viper. Any they will have American aesa radar.
We are integrating all our missiles to f-16s

 

[Suryavanshi]

Puhahah, this is coming from a guy whose air force loses countless aircraft during peacetime!!

There is a hindi proverb that goes like this: "Magarmach paloge to kharcha to hoga hi"

Meaning is when you have crocodile as a pet than their will be humongous amount of money spent on it.

We have one of the highest flight time clocked by individual pilot, tagging behind USAF, UKAF and IsraelAF.

If you want low aircraft losses in peace time than you can keep it in the hangers like you already do.

 

[yasincsoy]

After harbor acceptance tests, second Pakistani milgem started sea acceptance tests


View: https://twitter.com/tcsavunma/status/1928067769704062997?t=3A3G3-qiNd9nuEmLE3qTIQ&s=19

 

[yasincsoy]

There is a hindi proverb that goes like this: "Magarmach paloge to kharcha to hoga hi"

Meaning is when you have crocodile as a pet than their will be humongous amount of money spent on it.

We have one of the highest flight time clocked by individual pilot, tagging behind USAF, UKAF and IsraelAF.

If you want low aircraft losses in peace time than you can keep it in the hangers like you already do.

Are you trying to keep your tail up?
Where is the source that you have one of the highest clocked flight time? Are you trying to find excuses to your air forces' bad records??

 

[yasincsoy]

There is a hindi proverb that goes like this: "Magarmach paloge to kharcha to hoga hi"

Meaning is when you have crocodile as a pet than their will be humongous amount of money spent on it.

We have one of the highest flight time clocked by individual pilot, tagging behind USAF, UKAF and IsraelAF.

If you want low aircraft losses in peace time than you can keep it in the hangers like you already do.

One more thing to add, what is indian air force?? Have you ever made half of the Turkish air forces real operations in exercises ??
Who are you to undermine Turkish air force?
You are packing joke of the whole world.
People surprised when you do not crash in a month your aircraft !

Check real operations more than decade ago. Now with advanced UAV camera,more clear pictures exist in today's operations

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QPMkcv7XHDo&pp=ygUbVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2UgYm9tYiBpcmFx

 

[yasincsoy]

Watch what a real air force is;


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_L633FIXkAs&pp=ygURVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2U%3D

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=At4m0c7MRpI&pp=ygURVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2U%3D


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jrC13-rrVAw&pp=ygURVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2U%3D


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJduCZBFKs&pp=ygUbVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2UgYm9tYiBpcmFx


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bLFyEFgBOww&pp=ygUJNDAxLiBGaWxv

 

[Vinash]

One more thing to add, what is indian air force?? Have you ever made half of the Turkish air forces real operations in exercises ??
Who are you to undermine Turkish air force?
You are packing joke of the whole world.
People surprised when you do not crash in a month your aircraft !

Check real operations more than decade ago. Now with advanced UAV camera,more clear pictures exist in today's operations

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QPMkcv7XHDo&pp=ygUbVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2UgYm9tYiBpcmFx

Watch what a real air force is;


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_L633FIXkAs&pp=ygURVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2U%3D

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=At4m0c7MRpI&pp=ygURVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2U%3D


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jrC13-rrVAw&pp=ygURVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2U%3D


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJduCZBFKs&pp=ygUbVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2UgYm9tYiBpcmFx

So, bombing guerilla/terrorist groups in Iraq who have no Air defense systems is the biggest achievement of Turkish Air Force?

 

[Waanar]

Watch what a real air force is;


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_L633FIXkAs&pp=ygURVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2U%3D

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=At4m0c7MRpI&pp=ygURVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2U%3D


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jrC13-rrVAw&pp=ygURVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2U%3D


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJduCZBFKs&pp=ygUbVHVya2lzaCBhaXIgZm9yY2UgYm9tYiBpcmFx


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bLFyEFgBOww&pp=ygUJNDAxLiBGaWxv

A real Air Force? Attacking people with zero counters to aircraft?

I've seen your Air Force's track record. You guys are very dangerous against people without any Air Defense, otherwise you get F16s shot down by Greek Mirages.

Don't come here blabbering about a "Real Air Force" when you have zero history of warring against a country with proper Air Defense or fleet of aircraft. I also love how you posted a few music videos of Turkish AF with very cool edits like that is the proof for being a "real Air Force".
No, that is proof for good video editing skills. ISIS also had those. Didn't give them a good Air Force.
Our Aircraft bombed enemy sites under heavily contested airspace. Meanwhile you're here bragging about bombing a few tunnels with zero threat to your own aircraft.

You should consider thinking once. Not about your claims but just in general. Thinking is a skill you seem to lack.