Türkiye: News, Discussions & Updates.

[FalconSlayers]

you can tell from his lingo that he is not seeking a genuine answer.

just posting the defense developments and keeping it professional is more than enough for this forum.

just a friendly suggestion before it gets ugly

Despite I had to edit his initial post

@Azaad please keep foreign news threads clean, both here and Chinese economy one among others. No need to provoke foreign members here for no reason.

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

We were worse 2 years ago, due huge taxes we were able to get enough money in central bank. But due political decisions, we burned huge amount of money. Türkiye can sustain it's military projects even now.
We have no ambition to resurrect ottoman empire. We are just trying to be economical and military power in our region. Our region does not let weak to survive. There are many natural gas and petroleum in the Aegean and med. Sea. That is why every nation in our region invest more and more on weapon systems(see Egypt, Italy ,Israel, Cyprus, Greece, even France even though it is not med. Sea country,it invests more on med sea area )
NATO can not solve our problems in our region.
We also need to have nuclear weapons and our own nuclear power stations to sustain economic developments and to have a neutrealiying power against nuclear Israel ,İran and Russia.

I think the window for developing nuclear weapons is effectively closed. The only time when such a window existed was during the chaotic Cold War era, when countries like China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea had an opportunity to pursue nuclear development. However, with the advent of the Digital Age, every action is now meticulously monitored, and no country can conceal its intentions or activities. This goes beyond just surveillance of efforts; it includes the surveillance of intent as well. Every communication channel has been infiltrated, making it impossible to remain hidden from intelligence agencies.

While the United Nations Security Council may disagree on many issues, one area in which there is rare consensus is the prevention of additional nuclear-armed countries. Even China, despite having its own nuclear arsenal, would likely oppose the development of nuclear weapons in other countries, not to mention Russia, which shares a border with many nations and has a strong interest in regional stability. It’s not that owning nuclear weapons is inherently wrong, but some national elites are deluded into thinking they can recreate an empire like the Ottoman Empire without the necessary technological or intellectual resources to back it up. By constantly adopting an offensive stance and burning bridges with powers like the USA, China, and Russia, the prospects of receiving support for such a nuclear ambition become even slimmer. Had these nations aligned with Russia or China as subordinate allies, there might have been some chance of receiving protection or at least some diplomatic support against Western influence.

A savvy leader would always present their country as weak, focusing on the necessity of nuclear weapons solely for self-defense, particularly against perceived threats from Iran or Israel. However, before even considering nuclear weapons, a more urgent task should be the development of a robust domestic nuclear industry. Building such an industry takes decades to master, even if the country were to begin now. It requires an entire ecosystem, skilled manpower, and resources, unlike the development of military products that can sometimes be outsourced to companies like BAE or Leonardo for design and manufacturing. Nuclear technology, on the other hand, is tightly controlled and far more complex.

In fact, a strategic leader might even publicly denounce the idea of nuclear weapons, presenting a pacifist stance while secretly advancing the country’s expertise in nuclear power, which could be transferred over to weapons development at a later stage. Unlike military products, which can be outsourced to external contractors, nuclear weapons development requires a nation to have significant, homegrown expertise. By focusing on the peaceful use of nuclear power, a country can slowly build up the necessary technical capabilities and infrastructure to pursue nuclear weapons if and when the need arises. The process of building a civilian nuclear industry could be a cover for the eventual, more covert development of nuclear weapons, without publicly committing to such a program.

 

[Azaad]

We were worse 2 years ago, due huge taxes we were able to get enough money in central bank. But due political decisions, we burned huge amount of money. Türkiye can sustain it's military projects even now.

That's what I'm asking Mehmet , HOW ? I mean we know Qatar is bankrolling your programs . The question is to what extent.

I don't see any other country except Qatar funding your projects maybe Malaysia though they aren't in a good shape themselves , perhaps Indonesia or more likely Paxtan which'd definitely want to but they're such a desperately shameless people & nation in an even more desperate shape than you , they'd partner you promising to underwrite the project & then turn around and ask you to fund their purchases.

That's not all . They'd even let others take a look at your products once you export it to them. There's a saying among our people - A wise enemy is better than a foolish friend. Good luck to you .

We have no ambition to resurrect ottoman empire. We are just trying to be economical and military power in our region. Our region does not let weak to survive.

Frankly I see all these excuses as hogwash. Turkey's a part of NATO which is the reason Russia didn't escalate when you shot down an Su-22 over Syria if I'm not mistaken a few years ago or when the Russian ambassador to Ankara was assassinated in that city by a Turk.

There are many natural gas and petroleum in the Aegean and med. Sea. That is why every nation in our region invest more and more on weapon systems(see Egypt, Italy ,Israel, Cyprus, Greece, even France even though it is not med. Sea country,it invests more on med sea area )

I don't see any of these nations militarising beyond what's necessary . At the same time I see Turkiye taking advantage of the existing flux in the world order to re arm massively where all the great powers are distracted.

Besides oil is soon going to be a commodity past its sell by date with the rapid explosion of EVs.

I suspect once the existing problems of the world are solved one-way or another viz the war in Ukraine, DPRK vs RoK , China vs Taiwan , Israel vs Palestine , etc . it's Eastern Mediterranean & the Aegean which is going to pop up on the radars of the world.

In any case when has the Eastern Mediterranean & the Levant enjoyed peace. Add the Aegean to that list too.

NATO can not solve our problems in our region.
We also need to have nuclear weapons and our own nuclear power stations to sustain economic developments and to have a neutrealiying power against nuclear Israel ,İran and Russia.

Yes. That's the only reason Khalifa Sultan Turdogan is getting chummy with Paxtan. There's no other reason to befriend s bankrupt nation.

I wonder how will the rest of your neighbours see this move though. Greece , Israel Russia France and the Balkans apart from much of Eastern Europe viz Bulgaria Romania Poland etc parts of the erstwhile Ottoman Khilafat Empire will be up in arms as will the US.

Then there's Iran - your old foe since 2 millennia much before the lands both of you occupy were Islamised.

 

[yasincsoy]

That's what I'm asking Mehmet , HOW ? I mean we know Qatar is bankrolling your programs . The question is to what extent.

I don't see any other country except Qatar funding your projects maybe Malaysia though they aren't in a good shape themselves , perhaps Indonesia or more likely Paxtan which'd definitely want to but they're such a desperately shameless people & nation in an even more desperate shape than you , they'd partner you promising to underwrite the project & then turn around and ask you to fund their purchases.

That's not all . They'd even let others take a look at your products once you export it to them. There's a saying among our people - A wise enemy is better than a foolish friend. Good luck to you .


Frankly I see all these excuses as hogwash. Turkey's a part of NATO which is the reason Russia didn't escalate when you shot down an Su-22 over Syria if I'm not mistaken a few years ago

I don't see any of these nations militarising beyond what's necessary . At the same time I see Turkiye taking advantage of the existing flux in the world order to re arm massively where all the great powers are distracted.

Besides oil is soon going to be a commodity past its sell by date with the rapid explosion of EVs.

I suspect once the existing problems of the world are solved one-way or another viz the war in Ukraine, DPRK vs RoK , China vs Taiwan , Israel vs Palestine , etc . it's Eastern Mediterranean & the Aegean which is going to pop up on the radars of the world.

In any case when has the Eastern Mediterranean & the Levant enjoyed peace. Add the Aegean to that list too.


Yes. That's the only reason Khalifa Sultan Turdogan is getting chummy with Paxtan. There's no other reason to befriend s bankrupt nation.

I wonder how will the rest of your neighbours see this move though. Greece , Israel Russia France and the Balkans apart from much of Eastern Europe viz Bulgaria Romania Poland etc parts of the erstwhile Ottoman Khilafat Empire will be up in arms as will the US.

Then there's Iran - your old foe since 2 millennia much before the lands both of you occupy were Islamised.

We were taxed and we have huge interest for two years. That's is how we managed to make some reserves in central bank. It will go on hence people and companies will suffer to sustain military spends.qatar is not sponsoring Kaan project but it invested on some companies only.

Eventhough fuel will be less used on cars, still energy production will need natural gas and fuel for quite some time. So needs to petrol and natural gas will go on for quite sometime.

NATO is not a country, it was functioning well during cold war. But now many members do not feel to be totally strict. Russia did not make any attempt when we down their jet not because of NATO only but due power of Turkish armed forces. They can not launch a full scale attack as a result of a jet downing. They however got their revenge some what later.

Pakistan provides technology to turkiye when we ask, same is true for Pakistan requests from Türkiye.
Pakistan has been seen a friendly country not because it has nuclear weapons but because their ancestors provided support to Turks during our indepence war. So, we see them as brothers and we will try to help them as much as we can.
They also do same for Türkiye. If their economy were better in shape, they would invest more in Turkish projects and be member in projects more.

 

[Blademaster]

We were taxed and we have huge interest for two years. That's is how we managed to make some reserves in central bank. It will go on hence people and companies will suffer to sustain military spends.qatar is not sponsoring Kaan project but it invested on some companies only.

Eventhough fuel will be less used on cars, still energy production will need natural gas and fuel for quite some time. So needs to petrol and natural gas will go on for quite sometime.

NATO is not a country, it was functioning well during cold war. But now many members do not feel to be totally strict. Russia did not make any attempt when we down their jet not because of NATO only but due power of Turkish armed forces. They can not launch a full scale attack as a result of a jet downing. They however got their revenge some what later.

Pakistan provides technology to turkiye when we ask, same is true for Pakistan requests from Türkiye.
Pakistan has been seen a friendly country not because it has nuclear weapons but because their ancestors provided support to Turks during our indepence war. So, we see them as brothers and we will try to help them as much as we can.
They also do same for Türkiye. If their economy were better in shape, they would invest more in Turkish projects and be member in projects more.

Ok then don’t expect us Indians to be that friendly to you guys.

 

[yasincsoy]

Ok then don’t expect us Indians to be that friendly to you guys.

Is it not like taht , already?

 

[hurrians]

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While deepening its relationship with Pakistan, Turkey must ensure it does not alienate India

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[hurrians]

"With his other frenemies, Erdoğan had sought to make a case partly economic and partly strategic to reset ties. But that charm offensive has not reached New Delhi just yet."

Turkey’s Moment for a Diplomatic Thaw with India is Yet to Arrive

Erdoğan is unwilling to abandon his stance on Kashmir. And New Delhi has been uncompromisingly hostile toward any overseas criticism on Kashmir.

thediplomat.com

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

We were taxed and we have huge interest for two years. That's is how we managed to make some reserves in central bank. It will go on hence people and companies will suffer to sustain military spends.qatar is not sponsoring Kaan project but it invested on some companies only.

Eventhough fuel will be less used on cars, still energy production will need natural gas and fuel for quite some time. So needs to petrol and natural gas will go on for quite sometime.

NATO is not a country, it was functioning well during cold war. But now many members do not feel to be totally strict. Russia did not make any attempt when we down their jet not because of NATO only but due power of Turkish armed forces. They can not launch a full scale attack as a result of a jet downing. They however got their revenge some what later.

Pakistan provides technology to turkiye when we ask, same is true for Pakistan requests from Türkiye.
Pakistan has been seen a friendly country not because it has nuclear weapons but because their ancestors provided support to Turks during our indepence war. So, we see them as brothers and we will try to help them as much as we can.
They also do same for Türkiye. If their economy were better in shape, they would invest more in Turkish projects and be member in projects more.

Lol, Sultan erdogan dreams of newclear weapons. And pakistan seems the only way to go. That being said recognition of stolen cyprus as independent nation is another important reason.
Pakistan which is heavily infiltrated by US can never be allowed to proliferate newclear weapons.
Imran khan sought good for his nation & sided with chinese but we saw his fate.

 

[Azaad]

We were taxed and we have huge interest for two years. That's is how we managed to make some reserves in central bank. It will go on hence people and companies will suffer to sustain military spends.

All I can say is Alhamdulillah , we wish Khalifa Sultan Turdogan continues in power & take Turkiye to another Ottoman Khilafat Empire so what if the economy goes to the gutter.

qatar is not sponsoring Kaan project but it invested on some companies only.

Yes , we believe you .

Eventhough fuel will be less used on cars, still energy production will need natural gas and fuel for quite some time. So needs to petrol and natural gas will go on for quite sometime.

I don't think you're aware of just how much time it takes to survey the area , evaluate its potential then tender such projects following which awarding the tender happens & then prospecting begins followed by refining which needs to happen for which infrastructure also needs to be created else you'd be pumping crude oil , exporting it to be refined & re importing that same oil.

In the time & money apart from other resources it takes to do all that you could easily switch over to EVs . But to each his own . Btw I think this is an incredulous argument. Nobody outside Turkiye is buying it.

NATO is not a country, it was functioning well during cold war. But now many members do not feel to be totally strict.

You're right . NATO is passed its sell by date . It's another matter Turkiye is within NATO to sabotage it from within for it has a policy at direct variance to the powers that be within NATO who call the shots.

These dichotomies are already out in the open thanks to Trump & as time goes by more & more such differences will emerge rendering them irreconcilable.

Russia did not make any attempt when we down their jet not because of NATO only but due power of Turkish armed forces. They can not launch a full scale attack as a result of a jet downing. They however got their revenge some what later.

Sure. We've always trusted a Turk when it comes to speaking the truth.

Pakistan provides technology to turkiye when we ask, same is true for Pakistan requests from Türkiye.
Pakistan has been seen a friendly country not because it has nuclear weapons but because their ancestors provided support to Turks during our indepence war.

Their ancestors supported you during your war of independence ???!

No sh!t Mehmet .

Who sold you that bag of crock ?!

Paxtan didn't exist when you fought the war for independence . They were part of British India which meant they were a colony & not even a nation . Besides the British Indian Army featured Hindustani Musalmans including from those regions which went on to comprise Paxtan later , fight for the British against the Turks.

Besides N weapons I wonder what technology does Paxtan provide Turkiye ? And if Turkiye is truly dependant on Paxtan for technology you're in a worse place than I previously thought.

So, we see them as brothers and we will try to help them as much as we can.

Alhamdulillah that you definitely are.

They also do same for Türkiye.

That's what remains to be seen . By the beard of your Rasulullah , we'd be very interested just as the rest of the world especially the aforementioned countries in my previous post if Paxtan were to transfer N weapon technology to Turkiye. That'd be the day.

If their economy were better in shape, they would invest more in Turkish projects and be member in projects more.

I'm sure they would just as I'm sure Bangladesh would. As would a dozen other countries from the Ummah but here's the thing , with the global economy in crisis mode & expected to get worse , all such hopes remain pipe dreams.

But we wish Turkiye & it's ruler Khalifa Sultan Turdogan all the best in their attempts to resurrect the Ottoman Khilafat Empire. Alhamdulillah !

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