The British Martial Race Theory

[Bleh]

There was no concept of India back then , had the Indian kings ordered the soldiers to kill some unarmed men they eould have simply done the same otherwise their heads would be on the roll. For the common man (the shudras and avrnas) whether it was British or Indian kings everyone was same.

That's just British propaganda. Our own 1857 propaganda statements sound pretty Indian to me... Maybe a nation state wasn't there, ie, Tantia Tope probably wouldn't consider Ladakhis as their own ilk although they were within the Empire, but the idea of Firangi occupying Indians was pretty prevalent in the then literature we have since 1800 atleast.

 

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[ezsasa]

Martial race theory while it was developed in the sub-continent, it was applied in africa as well by the brits.

just like concept of caste, Martial race theory must also be having some european origin, since colonialism apart from primary purpose of bleeding the colonised land dry, it is also about supplanting native thought processes with ideas beneficial to coloniser's worldview to aid in bleeding the native land dry.

if i am not wrong, there is an AIT version for africa as well.

 

[BABU BHAIYAA]

Thread 'The British Martial Race Theory'

Sep 30, 2024

drives UBER in US/UK and sings of marshall race on twitter.
BTW this punjabi heritage craze of porkies and sikhs will eventually become a headache for us.

Its not only Sikhs who glorifies themselves of their martial race.Jats Rajputs all call themselves martial race .But kill ratios of them in battles from historical era doesn’t backs it up. I know many of you guys will be furious but its the fact.There is nothing like martial race,Gorkhas Sikhs Jats Rajputs all had their fare share of defeats.
Despite getting freedom in 1947 we are still believing in martial race theory...

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If there is no such thing like marital races then the jawan induction have to be evenly distributed among all the states but when we look at the map it says onwards that history, terrain of a place and society always works in physical and mental toughness of a man

 

[shade2]

Martial race theory while it was developed in the sub-continent, it was applied in africa as well by the brits.

just like concept of caste, Martial race theory must also be having some european origin, since colonialism apart from primary purpose of bleeding the colonised land dry, it is also about supplanting native thought processes with ideas beneficial to coloniser's worldview to aid in bleeding the native land dry.

if i am not wrong, there is an AIT version for africa as well.

It's chooran to make the wafadar soldier tribes believe that they are speshul and above the average masses so that they can pull the trigger effortlessly when culling said masses

Anglos first captured Bengal, you think the Marshall race Rajput, Jatt, Sikh, Punjabi Mussalman, Afghan Pathan etc were found there?

Who were the troops that Anglo used to conquer rest of the country? surely not all were goras?


Any tribes taking part in the 1857 revolt meanwhile was not "martial race" because they rose in rebellion against white master

Similar story can also be extrapolated to the African scenario.

 

[Bleh]

It's chooran to make the wafadar soldier tribes believe that they are speshul and above the average masses so that they can pull the trigger effortlessly when culling said masses

Anglos first captured Bengal, you think the Marshall race Rajput, Jatt, Sikh, Punjabi Mussalman, Afghan Pathan etc were found there?

Who were the troops that Anglo used to conquer rest of the country? surely not all were goras?


Any tribes taking part in the 1857 revolt meanwhile was not "martial race" because they rose in rebellion against white master

Similar story can also be extrapolated to the African scenario.

Exactly... It was Telengi infantry of Madras that crushed the Maratha Empire.

Bihahri & Awadhis that did for the Sikh Empire. No wonder they're salty about this.

If there is no such thing like marital races then the jawan induction have to be evenly distributed among all the states but when we look at the map it says onwards that history, terrain of a place and society always works in physical and mental toughness of a man

That actually had more do so with cultural norms & custom.

Nepali Gurkhas for example dream of joining the Army of UK for much higher pay, those who don't make it, join India (in words of a British Gurkha from an interview I watched). Odias dream of working in a steel smelter or some other industry. They deem military as for the, erm.. stupider sections of the society who don't have the brains to become engineer (again from words of Odias that I'm surrounded with).
This the difference in numbers.

 

[Tibarn]

Exactly... It was Telengi infantry of Madras that crushed the Maratha Empire.

Bihahri & Awadhis that did for the Sikh Empire. No wonder they're salty about this.



That actually had more do so with cultural norms & custom.

Nepali Gurkhas for example dream of joining the Army of UK for much higher pay, those who don't make it, join India (in words of a British Gurkha from an interview I watched). Odias dream of working in a steel smelter or some other industry. They deem military as for the, erm.. stupider sections of the society who don't have the brains to become engineer (again from words of Odias that I'm surrounded with).
This the difference in numbers.

Well, I think the army keeping the British era single-caste/single-state regiments after independence has just as big a role to do with that. Some states never got State-specific, single-language/single-caste regiments, so they may have a harder road to get into the army.

Several states and jatis have asked for the establishment of specific regiments as long ago as H.D. Deva Gowda's time as PM: Karnataka regiment, Gujarat regiment, Kalinga regiment(Odisha), Ahir regiment(based around Haryanvi Ahirs), Tribals regiment, ... etc, but the army leadership was against these demands as they say that the Indian army recruits from everywhere. Having both a Kalinga and Tribal regiment would drastically increase the share of Odias in the military.

Although I don't support single-caste/community units at all, it seems somewhat like a double standard to retain single language/state/jati units in the Indian army for some groups, while at the same time denying the expansion to other parts of India.

 

[Tibarn]

This was a good article written by a member on the former DFI site, Zorawar Singh. It's a good read!

View: https://medium.com/the-national-identity/the-national-identity-xxviii-the-minority-army-5fa264b15835

 

[Vinod Patter]

How Can I? How Can You?

What was the Unifier in Ancient India? the Chola's ? Marathas? Rajputs? Mauryas? Who? Why did these Kingdomes constantly via to Dominate the Landscape for over 4000+ years?

Bharat-? Which Bharat - from the Scriptures? - Was the Clan of King Bharat - from the RSS? What about the Dravadians? Did they Accept this notion of Bharat? If we were so united as one people why did Bhuddism pretty much die out in this country?

Now - if you transpose the analogy to Christian Europe - were they one country? But they all call themselves Christians no?

Some people who don't want India to exist as a nation state have a thought process like you. I have seen Khalistanis, Dravidians all anti national elements including Naxalites have similar thought process as is clearly visible in your rants. Some Sardars and Punjabi also beleive that India should be a loose confederation of states with empowered local governments with local constitutions of their own, according to them only foreign policy and military should be held by central government, but for that in my opinion none of the regional governments are mature enough to make that structure workable, separatist tendencies would take control of their useless Brain quickly which justify the strong central government and mind you India is an indestructible union of destructible states according to Indian constitution which clearly state the intent of this REPUBLIC to survive at any cost. Anandpur Sahib Resolution come to mind when I see people like you, a separatist document one step away from separation if implemented. India is a livable place as a United country otherwise it would have been a place worse than Africa. India has more legitimacy to exist due cultural/civilizational connections to the territories under control of present day India than America a country of colonisers and slaves. Nobody give sh!t what Dravidians/Periyarist think they themselves are byproduct of colonised substandard education system.

 

[rkhanna]

Some people who don't want India to exist as a nation state have a thought process like you. I have seen Khalistanis, Dravidians all anti national elements including Naxalites have similar thought process as is clearly visible in your rants. Some Sardars and Punjabi also beleive that India should be a loose confederation of states with empowered local governments with local constitutions of their own, according to them only foreign policy and military should be held by central government, but for that in my opinion none of the regional governments are mature enough to make that structure workable, separatist tendencies would take control of their useless Brain quickly which justify the strong central government and mind you India is an indestructible union of destructible states according to Indian constitution which clearly state the intent of this REPUBLIC to survive at any cost. Anandpur Sahib Resolution come to mind when I see people like you, a separatist document one step away from separation if implemented. India is a livable place as a United country otherwise it would have been a place worse than Africa. India has more legitimacy to exist due cultural/civilizational connections to the territories under control of present day India than America a country of colonisers and slaves. Nobody give sh!t what Dravidians/Periyarist think they themselves are byproduct of colonised substandard education system.

I am sorry, I very much want India to flourish. Infact i have bet my whole life on it. I Absolutely LOVE my country. I absolutely LOVE my culture and history (with 100% full acknowledgment of the ills of it).

People like you however do too much to damage the future of this country. You are TOO hell bent on competeting with the Abrahamics and that is why you want everything to ape them. YOU are the problem not me.

The fact that you have to equate some fictional history which the future is actually a fallacy of argument and more or less a reflection of the poverty/quality of the education you have recieved.

You dont have to attack everyone you disagree with and everyone who doesnt have your narrow world view is not anti national.

Go out meet the world (within this own country) - go speak to the 80-90 year old Naga Tribals, the Gond Tribals in Madhyapradesh. Go spend time in the Sundarbands and the Villages of Kerela. Go experience the mind bending Casteism in UP and Haryana. Understand this country and its people first.

THEN you may actually understand what i am trying to say.

My life has been a constant evolution - at the age of 40 i know more than i knew when i was your age. Makes me more unsure of myself but also more at peace with my world.

The Republic (not sure you even understand what the word means) is less than 100 years old.

Almost every single sentence you have muttered above is riddled with mindbloggling ignorance and miopia.

Before you dream of a United India - I have seen Shiv Sena use violence to drive the Bihari and Bengali out of Bombay in the 90s. Can see the telling signs again now in Karanataka. Forget Hindu / Muslim. I have witnessed enough bigotry within ethinic groups in todays day and age to shake my head at your fantasy.

Good Day to you.

You want to build a united India? First you and me shake hands and agree to disagree

 

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