Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[BON PLAN]

Like it or not only option we have is F35 & it will be identical to Israeli F35 adir i.e non nato grade with israeli Bent secure data link.. trump & jd vance both have offered F35 to so it is inevitable.

Israeli F35 are probably the best of the world, even better than US ones.
But israel has another kind of relations with USA than anything else, even the 5 eyes.
If you purchase F35, it will be a downgraded one. Don't expect a full spec bird. US Senate will NEVER agree, with or without Trump agreement.

 

[BON PLAN]

Using passive sensors, rafale pilots will be able to see the F16 using their Rafale from a great distance, with very high precision... As far as I know, enough to get a firing solution even with an em missile without turning on the radar.

It is already the case, but it will be improved with F4.3 std.

 

[karn]

Only if russia agree to install the related softwares in this birds.
If not, they cut the support and within weeks or months the planes are no more operationnal.

The su 30mki runs on Indian software .. russian support is only sought for structural modifications like for brahmos A. It is why the SU 30 is the test bed for all indian weapons and the first to be inducted with.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

btw why do we have so little dedicated attack helis?
Not talking about Rudram and Mi-17v5

Because IAF and IA really wanted a lot of Apaches. And LCH wasn't rated to fire ATGMs yet, neither did it came with a millimeter wave radar like the Apache. Completely forgetting that the LCH wasn't built for the same spec as the Apache Longbow in mind. But they got a taste of it, and wanted more Apaches. Age old story of shifting gold posts. Recent (came to light recently in public anyway) reliability issues with HAL choppers might also have been a motivator.

 

[BON PLAN]

The su 30mki runs on Indian software .. russian support is only sought for structural modifications like for brahmos A. It is why the SU 30 is the test bed for all indian weapons and the first to be inducted with.

Indeed, but the Su27/30/35 sold to other country are russian softwares fitted, so you need to ask Putin if he agree.

 

[karn]

Indeed, but the Su27/30/35 sold to other country are russian softwares fitted, so you need to ask Putin if he agree.

Ah sorry missed the original context. Ofcourse any aircraft carried weapons will require the bird to be aligned to the mki standard.. Armenia for example is exploring such an upgrade.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Indeed, but the Su27/30/35 sold to other country are russian softwares fitted, so you need to ask Putin if he agree.

We'll just have to rip out their OEM mission computers and replace with our own. See ours are matched to fire everything from French to Israeli, from Indian to Russian.

Avionics Processors and Software | Defence Research and Development Organisation - DRDO, Ministry of Defence, Government of India

DARE has indigenously developed Airborne Computers for Su-30 MKI, Jaguar, MiG 27 upgrade and the prestigious Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). A number of computers have been developed using common module approach with a performance of over 50 million instructions per second. Radar Computer (RC)...

www.drdo.gov.in

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

Indeed, but the Su27/30/35 sold to other country are russian softwares fitted, so you need to ask Putin if he agree.

We can change mission computer this way there would be no need to to do intergation and all those stuff.
Armenia is actively seeking upgrades for its 4 su30s.

 

[MarDePopins]

Israeli F35 are probably the best of the world, even better than US ones.
But israel has another kind of relations with USA than anything else, even the 5 eyes.
If you purchase F35, it will be a downgraded one. Don't expect a full spec bird. US Senate will NEVER agree, with or without Trump agreement.

It's USA which has offered the F35 we will negotiate with same isreali tech.. just like isreal negotiated for..

India USA now hv strategic pacts on defence for next 10 yr

https://www.business-standard.com/amp/external-affairs-defence-security/news/india-us-to-deepen-defence-ties-with-new-10-year-cooperation-pact-125021401811_1.html

 

[randombully]

It is already the case, but it will be improved with F4.3 ststd.

What passive sensor you guys talking about?

 

[shade2]

Israeli F35 are probably the best of the world, even better than US ones.
But israel has another kind of relations with USA than anything else, even the 5 eyes.
If you purchase F35, it will be a downgraded one. Don't expect a full spec bird. US Senate will NEVER agree, with or without Trump agreement.

Now they will all attack you because they think India buying F35 is as simple as buying vegetables from the market

Govt have bought a lot of transport and other non-violent platforms or parts from America but till date frontline combat platforms have never been purchased.

What's the use of those fancy F35 if you won't get the (((permission))) to use them

 

[MarDePopins]

There are multiple ignorant peeps out here who thinks only rafale will save them from imminent PAF purchase of 5th gen vectors.. lol

Here french pilots themselves are saying it's impossible to fight 5th gen vectors.. check for urself below interview is in french.. translate it in google

En combat air-air, l'aviation de chasse française tiendrait trois jours - l'Opinion

Un rapport, rédigé par des aviateurs, pointe les « vulnérabilités significatives » de la France en matière de « supériorité aérienne », décrivant les impasses technologiques, le manque de munitions et les incertitudes sur les programmes d'avenir

www.lopinion.fr

With rabid terrorist dog paxtan on next door nd belligerent China on other.. we will be fighting their respective 5th gen vectors with rafales till 2035.. lol really

Capabilities are always inducted wrt to ur prime adversary.. like IAF have always built it's capabilities vis a vis PAF nd vice versa PAF also hv inducted capabilities vis a vis IAF.. anyone with the iota of history of these two airforces knows it.

Let me present a timeline for the same.

PAF acquired F16 in 1981

IAF countered this by acquiring Mirage 2k in 1982 nd Mig29 in 1984 nd just to let u know all this while mirage was still in flight testing i.e in 1982 but IAF still went away with it.

Now later in 2015 MMRCA was cancelled & IAF acquired 36 rafales in G2G to meet the capability gaps in 2016.. rafale armed with meteor nd aesa radar spooked PAF which then countered this by acquiring j10C in 2019-20 with delivery starting by 2021..

IAF acquired S400 strategic ADS In 2018
PAF countered this by acquiring HQ9B in 2019 nd delivery starting by 2021..

Now in 2024 Pakistan Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmed Baber Sidhu announced that paxtan will acquire J 35A 5th gen vectors from china.. & this has supposedly ruffled some feather in our top defence echolens..

Aero India 2025 a stealth fighter in India's sight

BENGALURU: Aero India 2025 takes off tomorrow, with a much-anticipated fifth-generation stealth fighter ‘duel’ between Russia’s Sukhoi Su-57 “Felon” and the US’

www.newindianexpress.com

Luk at this article by SCMP where its rightly mentioned that it will put pressure on india to counter the purchase by acquiring F35.

Pakistan-China warplane deal puts India under pressure to modernise air force

The deal to buy fifth-generation FC-31 Gyrfalcon jets reflects Pakistan and China’s ‘joint strategy and synergy to neutralise the threat emanating from India’, analysts say.

www.scmp.com

So it will always be a cat nd mouse game btwn the two AFs two have an upmanship against each other.. no way IAF would want to be in a place where both our prime adversaries are flying their respective 5th gen fighters while IAF hv to wait for AMCA till 2035 that too being fully optimistic with development timelines.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

I do not think GoI has a plan or had a plan even a short term one. most likely they don't care about nation's security, past governments used to take kick backs but at least made sure armed forces get at least the bare minimum to keep the country safe I don't see anything like that in Modi 's govt most of the stuff he does is just posturing to keep his image as a strong leader. In past 11 years he has just signed a single multirole fighter jet deal that too for only 36 rafale.More 36 could have been ordered just after delivery of initial deal completed but for some unknown reasons they didn't. No refulers and no awacs were odered despite dire need of em at last Iaf had to lease a tanker to make sure they don't loose know how of mid air refueling and pak now has more aewcs aircraft than us.
Ins Vikrant is sailing for past 3 years yet no deal for rafale m has taken place.
Navy is giving mlu to 40 year old types 209 subs so that they could extend its life to 50 years no navy operates such old submarines yet p75i hasnt been executed yet.

Why the hell should he go and buy foren country maal. Long wars are not fought on foren maal. For short wars 36 rafale are more than enough.
It is the armed forces who are real villains. They are not ready to buy the Indian and needlessly delaying indian projects. So, no thanks. Here, Modiji didn't do anything wrong. He made the right choice. It was absolutely right choice to starve these golf course visitors.

 

[shade2]

There are multiple ignorant peeps out here who thinks only rafale will save them from imminent PAF purchase of 5th gen vectors.. lol

Here french pilots themselves are saying it's impossible to fight 5th gen vectors.. check for urself below interview is in french.. translate it in google

En combat air-air, l'aviation de chasse française tiendrait trois jours - l'Opinion

Un rapport, rédigé par des aviateurs, pointe les « vulnérabilités significatives » de la France en matière de « supériorité aérienne », décrivant les impasses technologiques, le manque de munitions et les incertitudes sur les programmes d'avenir

www.lopinion.fr

With rabid terrorist dog paxtan on next door nd belligerent China on other.. we will be fighting their respective 5th gen vectors with rafales till 2035.. lol really

Capabilities are always inducted wrt to ur prime adversary.. like IAF have always built it's capabilities vis a vis PAF nd vice versa PAF also hv inducted capabilities vis a vis IAF.. anyone with the iota of history of these two airforces knows it.

Let me present a timeline for the same.

PAF acquired F16 in 1981

IAF countered this by acquiring Mirage 2k in 1982 nd Mig29 in 1984 nd just to let u know all this while mirage was still in flight testing i.e in 1982 but IAF still went away with it.

Now later in 2015 MMRCA was cancelled & IAF acquired 36 rafales in G2G to meet the capability gaps in 2016.. rafale armed with meteor nd aesa radar spooked PAF which then countered this by acquiring j10C in 2019-20 with delivery starting by 2021..

IAF acquired S400 strategic ADS In 2018
PAF countered this by acquiring HQ9B in 2019 nd delivery starting by 2021..

Now in 2024 Pakistan Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmed Baber Sidhu announced that paxtan will acquire J 35A 5th gen vectors from china.. & this has supposedly ruffled some feather in our top defence echolens..

Aero India 2025 a stealth fighter in India's sight

BENGALURU: Aero India 2025 takes off tomorrow, with a much-anticipated fifth-generation stealth fighter ‘duel’ between Russia’s Sukhoi Su-57 “Felon” and the US’

www.newindianexpress.com

Luk at this article by SCMP where its rightly mentioned that it will put pressure on india to counter the purchase by acquiring F35.

Pakistan-China warplane deal puts India under pressure to modernise air force

The deal to buy fifth-generation FC-31 Gyrfalcon jets reflects Pakistan and China’s ‘joint strategy and synergy to neutralise the threat emanating from India’, analysts say.

www.scmp.com

So it will always be a cat nd mouse game btwn the two AFs two have an upmanship against each other.. no way IAF would want to be in a place where both our prime adversaries are flying their respective 5th gen fighters while IAF hv to wait for AMCA till 2035 that too being fully optimistic with development timelines.

Dhotis have never given a rat's ass about "buying ze best proven maal from 5 places" like the Import Marshals.
Let alone when it's an American product that is concerned, especially when it comes with such T&Cs that even the Gulf Arabs find it too much that they buy Rafale instead.

You can shiver over PAF J-35 and fantasize about F-35 par wo hoga to nahi

 

[MarDePopins]

Dhotis have never given a rat's ass about "buying ze best proven maal from 5 places" like the Import Marshals.
Let alone when it's an American product that is concerned, especially when it comes with such T&Cs that even the Gulf Arabs find it too much that they buy Rafale instead.

You can shiver over PAF J-35 and fantasize about F-35 par wo hoga to nahi

Lmao u are surely worked up sans any hot oil
Luks like i ruffled some feathers

See u are a nobody ur crying nd wailing won't make any difference to IAF 5th gen plan or govt decision to buy F 35 from USA.

Iam sure there are more competent authorities out there in our defence nd govt who knows what they hv to do..while capability building.. the men who hv to go fight the real enemy instead of a random internet keyboard warrior who boycotts imported maal by staying put in comfort of his room

Cry as much u wnt won't make any difference..F 35 are coming.. those are imminent

 

[randombully]

Seeing the heated discussion and slurs being used.
My take :- chances of F35 coming is not zero, but low.
Chances of more rafale in mrfa are higher.

 

[shade2]

Lmao u are surely worked up sans any hot oil
Luks like i ruffled some feathers

See u are a nobody ur crying nd wailing won't make any difference to IAF 5th gen plan or govt decision to buy F 35 from USA.

Iam sure there are more competent authorities out there in our defence nd govt who knows what they hv to do..while capability building.. the men who hv to go fight the real enemy instead of a random internet keyboard warrior who boycotts imported maal by staying put in comfort of his room

Cry as much u wnt won't make any difference..F 35 are coming.. those are imminent

Aur 20 saal ke liye cheekte reh vin_pahadi_kumaoni ki tere F35 aayenge

 

[MarDePopins]

Aur 20 saal ke liye cheekte reh vin_pahadi_kumaoni ki tere F35 aayenge

Lmao as i said cry as much as u want..

F 35 are coming..
We have our armed forces to make decisions not random some rodlu keyboard warrior

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

Lmao as i said cry as much as u want..

F 35 are coming..
We have our armed forces to make decisions not random some rodlu keyboard warrior

And according to random rodlu keyboard warrior armed forces are buying f35 wah re wah.
F35 is cuming ahhhhhhh

 

[MarDePopins]

Seeing the heated discussion and slurs being used.
My take :- chances of F35 coming is not zero, but low.
Chances of more rafale in mrfa are higher.

MRFA is not happening.. there are multiple reasons for the same.

1. Dassault is setting up fuselage assembly nd MRO facility with navy order of 26 rafale & expected repeat order of 40 rafale for IAF... bear in mind why they will open just fuselage assembly for 26 navy rafales nd not wait for IAF (114) bigger order to open a full production line with a domestic partner?

2. No way IAF gonna order 114 rafales in one go that cost will go north of 25 billion dollars where rafale will be in production till 2040 till that time it's (if suppose MRFA deal is signed by 26-28 nd it's specs will be fixed at the time of contract signing) technology will be obsolete against chinese 5th & 6th gen fighters. Setting up production line will take more time nd last rafale will be obsolete fresh out of factory by 2040.
IAF knows this very well thus it won't commit for MRFA harakiri.

So IAF will do a repeat order of 40 rafale that's why Dassault is setting a truncated fuselage assembly with MRO.. expecting the same instead of waiting for MRFA nd then open a production line.