Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[MarDePopins]

About India, main problem for me is Trump. I really don't see the clever and quiet Modi finding a workable way to deal with the nervous Trump.
And that before the S400 or bureaucratic issues.

Turkey? Erdogan ask.... Not the same thing than "is being offered". Erdogan will wait, and wait, and wait again.

Lol other than rhetorics i shall present u with hard reality

India will be the first country to sign trade deal with trump admin

‘India would be one of first trade deals we sign’: U.S. Treasury Secretary

US Treasury Secretary Bessent discusses progress in trade negotiations with Asian partners, highlighting potential deal with India.

www.thehindu.com

India USA have signed 10 yrs defence cooperation

https://www.business-standard.com/external-affairs-defence-security/news/india-us-to-deepen-defence-ties-with-new-10-year-cooperation-pact-125021401811_1.html

 

[BON PLAN]

Paxtan also will be getting hands on their 5th gen stealth aircraft by 2029-30.. we will be getting F35 in the same timeline.. keep in mind USA is manufacturing 190 f35 per year this year with plans to increase to 240 per year by end of this decade.

Nd lol F35 nd AMCA is not even in same weight class.. how it's a direct competitor? Flawed logic..

F35 MTOW- 31,800 kg (Heavy)
AMCA MTOW- 25,000 kg

So F35 isn't even in competition with AMCA.. 40 F35 won't kill AMCA lol

IAF knows this Govt knows this.. requirements exists..

Heck even broke A$$ Paxtan aims to operate two stealth aircrafts
J 35 by 2029-30
Kaan by 2035

J35.... as all the chinese weapons, we absolutely don't know the real status of their weapons.
Not a single war to make a real field test.

Don't over estimate the chinese goodies.

 

[BON PLAN]

F-35 Aircraft at the Lowest Per Aircraft Price in Programme History

The US Department of Defense and Lockheed Martin have finalized an $11.5 billion contract for the production and delivery of 141 F-35 aircraft at the lowest per aircraft price in programme history.

www.sps-aviation.com

Check nd update urself.. french can NVR match the scale nd economy of scale of USA.

Check that :
Rafale flight hour : 14000 to 16000 €
F-35 flight hour = 42000 to 44000 $

 

[BON PLAN]

Lol other than rhetorics i shall present u with hard reality

India will be the first country to sign trade deal with trump admin

‘India would be one of first trade deals we sign’: U.S. Treasury Secretary

US Treasury Secretary Bessent discusses progress in trade negotiations with Asian partners, highlighting potential deal with India.

www.thehindu.com

India USA have signed 10 yrs defence cooperation

https://www.business-standard.com/external-affairs-defence-security/news/india-us-to-deepen-defence-ties-with-new-10-year-cooperation-pact-125021401811_1.html

India would be....

"woulf be" is very diffeent than "is". Wake me up when inked.

 

[MarDePopins]

As I'm french, and read this document without the bias of a traduction, i can say it is a marketing attempt to have more budget and to urge Rafale F5 std and SCAF.

You can find same kind of documents coming from US men (Sprey for exemple) saying that F35 is a bad answer to modern conflict...

The sole strong reality is that the bombs and missiles stockpile are low, very low in France and in Europe (except Poland). It is why we have seen these last months some urgent orders of Meteor, ASTER, MISTRAL...

Wow such fallacy..
Let me break it down for you

Did rafale pilots claim they can't fight US 5th gen vectors- yes
Is it truth- yes

Shall I believe a random internet stranger who is cooking random theories or a french rafale pilot who is speaking from his experiences while facing US stealth fighters in numerous exercises??

Well it's pretty much self explanatory..

If rafale was creme de la creme of stealth technology than french themselves wouldn't hv went ahead with SCAF.

Electronic stealth of rafale will never replace stealth shaping of 5th nd 6th gen aircrafts in this era where our adversaries hv AESA equipped LPI radars.

 

[username unkown]

J35.... as all the chinese weapons, we absolutely don't know the real status of their weapons.
Not a single war to make a real field test.

Don't over estimate the chinese goodies.

Kaan is also prototype and only pakistani defence Bros have created hype for it first joint development fake rumors which were denied by turkey
operating two 5 generation aircraft which again twin engine for a country who doesn't even have any twin engine aircraft in service is pushing luck what about maintenance and money turkey and pakistani both doesn't have it and modern avionics are expensive
Most likely pakistani will get production faciliti for j 35 and they will call it pfx project sane thing they did to vt 4 mbt

 

[MarDePopins]

India would be....

"woulf be" is very diffeent than "is". Wake me up when inked.

Lmao what a flawed counter.. it's happening dude.. same like rafale is also a would be for IAF now.. (40 repeat order instead of MRFA)

More drip for u

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-prepared-future-proof-trade-deal-sweetener-us-talks-sources-say-2025-04-29/

 

[MarDePopins]

Check that :
Rafale flight hour : 14000 to 16000 €
F-35 flight hour = 42000 to 44000 $

Lol again flawed logic

Rafale survivability against 5th gen stealth nd Long range ADS will be significantly lower as compared to F35

when it's shot down we will lose full 279 million per peice.. lol operating cost won't save the day..

If capabilities were to be decided by operating cost then no country in earth would hv ventured into 5th gen stealth instead would hv continued churning 4th gen.

 

[randombully]

main problem for me is Trump. I really don't see the clever and quiet Modi finding a workable way to deal with the nervous Trump.

If we're gonna buy weapons from US, we rather have republicans in power than democrats.
Democrats are in chatoos with our opposition party, and main culprit for gov. Change in Bangladesh, along with being part of global left syndicate.

 

[BON PLAN]

Wow such fallacy..
Let me break it down for you

Did rafale pilots claim they can't fight US 5th gen vectors- yes
Is it truth- yes

Shall I believe a random internet stranger who is cooking random theories or a french rafale pilot who is speaking from his experiences while facing US stealth fighters in numerous exercises??

Well it's pretty much self explanatory..

If rafale was creme de la creme of stealth technology than french themselves wouldn't hv went ahead with SCAF.

Electronic stealth of rafale will never replace stealth shaping of 5th nd 6th gen aircrafts in this era where our adversaries hv AESA equipped LPI radars.

Rafale can't fight US 5th gen ....

View: https://youtu.be/KOswfrc7Xtg

F35 is so marvellous that : a new engine was imagined (but too costly) even before it was FOC + It has not enough cooling power to refresh itself.

Creme of technology ? F15 + F15 combo was state of the art in the 80 and 90's. Erevyone has to evolve with technology. So it is the Rafale case (wth Rafale NG or SCAF).

Electronic stealth ? It seems powerfull enough to impress Indian forces, twice.

 

[BON PLAN]

when it's shot down we will lose full 279 million per peice.. lol operating cost won't save the day..

I think you are a troll.
If 279 million was the dryprice of the bird, not a signle one would have been sold. You are mentally late Bro.

 

[randombully]

Rafale can't fight US 5th gen ....

View: https://youtu.be/KOswfrc7Xtg

F35 is so marvellous that : a new engine was imagined (but too costly) even before it was FOC + It has not enough cooling power to refresh itself.

Creme of technology ? F15 + F15 combo was state of the art in the 80 and 90's. Erevyone has to evolve with technology. So it is the Rafale case (wth Rafale NG or SCAF).

Electronic stealth ? It seems powerfull enough to impress Indian forces, twice.

"Dogfight".
The engine upgrade for higher electrical power( already a lot higher than rafale)not thrust or cooling, the changes shows how fast f35 is evolving not the deficiency.

 

[BON PLAN]

"Dogfight".
The engine upgrade for higher electrical power( already a lot higher than rafale)not thrust or cooling, the changes shows how fast f35 is evolving not the deficiency.

The F35 is heavier than Rafale. So need more thrust. But not enough to supercruise (an evidence it is underpowered, and shaped as a sugar piece)
13 tons against 10 tons more or less.

 

[randombully]

The F35 is heavier than Rafale. So need more thrust. But not enough to supercruise (an evidence it is underpowered, and shaped as a sugar piece)
13 tons against 10 tons more or less.

Yeah, as said before the proposal for new engine core was more for electrical power generation than making f35 supercruise capable.

 

[BON PLAN]

Yeah, as said before the proposal for new engine core was more for electrical power generation than making f35 supercruise capable.

When you see how it is shaped (for CAS, as a replacement of A10, not as a air dominance fighter) it's clear.
But there is already an alectrical shortage between the actual engine and how electrical power it can produce and the need of power and cooling for F4....
@MarDePopins will probably have a solution.....

 

[Spitfire IX]

Lmao ignorant peeps here cooking rhetorics without any substance.. it's just constant crying nd squealing..

Now the truth is IAF will go for fully customised F35 same like Isreali Non nato standard F35 ADIR.. with full autonomy to utilise as it wants just like isreal..

I believe in substance rather than rhetorics nd ranting.. nd the substance is US & INDIA have signed defence pacts for next 10 yrs

https://www.business-standard.com/external-affairs-defence-security/news/india-us-to-deepen-defence-ties-with-new-10-year-cooperation-pact-125021401811_1.html

few people before were ranting that US won't offer F35 when india operates S400.. lol guess what india is now offered F35 while it operates F35.. heck even turkey is being offered F35 again..

Turkey puts the brakes on F-16 deal in favour of F-35s

Ankara mulls rerouting $1.4bn it paid for F-16s to next generation jets if Trump readmits it into the programme

www.middleeasteye.net

Nd few ignorants are also saying that US won't deliver F35 on time lol again fallacy.. but Dassault will deliver on time?

Lol US is currently producing 150 F35 per year now it to increase this year by 190 jets nd plans to manufacture atleast 240 in near future to counter chinese scale of manufacturing.. US could decrease the per unit cost of F35A to 82 milion dollars just due to it's economy of scale.

While Dassault ia currently producing 24-36 jets per year while it aims to increase production by 48 jets per year by 2028-29..

Lol it's not even comparable no country on earth can match mass production capacity of chinese nd americans..

U all can cry nd rant without substance..
But the reality is INDIA will buy F35 nd it's imminent.. u know why because rhetorics won't work in defence deals of two countries..

When you talk about Turkiye and F-35 are you aware that Turkiye already has some F-35 -paid for and stuck in the US? Buying more F-35 will not signal the death of KAAN.

I don't think that the Turkish engine for KAAN will be certified before some time in the 2030's. More F-35 would raise capability until a fully Turkish KAAN arrived, likely some time after 2035.

AMCA programme may be so far behind schedule in reality that late 2030's might be when the aircraft is actually delivered with all systems working. Again, F-35 would be useful to fill both the capability and numbers need.

India integrating indigenous systems on F-35 seems extremely unlikely to me.