Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Spitfire IX]

Japan taps India for next-gen fighter to rival China’s J-36

Japan invites India to join GCAP, a next-gen fighter jet project with UK and Italy, aiming to rival China’s J-36 and reshape Indo-Pacific security alliances.

bulgarianmilitary.com

Q1 What does India have to offer to the programme apart from funds?

Q2 Where would joining GCAP leave AMCA?

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Japan taps India for next-gen fighter to rival China’s J-36

Japan invites India to join GCAP, a next-gen fighter jet project with UK and Italy, aiming to rival China’s J-36 and reshape Indo-Pacific security alliances.

bulgarianmilitary.com

Q1 What does India have to offer to the programme apart from funds?

Q2 Where would joining GCAP leave AMCA?

A1: India has to offer cheap-cheap labour production costs. Remember what the Frogs want from us ? they want us to buy one million Rafales, then open production facility in Desh, which is assembly plant + non critical tech manufaturings and then build it there, plus then build more for the world from there.

Japan+britain etc wants the same thing. They want to use cheap cheap Indian labour for screwdriver-giri and cut cost of production by 20-25%.

A2 : Dunno. Probably screwed coz Indian babus lack vision for indegenous military might.

 

[bruno]

A1: India has to offer cheap-cheap labour production costs. Remember what the Frogs want from us ? they want us to buy one million Rafales,

100 for a full assembly line. But with only 36 you already got something.

then open production facility in Desh, which is assembly plant + non critical tech manufaturings

Non critical ? Why ? From where this idea come from when France offer you to built a full engine, or the elements like radar transceivers.

and then build it there, plus then build more for the world from there.

For India fort start it will be good.

Japan+britain etc wants the same thing. They want to use cheap cheap Indian labour for screwdriver-giri and cut cost of production by 20-25%.

I don't know if it is possible... Even if it is the plan. When countries invest in that kind of project they don't like to give work to other countries.

A2 : Dunno. Probably screwed coz Indian babus lack vision for indegenous military might.

You are late in technology acquisition... India won't fill the gap the day after tomorrow...

 

[maximus777]

This is straight out of modi’s - Aaj Rafale hote toh after Pulwama

Yes, IAF and supreme leader wasted 11+ years pussyfooting on the MRFA.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

100 for a full assembly line. But with only 36 you already got something.

Non critical ? Why ? From where this idea come from when France offer you to built a full engine, or the elements like radar transceivers.

For India fort start it will be good.

I don't know if it is possible... Even if it is the plan. When countries invest in that kind of project they don't like to give work to other countries.

You are late in technology acquisition... India won't fill the gap the day after tomorrow...

1. No nation transfers crtiical jet technologies
2. Safran has clear-cut NOT committed to sharing hot section fan technology - the main keystone technology for a jet engine.
3. We dont care if we are late to technology acquisition. we dont want to be reliant on foreign acquisition and all we care is to study your platform to reverse its technology as much as possible, while filling a stop-gap need. because no import military has ever won a conflict vs an indegenously equipped military in the industrial age.
Quantity is a quality of its own as the Russians proved vs German technology.

 

[bruno]

1. No nation transfers crtiical jet technologies
2. Safran has clear-cut NOT committed to sharing hot section fan technology - the main keystone technology for a jet engine.
3. We dont care if we are late to technology acquisition. we dont want to be reliant on foreign acquisition and all we care is to study your platform to reverse its technology as much as possible, while filling a stop-gap need. because no import military has ever won a conflict vs an indegenously equipped military in the industrial age.
Quantity is a quality of its own as the Russians proved vs German technology.

I understand that is better for you to rely on your own technology. But I don't know what are your sources. Your own air chief marshal told in January that there is no point to spend money and time to developp technologies own by many others countries and it will be much smart for India to go for a big buy with a foreign partner in order to buy those technologies under a big Tot rather to develop them all. And in parallel, to go for R&D only for the ones that nobody will share to you, because there are too sensitive, or because there are niche technology, or because nobody have it yet.

And it match with what I understood earlier. During initial MMRCA, almost 100% of the plane should have been built in India. Not only assembly. So I'm surprised to ear that something has been refused from France, like hot part. Do you have a source for that ?