Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Nicky]

Current rate GE can only deliver 2 engines a month . so this year we will get 10 or lucky 12 engines . the blame should be on our side we are keep on doing this lazy sloth business , lethargic attitude kahi nahi jayega they will open the shop overnight once we place orders and they will churn engine and give it to us in weeks .

Same happened wit our C-17 procurement too when Boeing clearly said its shutting down the production line if no further orders are coming and finished the last 11 aircraft's and we were able to scrape through getting the last one after some begging . if our baboons had moved little faster we could have got all the 11 but then again same short sighted vision and hardly any planning .


I won't be surprised we keep on doing this AMCA AMCA stuff till 2035 and then IAF and Govt will ask LM to take order for F-35 when they might have shut down the production .. Then someone will come with master stroke like we will get F-35 production line here in india when no one in the world would be interested to buy that jet , Same like we getting F-21 aka F-16 production line with HAL for MRCA deal

Every US jet will come with stipulations on how it can be used. It would be worse than burning the money. The US has clearly shown it's not reliable. They will use maintenance and parts as leverage for strategic control.

We only have one viable option that is Su57, no matter it's flaws.

 

[Numero]

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Kanglu is giving threat.
It wouldn't take a day to pound Turkey if we assume a war scenario.
Even a nuclear power like Pakistan has turned into a destitute.
Kanglu is having battle cry trying to blend in.

 

[silentassassin265]

1) LOL LMAO not till BJP is in power.
2) Yeah only thing that is on table I assume
3) pak desperately wants a dialogue, of ANY kind. Our stance is clear, "Give us back our land" and I dont see any development on this issue for long long time or until pak implodes or we become 1st world



concept art, when are we applying for r&d monies?

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Porkies not gonna give up on kashmir ever that's the sole point of their existence and nuclear war seems inevitable now.
One think they could offer is some land in Sindh as exchange for territory of j&k.
Conflicts with india favours porkies though as it allows them to grab power but if their food security is threatened things will go south.

 

[Tumba]

Easy to say. Modi inherited a bankrupt economy. His second term started with the disastrous economic consequences of Covid. 100+ Rafales at the price they were asking was never a serious possibility in those circumstances.

Also premise of 36 Rafale buy is incorrect it was not for MRCA requirements,

It was for strategic payload delivery requirements.

MRCA is still an open ended question and answer is still not found

 

[silentassassin265]

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Kanglu is giving threat.
It wouldn't take a day to pound Turkey if we assume a war scenario.
Even a nuclear power like Pakistan has turned into a destitute.
Kanglu is having battle cry trying to blend in.

Can't we just place old artillery guns in Meghalaya and old bm21 in darjiling and some more artillery in mizoram

This are the only weapons we require to annihilate kanglus from border area

 

[indrajit]

In light of urgent needs IAF should order the Su-57 with latest engines. We should also buy 2 extra regiments of S400 and 5 Regiments of the S500, we should also opt for local assembly with TOT.

Su 57? To do what? Even the Houthis almost got an F35. We need to start building more Su30MKI's with domestic upgrades to the radar & the avionics, all built to carry cruise missiles. It's a complete waste of time to spend $250 million per plane like the Rafale to only do standoff firing of missiles from within our territory. Maybe add a few more Rafale - 2 dozen at the most, buy upgraded Su30MKI's and look to repurposing aircraft like the P8/C2 to be a standoff missiles deliverer.

In a future conflict, if we need to fire some 40 odd air launched at any given time, we would need 40 Su30's to do that. Much more sense to have a large aircraft to deliver a bunch of those missiles from outside any threat area. Alongside a bunch of Su30's and Rafales doing the attacks.

 

[shade2]

I agree with you 100%. I find Iterative Prototyping to be the most effective methodology when designing and manufacturing a new product.

Below, if anyone is curious, I am describing the steps that makeup what is called Iterative Prototyping:

1. Concept Development:
This is the first stage and it involves defining the product's functionality, features, and target audience.

2. Design and Prototyping:
During this stage, you create a prototype to visualize and test the design.

3. Testing and Evaluation:
After the previous design phase, the prototype is tested with users and stakeholders to gather feedback on their usability, functionality, and design.

4. Refinement and Iteration:
After completion of the feedback collection, the design is refined, and new prototypes are created, repeating the testing and evaluation process.

5. Finalization and Manufacturing:
If a prototype qualifies as MVP (Minimum Viable Product), we are ready to manufacture the product.

Chadmirals of the Navy did iterative development with their ships

Originally they added Roosi missiles to this one class of Bri'ish ships that were the original Nilgiri class, build in India

Then they made a deshi derivative with a large hangar to hold 2x helicopters, this was the Godavari class

Then they made the country's first destroyer, with hull design inspired from Soviet vessels and carrying soviet missiles and radar wagera, this was the P15 Delhi class.

Navy has it's own design outfit called Warship Design Bureau, last i checked they hire smart nibbas from IIT Delhi itself and do design for all the warships

They also have their inhouse Electronics Engineering group called WESEE, to make raita deshi and imported from 5 places equipment work together flawlessly, your BEL wagera also do this but this is in-house Navy organization

Warship building is done mainly at MDL in Mumbai, but now major ships are also being built at GRSE Kolkata, ofc CSL made INS Vikrant because the other yards are smaller

These yards have heavy presence of Retired Navy officers of Commodore rank in managerial, I guess this application of the uniformed man's boot on the bottoms of chai-biskoot, union and strike pasand PSU workers gets them to actually work

They are also chill with collaborations and usage of stuff from other PSUs, like Indian navy ship's steel comes from SAIL, and many DRDO developed equipment is also used.

The other two services meanwhile do the bare minimum, it's either imports or screeching at DPSU or infinite trial-testing

 

[shade2]

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Kanglu is giving threat.
It wouldn't take a day to pound Turkey if we assume a war scenario.
Even a nuclear power like Pakistan has turned into a destitute.
Kanglu is having battle cry trying to blend in.

Kaisa pound karega re?
Have you seen where the cockroach nation is?

Regardless the cockroaches come in the Indian Ocean and the Navy deletes them, not even crumbs will be left for IAF and IA.

Diplomatically they are useless and have no leverage viz India, as compared to Gulf Sheikhdoms who sell us oil at the right price and have our people working there and sending forex.

Kanglul needs to stop blindly sucking that Turki kebab

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Keyword "expects"

Mfs got engine in march end but still couldnt deliver a single unit

They rolled out 1st unit on may 8 .
It's going on mate .
Hal has least mistake here .

 

[Captscooby]

People were dhoti shivering every year on this board over 8 Mard -e- Chowmein AIP pandubbis bought by Al-Bakistan in 2014, while we have only delays since then and the last Scorpene has even been inducted.

Meanwhile only 2 of these Chong subs have been launched, still under trials and the rest under construction.
It is 2025 now, 11 years while another user was lungi-shivering over "they can churn out ships like dumplings"



I am convinced most of these "PAAPISTAN TO GET J35 BY 202X" articles are all placed by LM dalals to get out dhotis to buy F35 at the cost of the country's sovereignty

Wow here comes the dalal word when we ask some rational questions desi toy boyz will simply call us as US dalal or Russian Vodka simps or Juice pimps , But then Quota baboons will deliver nothing on time and won't even do anything great on scaling up .

Yes saar my dhoti was shivering since 2014 for ching chong submarines to porkis getting delivered and now they got 2 another 6 also will come . Just go to anyone in MDL and ask them how long it took for them with their superior french support to launch the first scorpene and also go and ask your baboons in CSL how long it took to commission IAC1 ..

It is the intention china has the capacity to produce its just that they haven't give it to porkis but if they want they can do it and you don't have any capacity to counter that domestically .

Take time and let me know by 2030 what all the inductions in IAF and IN we will be seeing and also the net inventory we will have to use in 2030.

Giving 2030 because another 5 years gap before next conflict between both nations .

 

[Kapil]

Easy to say. Modi inherited a bankrupt economy. His second term started with the disastrous economic consequences of Covid. 100+ Rafales at the price they were asking was never a serious possibility in those circumstances.

Factually wrong on both counts.

Modi inherited a fatigued economy - one which survived the greatest recession I can remember.
But it was still growing at robust pace.
See chart attached.

He did harakiri by doing demonetisation which had a -ve effect on GDP growth rate( chart dips after 2016) and then a messed up GST rollout which further aggravated the MSME sector.

But for COVID, Nirmala tayi had no place to hide. Now she can say act of God sank the economy in 2020. See the curve above, it was already sinking.

So no, I am not giving him a walkover with sweeping generalizations like he inherited bad economy. He inherited a robust economy which was emerging from the recession and he created the economy which he inherited in the 2nd term.


i don't want to go into why 36 Rafales etc, but this is exactly the same mistake which was done by George Fernandez in converting a simple Mirage2000 buy into a MMRCA circus.

If Pakistan can say they will eat grass but fight India, why can't our Govt. take stern measures and do the same. What is the need of feeding 80 crore people grains with his photo on the packet when our AF is short on fighter jets to protect the country, and foot soldiers don't have BPJs and helmets?

 

[Nicky]

This is sheer intelligence failure. High time we weed these scum out.


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[FIELD MARSHAL SAHWNSTEIN]

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Kanglu is giving threat.
It wouldn't take a day to pound Turkey if we assume a war scenario.
Even a nuclear power like Pakistan has turned into a destitute.
Kanglu is having battle cry trying to blend in.

One more target for my phorce magajine!

Finally another country with enough chromosomes and Jajba to buy my abbus advertised maal.

Turkish roach bastards are giving my middle kingdoms wunderwaffle a run for its money. How dare they try to steal our "low quality for the highest price" segment

 

[Captscooby]

There is another thing i've mentioned in a previous post, they bought/begged J10C in response to our acquisition of 36 Rafale.

It wasn't pre-emptive.

People must stop taking dalal articles seriously about this beggar shithole, China is no daan-veer Karan, bheek has it's logical limits

Besides all their gucci gear is wasted on these incompetent inbreds, all they are good at is begging for ceasefire among begging for other things

So the only threat india faces right now is porkistan and we should base on our defence modernisation based on their capabilities .

Well i thought we are building our forces to defend ourselves from chinese aggression and dominate porkistan

Sorry saaaar to break this news from my dhoti . IAF has nothing to counter against the Chinese J-20 at this stage all this big talk by former CAS that our Su-30 can track those J-20s doesn't mean they can go against them in an air to air battle ..

Even in this fresh just ended conflict we found ourselves lacking in handling Air to Air battle ...China is not porkistan which you can intimidate with a S-400 covering its entire air space , Chinese has depth which your super silver bullet brahmos can't reach at a whim ..

you should always try to look your capabilities against a superior enemy instead of comparing it towards someone who you consider a nuisance .

Kar lo tumara Desi toys dreaming 35 AMCA in 2045 against 300 J-20 and keep feeling good with meme type lines like chinni maal chale toh shyam tak bla bla .

 

[Kapil]

Are bhai ye additional budget nhi hai ye stockpile replenish karne k liye fund hai. Jyada negative naa socho. Jo asla barood, drones, missiles aur anyanya samagri uda hai iss yudh mein waha ab hawa se to punah prakat nhi hoga mahodaya. Uske liye bhi arth ki avashyakta to hai..yaha wah arth hai.

Kal hi AAD ne BEL se extra IDDIS order kiye hain. Haan kuchh aise waise import honge par procurement guidelines nhi allow karengi itna imports.

Yaar dekhte hai. These guys have broken my heart so many times by buying ulta-pulta things that I don't trust them to take sane buying decisions. If what you are saying is true, I am all.fpr an emergency buy.

 

[redpanda]

Kaisa pound karega re?
Have you seen where the cockroach nation is?

Regardless the cockroaches come in the Indian Ocean and the Navy deletes them, not even crumbs will be left for IAF and IA.

Diplomatically they are useless and have no leverage viz India, as compared to Gulf Sheikhdoms who sell us oil at the right price and have our people working there and sending forex.

Kanglul needs to stop blindly sucking that Turki kebab

Kanglu pea brains still think it's 12th century and Turks can just do raids like they used to do lmao. Pea brains have not realised this is 21st century and their fake khaliphate isn't even liked by the Arabs that much.

 

[shade2]

Wow here comes the dalal word when we ask some rational questions desi toy boyz will simply call us as US dalal or Russian Vodka simps or Juice pimps , But then Quota baboons will deliver nothing on time and won't even do anything great on scaling up .

Yes saar my dhoti was shivering since 2014 for ching chong submarines to porkis getting delivered and now they got 2 another 6 also will come . Just go to anyone in MDL and ask them how long it took for them with their superior french support to launch the first scorpene and also go and ask your baboons in CSL how long it took to commission IAC1 ..

It is the intention china has the capacity to produce its just that they haven't give it to porkis but if they want they can do it and you don't have any capacity to counter that domestically .

Take time and let me know by 2030 what all the inductions in IAF and IN we will be seeing and also the net inventory we will have to use in 2030.

Giving 2030 because another 5 years gap before next conflict between both nations .

AMCA is a wet dream sorry to say it may rile up lots of Desi Toys Boyz ..Back when DFI was there i had posted my personal interaction with a pilot who said ORCA,TEDBF bla bla by 2028 ayega toh F-18 hi hai , when i just go back to the discussion we both had some many things strike right ,,

Aane wala toh F-18 tha but Rafale came out of syllabus in the last moment , which validated his claim TEDBF won't even have a design freezed by 10 years ..

Same like instead of wasting time on AMCA which again will be powered by a murican engine , Better to suck up our ego and go with F-35 at this moment not when US moves its production to F-47 or what ever NGAD is named

If we negotiate and place a order in 2 years time , Muricans can easily deliver 4-5 Sqns of F-35 by 2030 . we can deploy operationalise them and also integrate them into our war doctrine and IADS , its not that you just induct and fly an fighter right into enemy territory next day .

I am not arguing with you , considering you think buying F-35 for India is a matter of ego

You think that buying an F-35 for a non US treaty ally like India will be done in 2 years, like it is buying vegetables from a thelewala
Even ignoring the US side, you are bitching about our babooze and yet you think 2 years...

and then expecting them to deliver 5 Squadrons that is like ~100 F-35s in 2030 without even googling to see what LM's backlog is for current F-35 orders, and ofc their treaty allies ordering more F-35s each year will be added to this backlog.

There are 408 planes in backlog per this site

Lockheed Looks to Deliver Up to 190 F-35s in 2025

Lockheed Martin expects to deliver 170-190 F-35s in 2025 and took almost $2 billion in charges on secret projects in 2024's fourth quarter.

www.airandspaceforces.com

btw since you are crying about PSU chai-biskoot munchers taking forever to deliver things, here is Pentagon partially witholding payments to LM for taking forever to roll out some upgrade

Pentagon reduces withholding on F-35 payments, citing Lockheed’s progress on TR-3 development

Although the much-delayed Technical Refresh 3 update to the F-35 stealth fighter remains a work in progress, manufacturer Lockheed Martin has made sufficient advances that the Pentagon is now only withholding $3.8 million per aircraft, down from $5 million previously.

www.flightglobal.com

Continue shitting yourself over 10 foot Chinaman, F-35 nahi aayega, yanks aren't even selling it to us in the first place, and if you say >muh Doland, he also said that "Packistanis are incredible people with incredible products"

 

[crazywithmath]

Chadmirals of the Navy did iterative development with their ships

Originally they added Roosi missiles to this one class of Bri'ish ships that were the original Nilgiri class, build in India

Then they made a deshi derivative with a large hangar to hold 2x helicopters, this was the Godavari class

Then they made the country's first destroyer, with hull design inspired from Soviet vessels and carrying soviet missiles and radar wagera, this was the P15 Delhi class.

Navy has it's own design outfit called Warship Design Bureau, last i checked they hire smart nibbas from IIT Delhi itself and do design for all the warships

They also have their inhouse Electronics Engineering group called WESEE, to make raita deshi and imported from 5 places equipment work together flawlessly, your BEL wagera also do this but this is in-house Navy organization

Warship building is done mainly at MDL in Mumbai, but now major ships are also being built at GRSE Kolkata, ofc CSL made INS Vikrant because the other yards are smaller

These yards have heavy presence of Retired Navy officers of Commodore rank in managerial, I guess this application of the uniformed man's boot on the bottoms of chai-biskoot, union and strike pasand PSU workers gets them to actually work

They are also chill with collaborations and usage of stuff from other PSUs, like Indian navy ship's steel comes from SAIL, and many DRDO developed equipment is also used.

The other two services meanwhile do the bare minimum, it's either imports or screeching at DPSU or infinite trial-testing

The system can be redeemed by just pouring more money into defense budgets and earmarking a significant portion of the same towards domestic R&D and procurement of indigenously designed products.

We are not some uber rich techno paradise like the burgerboys - that culture just does not exist here (something I have discussed time and time again before on this forum). Ergo, if you want great indigenous products - you need a top down approach with dedicated missions.

And like I have explained before, it is not at all difficult to set aside 0.5-0.7% of the GDP for capex+domestic R&D even now and it will leave zero net impact on the fiscal.

But this kanjoos retarded administration does not care. Military R&D eventually trickles into civilian industrial sector and hence, an investment into the industrial future of a nation - this gormint still does NOT care.

Honestly, I wonder how much more they are going to save at this rate. They cut down on subsidies and have since started faltering on civilian capex as well (where they have hit the ceiling, they just do not have the capacity to spend any more on hard and soft infra).

And yet, you have retards here writing long ass BS responses claiming the state is going kaput on the politics thread.

Every once in a while you have idiots doing rr over the ladli behnas and annadata subsidies in BJP ruled states even though all of them continue to have conservative fiscal policies and have since started cutting down on pre election freebies with a decent degree of fiscal consolidation elsewhere.

In other words, their base is equally obsessed with 'muh fiscal health'. Which is why nobody questions their nonsensical obsession with fiscal health/consolidation.

Ji is obsessed with rating agencies and this brainrot flows into the lowest rung of the leadership and the avg bhajipao supporter alike.

 

[arjuntank]

View: https://x.com/TimesAlgebraIND/status/1923729977070981391

Yeh sab konsa naya type ka politics hai

 

[silentassassin265]

Easy to say. Modi inherited a bankrupt economy. His second term started with the disastrous economic consequences of Covid. 100+ Rafales at the price they were asking was never a serious possibility in those circumstances.

Point is not buying 100 jets but the sustainability and logistics itself.
Frenchies were never going to give us any meaningful TOT.
Until now we only managed the logistics for su30mki, until we have local engine production for lca it is also unsustainable