Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Azaad said:
The IAF can just shut down all this rumour mongering by coming out with the facts . One can understand not doing it while the operations are on but what's the excuse today ?

To make their own case worse they've also not commented on the number of kills they've scored of PAF. Why ? Coz ostensibly that would then raise the question of IAF's own losses.

If I didn't know better I'd say the GoI is behind this for if a Rafale is actually down or more than one is , GoI probably fears the opposition going on the offensive with the same old trope on Rafale a few years back about there being underhanded dealings rather than selecting the MRFA / MMRCA on merits.

Alternatively this GoI doesn't want to loosen its purse strings to make up for the attrited planes.

While both these lines of argument seem implausible IMO , what's even more implausible is the GoI's silence in this matter.

Although this particular media campaign was well handled as compared to the one in 2019 , that's such a low bar to begin with. We've still got a long way to go in the IW business.
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Well said…… Rumours have a field day in the Western media. The Pakistanis are feeding them and enjoying them.
 
chalochum said:
US and Trump have been erratic in their policies from day 1... Trump wants to be the CEO of the world so that he can bring world peace.
The dynamics of India- Russia vs Pak-China are complex...but add US in the 3D axis and it becomes worst.
As of now, nobody can claim the war is over. In fact it is far from over...this may be the beginning of the cold war era ( not in classical sense but in economic, diplomatic and soft power sense).
Pak will die but won't stop with its one upman shop against India.
India should go overdrive with its culling of terrorism with the unknown gunmen and defang their terrorist assets and even nuclear ones...
I see someone like Ajit Doval 2.0 should be good enough. It'll be back to the 70 s spy missions but with greater sophistication.
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fire starter said:

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Yeah...predicted exactly this a week ago.
Good thing is we are back to culling specific targets.
 
ThE BrOkEn HeArT said:
The question of whether a Rafale jet was downed is irrelevant in light of India's successful achievement of all its objectives. Pakistan's persistent focus on the Rafale issue appears to be driven by desperation, serving as a tool for domestic consumption and ego gratification. Engaging with this narrative only plays into the hands of the adversary, giving them the attention they seek. India should avoid amplifying such distractions and remain focused on its strategic priorities.
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Who cares what Paxtan thinks or feels ? People in places of influence know exactly what the situation is . As far as international lay man's opinion goes that's ALREADY in favour of Paxtan coz that's how the narrative is constructed in the western media.

As far as the ordinary Indian is concerned he's completely aware that we've had Paxtan by the scruff of their neck . What he'd be angry about is Leaderji letting them off when we could've probably finished them or maximised the damages !

Coming to the Rafale if it was truly brought down , it's important to know the circumstances in which it occurred.

To repeat myself if it has indeed been brought down by the HQ IADS system or the J-10CE + PL-15 combination then it's not good going for these aren't front line systems as far as the Chinese go whereas the Rafale is our tip of the spear when facing up to the PAF or PLAAF .

It brings into question their semi stealth characteristics especially SPECTRA which is touted to be the best EW suite available outside of the US perhaps next to the EW suite of the F-35.

This also happens to be one of the principal selling points of the Rafale & one of the main reasons the IAF preferred it over the Eurofighter for PURELY in terms of aerodynamics the Eurofighter is a better FA than the Rafale .
 

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Ultraman said:
To make their own case worse they've also not commented on the number of kills they've scored of PAF. Why ? Coz ostensibly that would then raise the question of IAF's own losses.

its just this , we lost jets . pakistan wont be accepting their loses so why should we ?
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Their mirage 5 loss is already in public domain. Atleast release details of that. Where the fukc is that pilot. Dead , alive or escaped / sheltered 30-40km inside Indian border.
 
Drwho said:
Most people are saying we don’t need international approval but for our existence we do. We are 150 crore we can NOT survive alone.

Out of latest india porky war we realised that :
Biggest gain has been the strong stance about Pakistan by govt and defence forces action .

Lowest point has been: diplomatic failures, we have lost on this front not one country came to support openly. USA Europe Russia Asia Africa Australia none.

And we must strengthen our selves and take drastic steps because we have surrounded our selves with enemy.

Sri lanka: china influence and sea border issues.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...icleshow/120909560.cms?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Bangladesh : border issue and diplomatic problem
https://m.economictimes.com/news/ec...icleshow/121240329.cms?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Nepal: border and political issues

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...icleshow/121196079.cms?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Myanmar : border cross border terrorist and political issues

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...icleshow/121194939.cms?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Maldives : diplomatic and china influence

https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...icleshow/120931885.cms?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Bhutan : no direct issues but china involvements and investment are changing their direction.

Pakistan : xxxxxx

China xxxxxxx

We need to rethink our stretagy and May be Modi ji include congress and other party leaders for diplomatic relations. Use hooks or crooks make them join bjp. As we will keep them in power. They need new economy policymakers and diplomatic relationship people.
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Needless chimping for gora validation. When have they stood with us? Never.
This time atleast they let us bang the porkies left and right before stepping in to stop the war.

Also, Why would their infospace let indian perspective gain more space. Remember we are fighting a nexus between ex colonizers, Hans, and Islamists. So, yes, It is not surprising if they favor their favorite and neutral parties farm some engagement.

It is only after our proofs and decisive unambiguous banging of the pigs, they have toned down and coming to grip with realities. Atleast they are accepting the reality and are neutral. Pakistan's didn't get to play gaza card. That is a win for us.
 
Someone who wrote that we shouldn't seek Western validation, is spot on. At the same time, Indians should respectively appreciate when there is genuine acknowledgement of, and support for, India's policies and positions. There are respectful and sincere individuals in the West( and in the East) who are friendly to India. Let's not alienate them in any way. Or dismiss their support.

I have a distant relative who was ultra sceptical of a particular scientific achievement in India. His view was that unless the NY Times reports on it, the discovery is likely false. Now, this is the sort of validation Indians should avoid!
 
Azaad said:
The IAF can just shut down all this rumour mongering by coming out with the facts . One can understand not doing it while the operations are on but what's the excuse today ?

To make their own case worse they've also not commented on the number of kills they've scored of PAF. Why ? Coz ostensibly that would then raise the question of IAF's own losses.

If I didn't know better I'd say the GoI is behind this for if a Rafale is actually down or more than one is , GoI probably fears the opposition going on the offensive with the same old trope on Rafale a few years back about there being underhanded dealings rather than selecting the MRFA / MMRCA on merits.

Alternatively this GoI doesn't want to loosen its purse strings to make up for the attrited planes.

While both these lines of argument seem implausible IMO , what's even more implausible is the GoI's silence in this matter.

Although this particular media campaign was well handled as compared to the one in 2019 , that's such a low bar to begin with. We've still got a long way to go in the IW business.
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Tereko bahut khujili ho rahi hai IAF se statement ki. Jyoti Malhotra ka dukh paresan kar raha hai?
 
fire starter said:

View: https://x.com/manaman_chhina/status/1924073311832543638?t=w8nrH57WJmUD_gNxkSiTng&s=19
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Balochistan and Sindh front activated simultaneously. Unknown gunman activity in Sindh. Afghan interior minister in India.

PTI and PTM will be make headlines soon. Munir and the army must be kept busy in the internal fronts.

My guess, PAF will add offensive capabilities silently (offensive because they have to show their awaam they they can do sem2sem) and ISI will target our dams.
 
Ajayant Tripathi said:
Needless chimping for gora validation. When have they stood with us? Never.
This time atleast they let us bang the porkies left and right before stepping in to stop the war.

Also, Why would their infospace let indian perspective gain more space. Remember we are fighting a nexus between ex colonizers, Hans, and Islamists. So, yes, It is not surprising if they favor their favorite and neutral parties farm some engagement.
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Varoon4 said:
Someone who wrote that we shouldn't seek Western validation, is spot on. At the same time, Indians should respectively appreciate when there is genuine acknowledgement of, and support for, India's policies and positions. There are respectful and sincere individuals in the West( and in the East) who are friendly to India. Let's not alienate them in any way. Or dismiss their support.
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there's one critical need to counter the disinformation warfare perpetrated by Pak.

most western folks receiving NYT/WAPO/western articles would not be reading beyond the headlines, and hence would form perceptions basis the flashy headings, despite what's actually in the article

at the start of the skirmish, most of these articles were praising pak and critical of india. even when the truth started coming out, their headlines were modified to suggest that india did not do much damage and pak still had the upper hand. assuming more articles come out in the future that carry the real facts, their headings will likely be watered down, and those articles themselves might be suppressed in circulation

all this leads the avg western citizen to believe pak is a david who has been fighting the indian goliath and has been winning, and they love to romanticize such stories

the problem starts when those western citizens either vote on govt policies, or enter government service themselves. they carry their own perceptions & biases, and no amount of fact flinging can convince them otherwise. that can lead to diminished support in the future for india, and a surreptitious rewriting of history by pak (goatfuckers already started modifying wikipedia pages to flip all hindu-victim massacres into muslim ones)

my only concern is, by the time the truth is realized by all parties, it's going to be too late



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delta said:
there's one critical need to counter the disinformation warfare perpetrated by Pak.

most western folks receiving NYT/WAPO/western articles would not be reading beyond the headlines, and hence would form perceptions basis the flashy headings, despite what's actually in the article

at the start of the skirmish, most of these articles were praising pak and critical of india. even when the truth started coming out, their headlines were modified to suggest that india did not do much damage and pak still had the upper hand. assuming more articles come out in the future that carry the real facts, their headings will either be cryptic and non-revelatory, and those articles themselves might be suppressed in circulation

all this leads the avg western citizen to believe pak is a david who has been fighting the indian goliath and has been winning, and they love to romanticize such stories

the problem starts when those western citizens either vote on govt policies, or enter government service themselves. they carry their own perceptions & biases, and no amount of fact flinging can convince them otherwise. that can lead to diminished support in the future for india, and a surreptitious rewriting of history by pak (goatfuckers already started modifying wikipedia pages to flip all hindu-victim massacres into muslim ones)

my only concern is, by the time the truth is realized by all parties, it's going to be too late



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We can only counter disinformation campaign with incontrovertible proof. They will still ask for other sundry things. Don't forget sometimes opereational parameters may require us to withhold information.

So, The decks are very heavily against us. The good thing we can do is not seek their validation and do our own thing.

As for IW, use our critical mass to drown out their noise. Just like we did on that epic night. We owned them even in IW.
 
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