Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[liberalredditor]

I may sound foolish but heres the best way

Remove research bodies from the central pay commission, give them different pay

I would say every scientist b role from bachelors should get min 2 lpm and every masters and phd should get min 3 lpm

Remove reservation from drdo, csir, barc, dpsu etc bodies
Nearly impossible. Right? So better bring them under a new law such that their employees info are classified, stop doing gate recruitment where you would have to specify scores/rank for cutoff
Do campus recruitment from top 7 iit + iit bhu and hyd, bits p/g/h, iiit a/b/h, top nits
And now no one would know ki kitne bachelors select hue, kis category ke hue, and warn employees on such matters ki if they disclose employee details, they would be jailed for min 10 years
Then if needed give them masters from abroad, so they can get the best of academia from the likes of ivy leagues

Our research bodies shouldnt be made a dharamshala for job creation for passionless and tier 3 idiots who give gate for sarkari attitude status
Research bodies are subject of national security and we should do secretive hiring and that too only from top institutes

Op sindoor and aftermath has given solid reasons to do make the details of research bodies classified

I hope some babus reads this plssss

Pls hire me man, give me 2 lpm i am ready to leave the 3-4 lpm corporate mazdoori sde roles
We middle class people do want to help the country but we need money too, many dont have a home, like i live on rent for the last 14 years in mumbai, my first priority for job would be money even though i had interest in fighters and gas turbines

Life is pain

 

[ezsasa]

Tbh Hal also does screw drivergiri. R&D is done by DRDO. So yeah Adani chacha can essentially replace HAL that is very much possible though he will charge premium for the risk he has to take. Adani chacha already does screw driver giri for some systems developed by DRDO..

It's not like private players don't wanna enter into the line of work of HAL, they want more money than the government wants to give. The government being kanjoos refuses to acknowledge their arguments against L1 system.

One example of DRDOxAdani:

DRDO, Adani unveil advanced vehicle-mounted counter-drone system | Bengaluru News - The Times of India

Bengaluru: DRDO and Adani Defence & Aerospace jointly unveiled country's first vehicle-mounted counter-drone system at the airshow.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

on this condescending tone that is painted on system integrators in the name of screwdrivergiri, this is an old trope, perhaps it is time to put it to rest, considering that the defence industry itself has evolved at lot this past decade.

what people call screwdriver giri, the way industry has evolved so far, it is going to be the case that there will be companies who are dedicated systems integrators like HAL, BEL, BDL and now adani. these systems integrators are the ones whose setup is oriented towards participating in tenders and fulfilling orders especially the big orders. in order to cater to the market, these companies might even have patents of their own.

more over now we know after ukraine, domestic production capacity is as important as design capability itself.

the screwdrivergiri that we used to worry about years ago, was bad faith actors who misrepresent/hide the origin of design of their product, by buying a foreign product, and slap made in India sticker on it. these were basically cases who were trying to utilise loopholes in dpp to get into tenders. dpp itself have evolved since then to keep out bad actors, and will continue to evolve.

 

[MarDePopins]

No chong won't give anything for free most likely porks will get it from eating grass with imf loan and chinease soft loan and porks are supposed to be still paying for j 10 which they got 20-40 numbers and there aur defence system are reduced to almost nothing it would be interesting to see on what porks spend there most of resources on ADS or air vectors

China providing 5th gen to paxtan on credit is literally a bheekh disguised in their plan to hurt india.

It's not important to ponder what paxtan is acquiring .. the moot point is what china is giving to paxtan i.e latest sophisticated tech with credit lines to harm india.

 

[liberalredditor]

China providing 5th gen to paxtan on credit is literally a bheekh disguised in their plan to hurt india.

It's not important to ponder what paxtan is acquiring .. the moot point is what china is giving to paxtan i.e latest sophisticated tech with credit lines to harm india.

Dont worry, they wont give it to them, they know pig brains cannot handle 5th gen sophisticated tech
Jazba cannot operate the fighter
Chini would never want their crown jewel, their magnum opus j35 to land into india and then all the countries studying it just like pl15

Although kaan is possible but it wouldnt come before 2030 and still porks wouldnt be able to handle it

What i suspect is increased production of j10 and jazbafucker17 for them

We would need something other than drones now, they will fix their loopholes
Now maybe we should mature nirbhay or pinaka er for these roles with sebex2 warhead, this combo would rawwdogg porkis
Next time the crater would be 20 meter deep and hangar would get obliterated, destroyed, fucked, all the synonyms

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[MarDePopins]

Dont worry, they wont give it to them, they know pig brains cannot handle 5th gen sophisticated tech
Jazba cannot operate the fighter
Chini would never want their crown jewel, their magnum opus j35 to land into india and then all the countries studying it just like pl15

Although kaan is possible but it wouldnt come before 2030 and still porks wouldnt be able to handle it

What i suspect is increased production of j10 and jazbafucker17 for them

We would need something other than drones now, they will fix their loopholes
Now maybe we should mature nirbhay or pinaka er for these roles with sebex2 warhead, this combo would rawwdogg porkis
Next time the crater would be 20 meter deep and hangar would get obliterated, destroyed, fucked, all the synonyms

Thanks to

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It would be dumb to assume china won't provide J35 to paxtan when Paxtan Air chief himself declared last year that paxtan will acquire J35

Pakistan-China warplane deal puts India under pressure to modernise air force

The deal to buy fifth-generation FC-31 Gyrfalcon jets reflects Pakistan and China’s ‘joint strategy and synergy to neutralise the threat emanating from India’, analysts say.

amp.scmp.com

Nd anyways J35 is not crown jewel of chinese cutting edge stealth technology instead it's the J20 which is export restricted.

J35 is the analogous to USA F35 i.e meant for exports.

Paxtan is buying J35.. IAF knows it GOI knows it .. that's why there has been chatter in south block to establish the deterrence in form of F35/Su57 in limited nos.

India contemplates Fifth-gen Fighters amid MRFA delays and Make-in-India commitment

India's Defense Ministry reveals a strategic plan for the phased induction of 114 Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) under the Make-in-India initiative.

www.republicworld.com

 

[shade2]

It would be dumb to assume china won't provide J35 to paxtan when Paxtan Air chief himself declared last year that paxtan will acquire J35

Pakistan-China warplane deal puts India under pressure to modernise air force

The deal to buy fifth-generation FC-31 Gyrfalcon jets reflects Pakistan and China’s ‘joint strategy and synergy to neutralise the threat emanating from India’, analysts say.

amp.scmp.com

Nd anyways J35 is not crown jewel of chinese cutting edge stealth technology instead it's the J20 which is export restricted.

J35 is the analogous to USA F35 i.e meant for exports.

Paxtan is buying J35.. IAF knows it GOI knows it .. that's why there has been chatter in south block to establish the deterrence in form of F35/Su57 in limited nos.

India contemplates Fifth-gen Fighters amid MRFA delays and Make-in-India commitment

India's Defense Ministry reveals a strategic plan for the phased induction of 114 Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) under the Make-in-India initiative.

www.republicworld.com

They would not export it to a country that is known to be America's bitch and footstool.
J35 is also supposed to be their future carrier based fighter jet.

Even F-35 is not exported to non-(((allies))) to prevent "technology leakage".

Your average LM, Raytheon walas would be all over the J35 if it is sold to piglets like a naarmal fighter jet.

 

[Anupu]

There is increasing chatter that US has been negatively surprised by our defensive abilities. And as such expect ge-414 to be affected. Man we are in a geopolitical tight spot. My recommendation Buy more super Sukhois. I hope this ge-414 production line is some how managed otherwise I expect both mk2 and amca to go in a toss.

 

[liberalredditor]

It would be dumb to assume china won't provide J35 to paxtan when Paxtan Air chief himself declared last year that paxtan will acquire J35

Pakistan-China warplane deal puts India under pressure to modernise air force

The deal to buy fifth-generation FC-31 Gyrfalcon jets reflects Pakistan and China’s ‘joint strategy and synergy to neutralise the threat emanating from India’, analysts say.

amp.scmp.com

Nd anyways J35 is not crown jewel of chinese cutting edge stealth technology instead it's the J20 which is export restricted.

J35 is the analogous to USA F35 i.e meant for exports.

Paxtan is buying J35.. IAF knows it GOI knows it .. that's why there has been chatter in south block to establish the deterrence in form of F35/Su57 in limited nos.

India contemplates Fifth-gen Fighters amid MRFA delays and Make-in-India commitment

India's Defense Ministry reveals a strategic plan for the phased induction of 114 Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) under the Make-in-India initiative.

www.republicworld.com

maano ya na maano, j35 is a product of maturity of 5th gen tech, thats why its a crown jewel of cheeni aviation industry

j20 gave a lot of info and data for j35, fc31 was in testing phase for a long time, idts ki pak will get it, atmost some stealth bomber of small size comparable to ghatak, a wingman to j10 at best

turkey would definitely give its kaan, i am damn sure, ummah chummah will give kaan for free to porks

and thats where comes the most important yojana of our leaderji, bomb the fucking runway and hangar and let unknown gunmen and BLA take down the pilots
handicapped airforce

 

[MarDePopins]

They would not export it to a country that is known to be America's bitch and footstool.
J35 is also supposed to be their future carrier based fighter jet.

Even F-35 is not exported to non-(((allies))) to prevent "technology leakage".

Your average LM, Raytheon walas would be all over the J35 if it is sold to piglets like a naarmal fighter jet.

It's literally amusing that u hv so much faith nd trust on china lol that they won't export J35 to paxtan when PAF air chief himself declared that they will acquire J35 from china.

Pakistan May Acquire Chinese 5th Generation J-35 Fighters to Rival Indian Air Power

Pakistan May Acquire Chinese 5th Generation J-35 Fighters to Rival Indian Air Power

armyrecognition.com

Yeah J 35 is supposed to be their future carrier aircraft but what about J35A which is meant for exports nd PLAAF??

China's new J-35A stealth fighter: A rival to the US F-35? - CNBC TV18

The J-35A's capabilities have been compared to those of the F-35, with Chinese officials claiming the J-35A is not only a competitor but could even surpass the American jet in combat. The fighter is smaller and more agile than China’s existing J-20 stealth fighters, making it a formidable asset...

www.cnbctv18.com

Nd Paxtan operates both F-16 nd j10CE so going by ur logic lockheed martin would be all over j10CE with technology leakage eh?

Well u can remain to stay ignorant but it's ain't gonna change reality.

 

[MarDePopins]

maano ya na maano, j35 is a product of maturity of 5th gen tech, thats why its a crown jewel of cheeni aviation industry

j20 gave a lot of info and data for j35, fc31 was in testing phase for a long time, idts ki pak will get it, atmost some stealth bomber of small size comparable to ghatak, a wingman to j10 at best

turkey would definitely give its kaan, i am damn sure, ummah chummah will give kaan for free to porks

and thats where comes the most important yojana of our leaderji, bomb the fucking runway and hangar and let unknown gunmen and BLA take down the pilots
handicapped airforce

As i said peeps can choose to stay ignorant but IAF & GOI knows what is cooking.. ur wish my wish won't matter when it comes to real politics..

J35A is meant for export dude.. it's not like export restricted j20

Pakistan May Acquire Chinese 5th Generation J-35 Fighters to Rival Indian Air Power

Pakistan May Acquire Chinese 5th Generation J-35 Fighters to Rival Indian Air Power

armyrecognition.com

Pakistan’s reported J-35 deal shows Chinese fighter is ‘ready for global market’

China’s sale of fifth-generation jets to South Asian ally could recalibrate regional dynamics and Pakistan-India rivalry, observers say.

www.scmp.com

 

[liberalredditor]

It's literally amusing that u hv so much faith nd trust on china lol that they won't export J35 to paxtan when PAF air chief himself declared that they will acquire J35 from china.

Pakistan May Acquire Chinese 5th Generation J-35 Fighters to Rival Indian Air Power

Pakistan May Acquire Chinese 5th Generation J-35 Fighters to Rival Indian Air Power

armyrecognition.com

Yeah J 35 is supposed to be their future carrier aircraft but what about J35A which is meant for exports nd PLAAF??

China's new J-35A stealth fighter: A rival to the US F-35? - CNBC TV18

The J-35A's capabilities have been compared to those of the F-35, with Chinese officials claiming the J-35A is not only a competitor but could even surpass the American jet in combat. The fighter is smaller and more agile than China’s existing J-20 stealth fighters, making it a formidable asset...

www.cnbctv18.com

Nd Paxtan operates both F-16 nd j10CE so going by ur logic lockheed martin would be all over j10CE with technology leakage eh?

Well u can remain to stay ignorant but it's ain't gonna change reality.

so why do you have faith on paf and china?? they say that jazbafucker17 is better than rafale? rafale ko scrap karde? they say their fleet is 7th gen allah supplied black jets, should we give up and surrender?

 

[MarDePopins]

so why do you have faith on paf and china?? they say that jazbafucker17 is better than rafale? rafale ko scrap karde? they say their fleet is 7th gen allah supplied black jets, should we give up and surrender?

Lol what an asinine logic comparing impeding enemy acquisition with claims??

so when ur adversary anounce it's respective acquisition then one needs to remain ignorant while drinking cool aid all is well .. all is well..?? Really

I for the fact have full comprehension where IAF has now plans already in place to counter enemy 5th gen fighters with limited no of F35/Su57 purchase.

It was indian media which first broke the news of PAF J10 acquisition way back in 2018..

Do u know how PAF acquisition works wrt to China which provides it a suitable credit line to finance it's acquisition?

as i said u can choose to remain ignorant but it's an open secret PAF will acquire J35A nd IAF will counter it with their own off the shelf purchase.

 

[Anupu]

F-35 is useless for us. Su-57 might trigger caatsa. Not to mention we would have to basically rebuild the entire radar avionics suit and electronic warfare on our own for it. It would have a long lead time before entering production. We may have issues even with GE414 moving forward considering American attitude and chatter about them being negatively surprised by our capabilities. Now we will have to think asymmetrically to counter our future threats.

And that’s fine just invest in domestic engine development.

 

[MarDePopins]

F-35 is useless for us. Su-57 might trigger caatsa. Not to mention we would have to basically rebuild the entire radar avionics suit and electronic warfare on our own for it. It would have a long lead time before entering production. We may have issues even with GE414 moving forward considering American attitude and chatter about them being negatively surprised by our capabilities. Now we will have to think asymmetrically to counter our future threats.

And that’s fine just invest in domestic engine development.

Lol it's really funny when random defence nerds declare fatwa on a particular item at their whims while cooking random conspiracy theory nd rhetorics.

It's for IAF to decide whether F35 is useless or not nd if SU57 fills their bits.. they are the one who will be fighting the real enemy not some random dude.

So as i said one can cook any rhetorics in this space but it would mean zilch difference to real world where IAF will definitely acquire as things are already in place to achieve the parity with enemy.

India may take Rafale route to buy US' F35 fighter jets: Govt likely to opt for limited numbers; may require special monitoring clauses

India is considering the acquisition of F35 fighter jets from the US, similar to its Rafale deal with France. The deal will likely be government-to-government with strict US technology safeguards. Limited numbers of F35s might serve as a stop-gap until India's Advanced Multirole Combat Aircraft...

m.economictimes.com

 

[shade2]

As i said peeps can choose to stay ignorant but IAF & GOI knows what is cooking.. ur wish my wish won't matter when it comes to real politics..

J35A is meant for export dude.. it's not like export restricted j20

Pakistan May Acquire Chinese 5th Generation J-35 Fighters to Rival Indian Air Power

Pakistan May Acquire Chinese 5th Generation J-35 Fighters to Rival Indian Air Power

armyrecognition.com

Pakistan’s reported J-35 deal shows Chinese fighter is ‘ready for global market’

China’s sale of fifth-generation jets to South Asian ally could recalibrate regional dynamics and Pakistan-India rivalry, observers say.

www.scmp.com

>muh IAF & Govt know what's cooking


In some other thread you were screeching about "DO YOU MEAN TO SAY IAF CHIEF IS LYING" in context of HAL BAD, so here is from IAF chief in headline itself

F-35 buzz in India? Air Chief AP Singh says ‘not so fast—It’s not like buying a washing machine’

India is at a critical juncture in its Air Force modernisation, with the United States offering the advanced F-35 stealth fighter. However, no formal proposal has been made, and concerns over cost, operational compatibility, and strategic autonomy loom large. Meanwhile, India's indigenous...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

F-35 buzz in India? Air Chief AP Singh says ‘not so fast—It’s not like buying a washing machine’
And one more from the Top MoD Baboo

'No Formal Offer Yet': Defence Secretary Rajesh Kumar Singh on Trump's Proposal to Sell F-35 Fighter Jets to India

India's Defence Secretary Rajesh Kumar Singh has said that despite US Prez Trump's proposal to sell F-35 jets to India, the US has not made a formal offer yet.

www.republicworld.com

No Formal Offer Yet': Defence Secretary Rajesh Kumar Singh on Trump's Proposal to Sell F-35 Fighter Jets to India​

Govt busy in trying to get some 36-40 more Rafale in G2G and here this nibba is high on malana cream chanting F-35 F-35 like that other bhosdapilling rudali F-35 dalla on Op Sindoor thread

 

[MarDePopins]

>muh IAF & Govt know what's cooking


In some other thread you were screeching about "DO YOU MEAN TO SAY IAF CHIEF IS LYING" in context of HAL BAD, so here is from IAF chief in headline itself

F-35 buzz in India? Air Chief AP Singh says ‘not so fast—It’s not like buying a washing machine’

India is at a critical juncture in its Air Force modernisation, with the United States offering the advanced F-35 stealth fighter. However, no formal proposal has been made, and concerns over cost, operational compatibility, and strategic autonomy loom large. Meanwhile, India's indigenous...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

F-35 buzz in India? Air Chief AP Singh says ‘not so fast—It’s not like buying a washing machine’
And one more from the Top MoD Baboo

'No Formal Offer Yet': Defence Secretary Rajesh Kumar Singh on Trump's Proposal to Sell F-35 Fighter Jets to India

India's Defence Secretary Rajesh Kumar Singh has said that despite US Prez Trump's proposal to sell F-35 jets to India, the US has not made a formal offer yet.

www.republicworld.com

No Formal Offer Yet': Defence Secretary Rajesh Kumar Singh on Trump's Proposal to Sell F-35 Fighter Jets to India​

Govt busy in trying to get some 36-40 more Rafale in G2G and here this nibba is high on malana cream chanting F-35 F-35 like that other bhosdapilling rudali F-35 dalla on Op Sindoor thread

Lmao again coping nd rhetorics..

Dude ur crying nd squealing won't make any difference to real world nd apparently ur opinion is irrelevant to IAF plans

IAF will definitely acquire off the shelf 5th gen fighters nd u can cry over it lol.. anyways IAF chief has already said that they will acquire something off the shelf whether it is F 35 or Su 57 it's for IAF nd GOI to decide..

Not like a fridge we can buy by just the looks of it: Air chief on US F-35 jets

Air Force chief AP Singh, speaking at the India Today Conclave, flagged India's need to catch up with the latest technology and accelerate its fifth-generation fighter jet program.

www.indiatoday.in

From the same article - "We may have to go in for off-the-shelf purchases with indigenous content until AMCA gets developed the Air chief said.

India Needs to ‘Accelerate and Make Sure We Are Not Found Wanting’: IAF Chief

Air Chief Marshal A.P. Singh also said the air force has ‘not given a thought’ about whether to buy the US' fifth-generation F-35 jets.

thewire.in

Nd again- Air Chief Marshal Singh said: “We may have to go in for something which is maybe [an] off-the-shelf purchase, maybe something Make in India, while we are developing our own AMCA,” referring to India’s planned fifth-generation aircraft known as the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft.

Lol now cry again.

F-35 fighter: Why India may take the Rafale route to purchase US fifth-generation fighter jets - Times of India

India-Business News: India's potential acquisition of US F-35 fighter jets may be similar to its Rafale deal with France. This interim solution aims to bolster the Indian

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Anupu]

Lol it's really funny when random defence nerds declare fatwa on a particular item at their whims while cooking random conspiracy theory nd rhetorics.

It's for IAF to decide whether F35 is useless or not nd if SU57 fills their bits.. they are the one who will be fighting the real enemy not some random dude.

So as i said one can cook any rhetorics in this space but it would mean zilch difference to real world where IAF will definitely acquire as things are already in place to achieve the parity with enemy.

India may take Rafale route to buy US' F35 fighter jets: Govt likely to opt for limited numbers; may require special monitoring clauses

India is considering the acquisition of F35 fighter jets from the US, similar to its Rafale deal with France. The deal will likely be government-to-government with strict US technology safeguards. Limited numbers of F35s might serve as a stop-gap until India's Advanced Multirole Combat Aircraft...

m.economictimes.com

Think whatever you want buddy. A system which we can’t integrate into our own C4I systems is useless to us. Not to mention we would need source codes to integrate any future desi weapons. Stealth is not a silver bullet and houthis managed to get a track on F-35

How The Houthis' Rickety Air Defenses Threaten Even The F-35

Highly mobile Houthi SAM systems and ones that use passive infrared sensors present a vexing problem for even advanced U.S. combat aircraft.

www.twz.com

Imagine what would involve taking on an advanced integrated air defence system.

Also all of this is based on expert opinion available in open source including from our current Air Force chief who has stated there is no plan to buy F-35 as of now.

We will choose between more Rafales or Su-57 most likely.

 

[Ajatshatru]

The only option is to invest heavily in the Kaveri engine program, just as Madam Indira Gandhi did with the cryogenic engine, missile, and space research programs following the American sanctions of 1973, imposed after India’s nuclear test.
India successfully developed a cryogenic engine that rivals, and in some aspects surpasses, Western and Russian counterparts. Similarly, India can develop a world-class turbofan engine; all that is needed is the kind of political will once shown by Madam Indira Gandhi.

 

[shade2]

Think whatever you want buddy. A system which we can’t integrate into our own C4I systems is useless to us. Not to mention we would need source codes to integrate any future desi weapons. Stealth is not a silver bullet and houthis managed to get a track on F-35

How The Houthis' Rickety Air Defenses Threaten Even The F-35

Highly mobile Houthi SAM systems and ones that use passive infrared sensors present a vexing problem for even advanced U.S. combat aircraft.

www.twz.com

Imagine what would involve taking on an advanced integrated air defence system.

Also all of this is based on expert opinion available in open source including from our current Air Force chief who has stated there is no plan to buy F-35 as of now.

We will choose between more Rafales or Su-57 most likely.

It is going to be Rafale only, not because it is some 786th gen stealth Wunderwaffe that we need to induct to maintain parity with the beggar shithole next door, as per one two-account-jockey here

But because it is the safe option.

IAF doesn't like Roosi maal and buying new su57 stands the very high chance of attracting CAATSA because of the Orange Ape, this is aside from Roosi's traditional delays, problems with the specific su57 supply chain and their wartime production burdens.

Neither does it have the "many cooks syndrome" like Eurofighter and Gripen with ITAR being applied

Nor is it some Amerishart gear with over 9000 terms and conditions.

But who will tell this to 2rs F-35 dalals here, atleast this one isn't soiling himself like the other one over 10 foot chinaman

 

[MarDePopins]

pakistan agar j35 legaaaaaaa, to hummmm, border par samvidhan ki shaktiii dikha dengee, hum bobsaheb ki moorti bana dengee - leader ji aka samvidhan premi alias bobsaheb ke pujari urf vanchit shoshit pichhde dalit adivasi ke rakshak shri shri 1008 Samvidhanendra Gobhi ji maharaj

I hv to admit this govt has been completely inept more so like congress when it comes to IAF.. earlier it was Congress which slept on MMRCA acquisition with shaby fiasco of deal going kaput nd now this govt also is sleeping on MRFA acquisition since long.

While it's IAF which is luking at the end of the barrel with dwindling squadron strengths.

Then we hv IDDM gangs with their muh atmanirbharta coolaid who wants IAF to fight enemy stealth fighters with tejas mk1A nd paper plane AMCA which IAF itself has committed for only paltry 40 nos even so when it will arrive in 2035 that too being completely optimistic to timelines.