Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Muzh]

Absolutely, one more idea whose time has come. Not to mention, Taiwan is a very valuable partner as far as technology, cyberwarfare and intelligence (they're essentially the same people as China) domains are concerned. In fact, even though some of the countries in the region including Taiwan are nominally under the US missile & nuclear shield - I still think India should propose sharing cruise missile, ballistic missile, and nuclear weapons technology with them and proliferate such weapons in the region, in response to China giving Pakistan ballistic missile and nuclear weapons technology decades ago. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam would be a solid start.

And while on the topic - some people, who rake up that super-old map with ROC territorial claims also need to realize that it's pretty much irrelevant and meaningless now in this day and age for all practical purposes. That's not a reason to slow down or mess up relations with Taiwan.

Taiwan is an island nation, a very small island nation. And thus, their defense challenge is quite unique. I think what Taiwan needs, if it wants to become a bit more assertive, is following:

a. A coastal radar network that can monitor against potential Chinese amphibious assault
b. An Indian style hi-tech air defense system capable of thwarting aerial assault from Chinese air force
c. A variety of field guns, howitzers, and rockets to engage in high intensity shelling
d. Helicopter gunships and fixed-wing aircrafts to carry out raids against amphibious assault
e. Destroyers, frigates, corvettes, submarines, and missile boats

I do not think they would need nuclear weapons.

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

Taiwan is an island nation, a very small island nation. And thus, their defense challenge is quite unique. I think what Taiwan needs, if it wants to become a bit more assertive, is following:

a. A coastal radar network that can monitor against potential Chinese amphibious assault
b. An Indian style hi-tech air defense system capable of thwarting aerial assault from Chinese air force
c. A variety of field guns, howitzers, and rockets to engage in high intensity shelling
d. Helicopter gunships and fixed-wing aircrafts to carry out raids against amphibious assault
e. Destroyers, frigates, corvettes, submarines, and missile boats

I do not think they would need nuclear weapons.

Nothing to really do with "need" to be honest - this is more from the Indian perspective both to really put China in a strategic bind/effectively neuter them in their own backyard, and also to return the favor for what they did by giving this tech to Pakistan.

Otherwise yes, I've always argued that China simply cannot invade Taiwan even based on the current situation - even without giving Taiwan anything else beyond what it already has right now. I had a comment a while back on this thread detailing various challenges like only really being able to attack from the Strait in the West (which is a kill-zone), needing immense scale of preparation which would also be easily spotted, not having any experience in launching such a D-Day type operation etc

 

[Gyyaan]

View: https://x.com/Shahaanbaloch95/status/1925230440517874044
Munnirs writers didn't take these plot holes into account

 

[apoorv465]

Truth or propoganda??




View: https://x.com/Chopsyturvey/status/1925342108799680575

 

[Gyyaan]

Truth or propoganda??

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Pakis don't have HCMs even chinese are still working on it.(He probably meant CM-400 so it should ALBM)
If you remove HCMs rest is GTG.
1 Saab AWACS gone is confirmed.
No body knows how many F-16 were in the hangers we will probably never know(1 confirmed from the SAT image).
2 jets were downed certainly [1 mirage & 1JF-17blk3(if blk 1 & 2 don't have IFR probe ]
Lots of LMs gone.
Multiple Fatehs taken out(some noise about a SSM being fired but nothing can be said with certainty)
Some noise about Chinki wingloon being destroyed (unconfirmed)

 

[Guynxdor]

Truth or propoganda??

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4 fighter jets were eliminated in the air and 4 F-16s were obliterated on ground. Is this an official release?

 

[Ajatshatru]

4 fighter jets were eliminated in the air and 4 F-16s were obliterated on ground. Is this an official release?

Indian Air Force stated that no fighter jets crossed into Pakistan, but people in Pakistan reported seeing jets dropping bombs near the Kirana Hills. Could it have been a drone? I’m not sure if India has any bomber drones.

 

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/RT_India_news/status/1925212211942756663

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

You know the guys talking about the IFS babooze with foreign settled spawn === Amerishart leverage?
That applies to any other class of baboo, uniform or "skilled" dhoti.
All together have played their part to cause this dependency.

If the commitment to strategic autonomy were concrete we would have atleast 3 versions of tejas with different engines so that there is redundancy, or just run with AL31FP based planes

"Russian engine MBTO === kachra, West engine is best" may be true from a technical perspective but it is only a fig-leaf to install such a dependency.

Lets hope they have enough stock of consoomable spares used for GE F404/F414 atleast we will be able to bang pakis for some time that way till whatever embargo puts a hard stop to it.

Tejas are designed to adopt India made engines later in their lifecycle. GE engines are stopgap. Also, We can always stockpile a dozen spare engines. Just in case.
I will not be worried about it too much.

 

[chnvipgz]

View: https://x.com/KreatelyMedia/status/1925300530013679840?t=14o0P3mImartu8MsBWOxWA&s=19

 

[Ajatshatru]

I believe India already possesses some type of stealth bomber drone—perhaps the GHATAK UCAV or something similar. I’m drawing this conclusion based on reports from people in Pakistan who claimed to see an aircraft dropping bombs near the Kirana Hills.

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

View: https://x.com/Shahaanbaloch95/status/1925230440517874044
Munnirs writers didn't take these plot holes into account

My reading right now is that it's an excuse to go and start a genocide in Balochistan, nothing else. They'll use this to justify some sort of "anti-terror campaign/offensive" and shift their attention and forces back to the West - this will also be an easier opponent than India to try and maybe score some sort of "win" after India just kicked their asses (could try to unite the country behind it as well, like they tried after APS Peshawar). That's what they did once they got back their PoW's from Bangladesh in '71 - Tikka Khan went from being the Butcher of Bengal to the Butcher of Balochistan in '74.

But the thing is, other than killing/raping innocents - I'm not sure they'll even be able to achieve much in Balochistan this time, especially if India finally steps the fuck up and starts supply of heavy duty weaponry like anti-armor and anti-air systems. This is an idea whose time has come.

 

[Decahex]

Truth or propoganda??

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View: https://x.com/Chopsyturvey/status/1925342108799680575

I see no mention of the C-130. This loss is perhaps the most accepted one among the international observers, AFAIK.

 

[maximus777]

My reading right now is that it's an excuse to go and start a genocide in Balochistan, nothing else. They'll use this to justify some sort of "anti-terror campaign/offensive" and shift their attention and forces back to the West - this will also be an easier opponent than India to try and maybe score some sort of "win" after India just kicked their asses (could try to unite the country behind it as well, like they tried after APS Peshawar). That's what they did once they got back their PoW's from Bangladesh in '71 - Tikka Khan went from being the Butcher of Bengal to the Butcher of Balochistan in '74.

But the thing is, other than killing/raping innocents - I'm not sure they'll even be able to achieve much in Balochistan this time, especially if India finally steps the fuck up and starts supply of heavy duty weaponry like anti-armor and anti-air systems. This is an idea whose time has come.

I think India should mass produce cheap drones and flood it in Balochistan through Afghanistan. Baloch boys can score some HQ9 and corner site-walas from the fauj foundation maybe?

 

[maximus777]

Truth or propoganda??

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I wish they had identified the aircraft types for the 4 jets in the air. I hope there is a J10C in the mix somewhere. Badly need to puncture its veneer of invincibility and maybe tank its stocks too!

 

[Decahex]

There is a video of two C-130 burning can you share it

I know of only one.

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/war/comments/1kiyi3j/clearer_footage_of_a_c130_burning_at_noor_khan_afb/

 

[JConline]

I believe India already possesses some type of stealth bomber drone—perhaps the GHATAK UCAV or something similar. I’m drawing this conclusion based on reports from people in Pakistan who claimed to see an aircraft dropping bombs near the Kirana Hills.

Weren't the projectiles dropped on Kirana Hills allegedly missiles? If it is true that would limit the platform to Su 30 MKI.
Now, exploring what you said, the DRDO Ghatak's fist prototype flight trials was successful way back in Dec 2023. So it wouldn't be entirely improbable that IAF might have fielded a prototype. One thing that does act as a counter-argument is that the Ghatak stores it's weapons internally and from the visuals that came out of Kirana Hills, the explosions seemed to be too big for anything the Ghatak could potentially carry. Also, there are only 2 known prototypes of the Ghatak. Apparently, we hit multiple entrances at Kirana Hills. For the platform to be the Ghatak, IAF would need multiple Ghataks.
Moving on, let's explore a few other possibilities. Pakistan did bring in emergency drones and equipment right before the conflict started. I wouldn't be surprised if we did too. When the Pahalgam attack happened, I had made a rather outrageous wish that JD Vance is in India and Modi should try and get an early shipment of the 31 MQ-9B drones we purchased.

So my hypothesis on this would be that, if we did use UCAVs to hit Kirana, from the size of the blasts, I'd say those were AGM-114 Hellfire II anti-armor missiles launched from a few MQ-9Bs. Please note, that throughout that period we did have US military cargo planes that flew in and out of India. Could also explain why the US seems to be overly invested in this conflict and Trump is certainly pissed at Modi.

Please take all of the above with a massive pinch of salt. The easiest explanation still is that IAF categorically denied hitting Kirana Hills. So it's obvious that they wouldn't accept responsibility for flying Indian jets into Pakistan to bomb Kirana Hills.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Weren't the projectiles dropped on Kirana Hills allegedly missiles? If it is true that would limit the platform to Su 30 MKI.
Now, exploring what you said, the DRDO Ghatak's fist prototype flight trials was successful way back in Dec 2023. So it wouldn't be entirely improbable that IAF might have fielded a prototype. One thing that does act as a counter-argument is that the Ghatak stores it's weapons internally and from the visuals that came out of Kirana Hills, the explosions seemed to be too big for anything the Ghatak could potentially carry. Also, there are only 2 known prototypes of the Ghatak. Apparently, we hit multiple entrances at Kirana Hills. For the platform to be the Ghatak, IAF would need multiple Ghataks.
Moving on, let's explore a few other possibilities. Pakistan did bring in emergency drones and equipment right before the conflict started. I wouldn't be surprised if we did too. When the Pahalgam attack happened, I had made a rather outrageous wish that JD Vance is in India and Modi should try and get an early shipment of the 31 MQ-9B drones we purchased.

So my hypothesis on this would be that, if we did use UCAVs to hit Kirana, from the size of the blasts, I'd say those were AGM-114 Hellfire II anti-armor missiles launched from a few MQ-9Bs. Please note, that throughout that period we did have US military cargo planes that flew in and out of India. Could also explain why the US seems to be overly invested in this conflict and Trump is certainly pissed at Modi.

Please take all of the above with a massive pinch of salt. The easiest explanation still is that IAF categorically denied hitting Kirana Hills. So it's obvious that they wouldn't accept responsibility for flying Indian jets into Pakistan to bomb Kirana Hills.

we know the publicly available capabilities of Indian Air Force, there may be other assets we’re unaware of. Remember, no one knew IAF had MiG-25s until it was revealed they had been flying them over Pakistan for years.

 

[JConline]

we know the publicly available capabilities of the Indian Air Force, there may be other assets we’re unaware of. Remember, no one knew the IAF had MiG-25s until it was revealed they had been flying them over Pakistan for years.

Yep, agreed. Honestly, I don't think most of the forum was even aware of all of the weapon systems we used during Op Sindoor and how well everything was integrated and layered, let alone classified stuff.
Ngl, Op Sindoor puts a few things into perspective. The greatest of which, for me, is that much of our rr on this forum is unfounded.

 

[maximus777]

we know the publicly available capabilities of Indian Air Force, there may be other assets we’re unaware of. Remember, no one knew IAF had MiG-25s until it was revealed they had been flying them over Pakistan for years.

It's sad that we had to mothball those Mig25s. It would have been a potent platform for or air launched Agni variants with its speed and altitude, could have possibly been one of the options for the air arm of the nuke triad.