DRDO and PSUs

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/Harinderindi22/status/1925139934383395238

 

[Blood+]

true promoter of atmanirbhar bharat and DRDO - Make armenia great again


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/1ksewnp/report_armenia_signed_over_15_bln_in_defense/

Report: Armenia Signed Over $1.5 Bln In Defense Contracts With India

Armenia signed over $1.5 billion in defense contracts with India between 2022 and 2023, according to a report by the Russian International Affairs Council (RIAC) cited by Vedomosti. The agreements include acquisitions of 214mm Pinaka multiple rocket launchers, 155mm ATAGS artillery systems, ZADS...

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If I were at Vishwaguru's place, I'd offer them a buy one, get one free kind of deal (or maybe even get two for free), just to spite those turkroaches.

Anyway, on to the subject of Project Kusha. Is it just me, or the projected speed of these interceptor missiles is kinda on the lower end (especially when contrasted against the likes of Arrow 2 or the THAAD)?? Could any informed member share their views on this, please?? @randombully @fire starter @ezsasa @Azaad

 

[ezsasa]

If I were at Vishwaguru's place, I'd offer them a buy one, get one free kind of deal (or maybe even get two for free), just to spite those turkroaches.

Anyway, on to the subject of Project Kusha. Is it just me, or the projected speed of these interceptor missiles is kinda on the lower end (especially when contrasted against the likes of Arrow 2 or the THAAD)?? Could any informed member share their views on this, please?? @randombully @fire starter @ezsasa @Azaad

i am presuming, you are imagining ad system is like a bullet hitting another bullet scenario.

we can use this video below of interception over haryana for reference, the ad presumably BARAK8 coming in from the left, and paki rocket/missile coming from the right. the AD missile slows down and places itself in the path of the paki rocket/missile, warhead detonates when the paki rocket/missile comes in proximity.

in our kind of scenario where interception has to happen within seconds after launch because of near proximity of paki border, speed of the ad missile alone does not determine it's success. like barak8 fins and tvc has to work in tandem to get the warhead as close to missile as possible. Project Kusha M1 and M2 have fins and TVC.


View: https://x.com/Shahrcasm/status/1920972042683158825

 

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1925620221575917992

 

[randombully]

If I were at Vishwaguru's place, I'd offer them a buy one, get one free kind of deal (or maybe even get two for free), just to spite those turkroaches.

Anyway, on to the subject of Project Kusha. Is it just me, or the projected speed of these interceptor missiles is kinda on the lower end (especially when contrasted against the likes of Arrow 2 or the THAAD)?? Could any informed member share their views on this, please?? @randombully @fire starter @ezsasa @Azaad

Kusha is s400 category not Thaad category.
The mainstay 48N6 missile of s400 has similar max speed as projected in kusha.

S500 is in Thaad category( anti ballistic), though s500 is designed for more wide applications than thaad.

 

[Yt2211]

View: https://x.com/DefenceDecode/status/1925792588549795857?t=_PHO0_XSh0-B6GEZQYdjNA&s=19

 

[Cyclops]

View: https://x.com/DefenceDecode/status/1925792588549795857?t=_PHO0_XSh0-B6GEZQYdjNA&s=19

Whatever happened to the indigenous multi-barrelled CIWS that DRDO was making?

 

[Yt2211]

View: https://x.com/DefenceDecode/status/1925857378752192897?t=aGPjnzGL7pRihVW5Tq4omg&s=19

 

[Yt2211]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1925852647984124098?t=Rk-3hRsOlAk2Lj1Nh2XM3g&s=19

 

[shade2]

Whatever happened to the indigenous multi-barrelled CIWS that DRDO was making?

Gatling gun CIWS is passe
Vid related is the new hotness


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwjcayPuag&pp=ygUXcmhlaW5tZXRhbGwgYWlyIGRlZmVuY2U%3D

It's basically a 35-40mm auto-cannon with high fire rate, each shell fired is programmed when leaving the barrel for a timed airburst, supposedly more accurate against both drones and missiles

Other merchants have similar offerings

This is Burger-Anglo-Swedish

Bofors 40 Mk4 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is French

RapidFire

RapidFire a perfect response to very short-range defence requirements of the armed forces.

www.thalesgroup.com

Oto Melara of Italy has a similar upgrade for the 76mm SRGM but there the projectile itself is guided, no airburst

On the Deshi end, DRDO has produced HEPF airburst shells for AK-630 and inducted by Navy

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2051215

On private sector sides there is L&T Sudarshan CIWS based on Bofors 40mm L70 gun

Close-In Air Defence System - Sudarshan | Air Defence Solutions | Land Platforms | Land Platforms, Equipment and Systems | Our Offerings | L&T PES

Know more about the Close-In Air Defence System - Sudarshan of L&T PES. Visit our website to get more information

www.larsentoubro.com

The main benefit is with these smart airburst shells, you get a greater probability of deleting the drone/missile for lesser rounds spent rather than the gatling gun ciws where you spray high RPM shells hoping to physically hit the missile/drone using the sheer volume of dakka being put out

 

[Blood+]

Gatling gun CIWS is passe
Vid related is the new hotness


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwjcayPuag&pp=ygUXcmhlaW5tZXRhbGwgYWlyIGRlZmVuY2U%3D

It's basically a 35-40mm auto-cannon with high fire rate, each shell fired is programmed when leaving the barrel for a timed airburst, supposedly more accurate against both drones and missiles

Other merchants have similar offerings

This is Burger-Anglo-Swedish

Bofors 40 Mk4 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is French

RapidFire

RapidFire a perfect response to very short-range defence requirements of the armed forces.

www.thalesgroup.com

Oto Melara of Italy has a similar upgrade for the 76mm SRGM but there the projectile itself is guided, no airburst

On the Deshi end, DRDO has produced HEPF airburst shells for AK-630 and inducted by Navy

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2051215

On private sector sides there is L&T Sudarshan CIWS based on Bofors 40mm L70 gun

Close-In Air Defence System - Sudarshan | Air Defence Solutions | Land Platforms | Land Platforms, Equipment and Systems | Our Offerings | L&T PES

Know more about the Close-In Air Defence System - Sudarshan of L&T PES. Visit our website to get more information

www.larsentoubro.com

The main benefit is with these smart airburst shells, you get a greater probability of deleting the drone/missile for lesser rounds spent rather than the gatling gun ciws where you spray high RPM shells hoping to physically hit the missile/drone using the sheer volume of dakka being put out

Now that laser proximity fuses have seen sufficient miniaturisation, such complicated methods are no longer needed, in my humble opinion, that is.

 

[shade2]

Now that laser proximity fuses have seen sufficient miniaturisation, such complicated methods are no longer needed, in my humble opinion, that is.

me point that smart airburst shells from high fire rate single barrel cannon is the future

"try to hit one missile with a 6 barrel gun's over 900000 rpm of lead output" is the past.

if you notice all the new ship designs world wide don't include muh phalanx anymore, including for burgers, it's for good reason, mainly because of drones but also because airburst seems to be better for taking out even missiles

 

[Blood+]

me point that smart airburst shells from high fire rate single barrel cannon is the future

"try to hit one missile with a 6 barrel gun's over 900000 rpm of lead output" is the past.

if you notice all the new ship designs world wide don't include muh phalanx anymore, including for burgers, it's for good reason, mainly because of drones but also because airburst seems to be better for taking out even missiles

No disagreement there, mate.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Now that laser proximity fuses have seen sufficient miniaturisation, such complicated methods are no longer needed, in my humble opinion, that is.

Two possible issues:-
1.) In a mass of enemy drones, the proximity Fuze will trigger at the first drone itself. This allows swarms to use a set of their drones as screens to trigger proximity fuzes prematurely.
In a timer airbust fuze, you can set it to burst in the middle of a swarm of drones for maximum effect.
2.) Jamming. Not sure how good the ECCM of a miniature laser proximity fuze will be. A timer based airbust can't be jammed.

 

[Blood+]

Two possible issues:-
1.) In a mass of enemy drones, the proximity Fuze will trigger at the first drone itself. This allows swarms to use a set of their drones as screens to trigger proximity fuzes prematurely.
In a timer airbust fuze, you can set it to burst in the middle of a swarm of drones for maximum effect.
2.) Jamming. Not sure how good the ECCM of a miniature laser proximity fuze will be. A timer based airbust can't be jammed.

Yeah, didn't think about that. Good point.

 

[karn]

Two possible issues:-
1.) In a mass of enemy drones, the proximity Fuze will trigger at the first drone itself. This allows swarms to use a set of their drones as screens to trigger proximity fuzes prematurely.
In a timer airbust fuze, you can set it to burst in the middle of a swarm of drones for maximum effect.
2.) Jamming. Not sure how good the ECCM of a miniature laser proximity fuze will be. A timer based airbust can't be jammed.

Isn't the laser dazzler the equivalent of a jammer for a radiowave based system .. I can't think of anything that is designed to counter laser based prozimity fuse .. and laser proximity fuses are used to overcome the risk of jamming of the traditional radio based fuses,

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Isn't the laser dazzler the equivalent of a jammer for a radiowave based system .. I can't think of anything that is designed to counter laser based prozimity fuse .. and laser proximity fuses are used to overcome the risk of jamming of the traditional radio based fuses,

Yep. I was thinking of a drone in a swarm carrying a DIRCM type payload but for Lazer, not IR jamming.
I know that normally laser proximity Fuze have some eccm, like pulsing, etc. But I'm not sure if miniature fuzes have them. And once the enemy knows the wavelength of our proximity fuze......

Timing based Fuze will simply be immune to this.

@Blood+ do you have any literature or brand name for laser proximity fuzes in 30mm or 40mm? Wanted to know their ECCM capabilities.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Two possible issues:-
1.) In a mass of enemy drones, the proximity Fuze will trigger at the first drone itself. This allows swarms to use a set of their drones as screens to trigger proximity fuzes prematurely.
In a timer airbust fuze, you can set it to burst in the middle of a swarm of drones for maximum effect.
2.) Jamming. Not sure how good the ECCM of a miniature laser proximity fuze will be. A timer based airbust can't be jammed.

Time based detonator can fix the issue with Swarm creating a wall to eat the impact of proximity fuses.

Skyranger from krauts already does something like that. You can also use munitions with high rate of sharpnel dispersion to knockout alot of drones at once.

There is one I have been thinking about is creating interceptor drones with can be controlled by a autonomous computer and basically ram themselves into a drone swarm with explosives. It can even be manually controlled.

 

[Blood+]

Yep. I was thinking of a drone in a swarm carrying a DIRCM type payload but for Lazer, not IR jamming.
I know that normally laser proximity Fuze have some eccm, like pulsing, etc. But I'm not sure if miniature fuzes have them. And once the enemy knows the wavelength of our proximity fuze......

Timing based Fuze will simply be immune to this.

@Blood+ do you have any literature or brand name for laser proximity fuzes in 30mm or 40mm? Wanted to know their ECCM capabilities.

I remember reading something about one such fuze design from BAE Systems for 40mm and 57mm projectiles. I'll see if I can find it again.

 

[Blood+]

Time based detonator can fix the issue with Swarm creating a wall to eat the impact of proximity fuses.

Skyranger from krauts already does something like that. You can also use munitions with high rate of sharpnel dispersion to knockout alot of drones at once.

There is one I have been thinking about is creating interceptor drones with can be controlled by a autonomous computer and basically ram themselves into a drone swarm with explosives. It can even be manually controlled.

I believe the Americans have such a system operational.