IAF's Sukhoi Su-30MKI

[DumbPilot]

Was there any hardware changes that necessitated this new cone though?

I am guessing that a new radar transparent coating was applied onto the radome

 

[NerVik]

I am guessing that a new radar transparent coating was applied onto the radome

I was hoping the radar itself got updated

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

I was hoping the radar itself got updated

Nah that will come with the new fleet wide update

 

[Corvus Splendens]

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/1jw5pkp/iaf_su30mki_low_pass_during_iniochos_2025video/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

 

[DumbPilot]

I was hoping the radar itself got updated

The radome structure/coating is equally as important. If the atoms/molecules in the coating reflect or absorb radar waves, then it is a serious issue with respect to offensive and defensive electronic attack ability

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

@fire starter , @haldilal , @125mm_Smoothbore , @AGNI 6 ICBM , others,

When can we expect the 1st MKI with DAS-MAWS?

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

@fire starter , @haldilal , @125mm_Smoothbore , @AGNI 6 ICBM , others,

When can we expect the 1st MKI with DAS-MAWS?

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We don't even have a certified frame with all those 6 ir sensors and 80-90 aircrafts have been upgraded with indigeneous dcmaws

Post in thread 'Super Sukhoi's'

Jul 1, 2024

DC-MAWS is dual colour missile approach warning system. Dual Colour MAWS system operates in the mid IR band for identifying the approaching missiles of all generations. The spectral information of two colors is used to discriminate efficiently between sunlight reflections, background radiation and the radiation from the missile. The DCMAWS consists of a set of up to six dual color IR sensors installed on the platform, which samples the space in accordance with the defined spatial coverage and integrated with advanced processor running state-of-the-art clutter rejection and tracking...

• Satish Sharma Ji

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@fire starter , @haldilal , @125mm_Smoothbore , @AGNI 6 ICBM , others,

When can we expect the 1st MKI with DAS-MAWS?

View attachment 35757

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

We don't even have a certified frame with all those 6 ir sensors and 80-90 aircrafts have been upgraded with indigeneous dcmaws

Post in thread 'Super Sukhoi's'

Jul 1, 2024

DC-MAWS is dual colour missile approach warning system. Dual Colour MAWS system operates in the mid IR band for identifying the approaching missiles of all generations. The spectral information of two colors is used to discriminate efficiently between sunlight reflections, background radiation and the radiation from the missile. The DCMAWS consists of a set of up to six dual color IR sensors installed on the platform, which samples the space in accordance with the defined spatial coverage and integrated with advanced processor running state-of-the-art clutter rejection and tracking...

• Satish Sharma Ji

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yeah, i mean our DC-MAWS, not the Russian ones.
If 80+ MKIs have been upgraded with DC-MAWS, do we have any image?

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

yeah, i mean our DC-MAWS, not the Russian ones.
If 80+ MKIs have been upgraded with DC-MAWS, do we have any image?

I don't

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

“When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return.”
– Leonardo DaVinci

IAF Sukhoi Su-30MKI stealing the show by performing a low-level pass and soaring through the Vouraikos canyon in Greece !
From multinational exercise INIOCHOS-2025.




Credit: to respective owners!

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Humpy Bumpy sat on a runway

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Humpy Bumpy sat on a runway

View attachment 37103

> The CONTEXT here is the RCS of MKI visible at large distances, in future era of emerging 6gen & us also making a stealth jet like AMCA.
> The RCS increases the PK (Probability of Kill).
The Su-30MKI has been a versatile, strong backbone, deterrent, premium fighter of IAF.
> But in future its big RCS will have to be compensated by LR-AAMs like Astr-3 SFDR. But others are also developing LR-AAMs.
> Some MKIs are upgraded with MAWS, better radar, avionics, SPJ which was done 10 years back on Su-35. Others are also doing such things. So by our delay we have reduced the useful MLUed life by at least 10-15 years.
> MKI's predominant strong point has been TVC. But J-10C also has it & J-20 may also get it. May be other Chinese Flankers will get it.
> Some people are confused on big radar. AESA radar doesn't flash all its TRMs together, but narrow beams in different modes. ofcourse, more TRMs means more advantage in certain way but doesn't mean straight away a better jet overall.
>What Russia is doing with their Su-3X (35, 30SM, etc) to counter EF-2000s, Rafales, Gripen, etc, is not comparable to India's geography, geopolitics, economy, etc. Moreover, they do have Su-75 initiated & can disclose answer to FCAS, GCAP any day.
> Russia, USA, EU are selling their 4gen to fund their 5/6gen projects.
> They themselves will use 4gen as broomers, moppers, with high stand-off weapons, or against weak adversaries in asymmetrical situation where chances of getting shot down, ejection, pilot's death/capture is almost none.
> The recent Indo-Pak clash was a short skirmish. It is easy to hide & deny losses on both sides. In larger scale wars the losses will be more visible to everyone, very difficult to hide/deny.
> If world makes mistakes, should we learn from it or copy those acts again?
> Su-3X is a beautiful jet, even i personaly like it really a lot, but MKI is not our design but modified version. They are the most humpy-bumpy fighters, the eagle has already become turkey, sorry to say that. So sentiments will not help. Progressive self-scrutiny/criticism is needed.
> AMCA should become the new backbone of IAF.
> Meanwhile when we've license produced them so obviously they've to be used for next 30-40 years. The best way to use MKI is with much awaited MLUs, Astr-3 SFDR AAM, high stand-off range AGMs. Unless the enemy has shot all BVR-AAMs, the MKI should not come WVR. That's another challenge to find out during battle.

 

[r8rdarklord]

In capitalist nation with high privatisation, the govt. will obviously look bad. NASA has done well & US govt. agencies have done lots of R&D but military products come from private companies. Here ISRO has done well & DRDO does the R&D but i guess we may be drifting towards Western military setup for products.
But living standard in West is far better than here.
If negotiated well then Private sector pays more bcoz they don't give pension & there's no guarantee of gratuity unless someone sticks in a company for 5 years. Many people instead of saving that more money for retirement, waste on overbudgeted things.
Govt. job is supposed to give grade-wise pay, residence, medical facilities, transport, etc which private sector may or may not give, may or may not charge extra. Pvt. Sec. HRs try to dupe & cheat everyone during recruitment.
In Private sector, people can overtake others, which in govt. job could be more tough.

That is incorrect. We contribute to social security, medicaid and medicare. Once I retire I will be paid social security. If you own your home & live conservatively the social security is enough to cover your expenses. Medicaid covers the medical expenses once you retire.

 

[Hari Sud]

That is incorrect. We contribute to social security, medicaid and medicare. Once I retire I will be paid social security. If you own your home & live conservatively the social security is enough to cover your expenses. Medicaid covers the medical expenses once you retire.

Not true….. I am not social security and own everything I have, but need additional income to lead a average life.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

> The CONTEXT here is the RCS of MKI visible at large distances, in future era of emerging 6gen & us also making a stealth jet like AMCA.
> The RCS increases the PK (Probability of Kill).
The Su-30MKI has been a versatile, strong backbone, deterrent, premium fighter of IAF.
> But in future its big RCS will have to be compensated by LR-AAMs like Astr-3 SFDR. But others are also developing LR-AAMs.
> Some MKIs are upgraded with MAWS, better radar, avionics, SPJ which was done 10 years back on Su-35. Others are also doing such things. So by our delay we have reduced the useful MLUed life by at least 10-15 years.
> MKI's predominant strong point has been TVC. But J-10C also has it & J-20 may also get it. May be other Chinese Flankers will get it.
> Some people are confused on big radar. AESA radar doesn't flash all its TRMs together, but narrow beams in different modes. ofcourse, more TRMs means more advantage in certain way but doesn't mean straight away a better jet overall.
>What Russia is doing with their Su-3X (35, 30SM, etc) to counter EF-2000s, Rafales, Gripen, etc, is not comparable to India's geography, geopolitics, economy, etc. Moreover, they do have Su-75 initiated & can disclose answer to FCAS, GCAP any day.
> Russia, USA, EU are selling their 4gen to fund their 5/6gen projects.
> They themselves will use 4gen as broomers, moppers, with high stand-off weapons, or against weak adversaries in asymmetrical situation where chances of getting shot down, ejection, pilot's death/capture is almost none.
> The recent Indo-Pak clash was a short skirmish. It is easy to hide & deny losses on both sides. In larger scale wars the losses will be more visible to everyone, very difficult to hide/deny.
> If world makes mistakes, should we learn from it or copy those acts again?
> Su-3X is a beautiful jet, even i personaly like it really a lot, but MKI is not our design but modified version. They are the most humpy-bumpy fighters, the eagle has already become turkey, sorry to say that. So sentiments will not help. Progressive self-scrutiny/criticism is needed.
> AMCA should become the new backbone of IAF.
> Meanwhile when we've license produced them so obviously they've to be used for next 30-40 years. The best way to use MKI is with much awaited MLUs, Astr-3 SFDR AAM, high stand-off range AGMs. Unless the enemy has shot all BVR-AAMs, the MKI should not come WVR. That's another challenge to find out during battle.

ur points r valid....if su 30 mki is going near border or enemy space. but now we hv loitering munitions, cruise missiles, MBRL, ballistic missiles for ground attack roles. so su 30 mki dont need to go near border, it can do stand off attacks with brahmos etc.
now its (su 30) real test come in defensive wars in our air space. in that case for su 30 mki help our sam system comes in picture. they "can" create a "no man air space" near border. beside this jamming pods, bvr missiles quality, aesa radar (specially GAN), defensive measure (chaff nd flair quality), pilot training nd talent can help su 30 mki to atleast fight against any 4.5 genration fighters.
i heard IIT ( may be madras) develop two type of RAM coating. first type of coating is cheaper, so it should be applied in su 30 mki nd its weapons. its better to add atleast one R37 M bvr missile should add in all su 30 mki, untill astra 3 comes in picture.

 

[r8rdarklord]

Not true….. I am not social security and own everything I have, but need additional income to lead a average life.

I have no idea about your situation. However, my personal expenditures for food, living expenses, etc, can be taken care of by my social security cheque.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

ur points r valid....if su 30 mki is going near border or enemy space. but now we hv loitering munitions, cruise missiles, MBRL, ballistic missiles for ground attack roles. so su 30 mki dont need to go near border, it can do stand off attacks with brahmos etc.
now its (su 30) real test come in defensive wars in our air space. in that case for su 30 mki help our sam system comes in picture. they "can" create a "no man air space" near border. beside this jamming pods, bvr missiles quality, aesa radar (specially GAN), defensive measure (chaff nd flair quality), pilot training nd talent can help su 30 mki to atleast fight against any 4.5 genration fighters.
i heard IIT ( may be madras) develop two type of RAM coating. first type of coating is cheaper, so it should be applied in su 30 mki nd its weapons. its better to add atleast one R37 M bvr missile should add in all su 30 mki, untill astra 3 comes in picture.

> All 4gen jet globally have equal theoretical opportunity against each other & threat from each other. Rest depends on geography, geopolitics, economy, etc. It is best for all of them to have good RWR & DAS-MAWS + tactics to survive SAMs, AAMs.

> But RAM coating & changing RAS skin could be very costly, consuming money for R&D.

> Some 4.5gen jets have used composite materials, but from beginning itself or MLUed at right time. That reduced the RCS from say 1sqm to 0.1 sqm but that's not enough at all bcoz radars & seekers also improved.

> I already said that the aggressor is also getting all those weapons & tech.
China is leading us & Pakistan will sell its people & our stolen land to import their stuff, although lower export level quality obviously. The primary focus is China.

> We wan't our AMCA to be stealthy, so does China with its J-20, J-31/35.
Both sides are developing tech like new GaN radar, but at what range they will detect each other, who will see & launch 1st, that matters. If we wan't AMCA to see & shoot Su-30MKK, J-11/15/16 1st then they also want J-20/31/35 to & shoot MKI, LCA, MiG-29, Rafale 1st. It is about technology, not sentiments.

> When AMCA prototypes will fly, apparently at least 1 of them will be put in full stealth mode with RAS, RAM, EW, in passive & active modes, to test against all our MKI, Rafale, MiG-29, LCA, etc at different ranges, angles.
Then nobody will like the 4gen jets. So better to simulate, anticipate, adapt to future from today.

> Hence MLUed 4.5gen MKI + MAWS + Astr-3 SFDR + GaN radar + possible R-37M
Vs
Chinese Su-35-S, Su-30 MKK, J-11/15/16 + PL-15/17/21
There is 50-50 chance for both sides.

But MKI Vs J-20/31/35
or MKK, Su-35-S, J-11/15/16 Vs AMCA
are asymmetrical situation.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

> The CONTEXT here is the RCS of MKI visible at large distances, in future era of emerging 6gen & us also making a stealth jet like AMCA.
> The RCS increases the PK (Probability of Kill).
The Su-30MKI has been a versatile, strong backbone, deterrent, premium fighter of IAF.
> But in future its big RCS will have to be compensated by LR-AAMs like Astr-3 SFDR. But others are also developing LR-AAMs.
> Some MKIs are upgraded with MAWS, better radar, avionics, SPJ which was done 10 years back on Su-35. Others are also doing such things. So by our delay we have reduced the useful MLUed life by at least 10-15 years.
> MKI's predominant strong point has been TVC. But J-10C also has it & J-20 may also get it. May be other Chinese Flankers will get it.
> Some people are confused on big radar. AESA radar doesn't flash all its TRMs together, but narrow beams in different modes. ofcourse, more TRMs means more advantage in certain way but doesn't mean straight away a better jet overall.
>What Russia is doing with their Su-3X (35, 30SM, etc) to counter EF-2000s, Rafales, Gripen, etc, is not comparable to India's geography, geopolitics, economy, etc. Moreover, they do have Su-75 initiated & can disclose answer to FCAS, GCAP any day.
> Russia, USA, EU are selling their 4gen to fund their 5/6gen projects.
> They themselves will use 4gen as broomers, moppers, with high stand-off weapons, or against weak adversaries in asymmetrical situation where chances of getting shot down, ejection, pilot's death/capture is almost none.
> The recent Indo-Pak clash was a short skirmish. It is easy to hide & deny losses on both sides. In larger scale wars the losses will be more visible to everyone, very difficult to hide/deny.
> If world makes mistakes, should we learn from it or copy those acts again?
> Su-3X is a beautiful jet, even i personaly like it really a lot, but MKI is not our design but modified version. They are the most humpy-bumpy fighters, the eagle has already become turkey, sorry to say that. So sentiments will not help. Progressive self-scrutiny/criticism is needed.
> AMCA should become the new backbone of IAF.
> Meanwhile when we've license produced them so obviously they've to be used for next 30-40 years. The best way to use MKI is with much awaited MLUs, Astr-3 SFDR AAM, high stand-off range AGMs. Unless the enemy has shot all BVR-AAMs, the MKI should not come WVR. That's another challenge to find out during battle.

Su-30s are going to be relevant as Air superiority fighters for another 20-25 years maximum.
however, they WILL be eternal bhisma pitamahas, dying only by iccha-mrityu- as in when IAF grows bored- because as long as that beast can fly, it will be a GOD at SEAD/DEAD and medium range bomber that can bomb anything between chongking to south-eastern Iran and up to Kazakhstan, on full tank of gas and a full loadout.
Su-30 is the Russian F-15. It may get old, but it is an immortal due to having a crazy air-frame that has an amazing skeleton to it.
Still to this day, Su-30 is only matched by the F15 in the quadruple crown of range+lift capacity+electric power output ( to run onboard systems) and nose-cone volume.
It has a 11.5 ton lift capacity on full internal tank of gas, which gives it 1500km combat radius. That is still unmatched - the lift capacity+range, by all but one or two other planes in service.

meaning, it even when its a hunk of junk for areal combat, is STILL going to be a killer mid range A2G bomber in bombing roles. it will also be extremely effective in SEAD/DEAD while in friendly air/space because its nose cone capacity+humongous electrical power output means, it can have its Electronics and radar suite upgraded to high infinity- it comes with basically infinite power + space cheat-code for radar and electronics stuff.
True, its not stealth, so not 'ideal' for SEAD/DEAD but stealth is *NOT* proven in SEAD/DEAD over any mediocre ADS but its lack of stealth is not a big deal when it carries on SEAD/DEAD over friendly airspace, which still means it can do all th SEAD/DEAD we wish for over entire Pakistan to most of tibet with a regular brahmos on its underbelly.
In these two roles, until Tibet is freed from China, this Bhisma pitamah will never die till it literally rusts away into dust.

We will be grade-A retards to retire the Su-30MKI. it needs TLC till pretty much 2100 coz why would you ever retire a plane, that at the very least, can deliver 11.5 tons of hurt and doom as far as middle of kazakhstan at speeds greater than any true bomber ??

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Su-30s are going to be relevant as Air superiority fighters for another 20-25 years maximum.
however, they WILL be eternal bhisma pitamahas, dying only by iccha-mrityu- as in when IAF grows bored- because as long as that beast can fly, it will be a GOD at SEAD/DEAD and medium range bomber that can bomb anything between chongking to south-eastern Iran and up to Kazakhstan, on full tank of gas and a full loadout.
Su-30 is the Russian F-15. It may get old, but it is an immortal due to having a crazy air-frame that has an amazing skeleton to it.
Still to this day, Su-30 is only matched by the F15 in the quadruple crown of range+lift capacity+electric power output ( to run onboard systems) and nose-cone volume.
It has a 11.5 ton lift capacity on full internal tank of gas, which gives it 1500km combat radius. That is still unmatched - the lift capacity+range, by all but one or two other planes in service.

meaning, it even when its a hunk of junk for areal combat, is STILL going to be a killer mid range A2G bomber in bombing roles. it will also be extremely effective in SEAD/DEAD while in friendly air/space because its nose cone capacity+humongous electrical power output means, it can have its Electronics and radar suite upgraded to high infinity- it comes with basically infinite power + space cheat-code for radar and electronics stuff.
True, its not stealth, so not 'ideal' for SEAD/DEAD but stealth is *NOT* proven in SEAD/DEAD over any mediocre ADS but its lack of stealth is not a big deal when it carries on SEAD/DEAD over friendly airspace, which still means it can do all th SEAD/DEAD we wish for over entire Pakistan to most of tibet with a regular brahmos on its underbelly.
In these two roles, until Tibet is freed from China, this Bhisma pitamah will never die till it literally rusts away into dust.

We will be grade-A retards to retire the Su-30MKI. it needs TLC till pretty much 2100 coz why would you ever retire a plane, that at the very least, can deliver 11.5 tons of hurt and doom as far as middle of kazakhstan at speeds greater than any true bomber ??

You wanted to hack my family members' devices & insult all of them & still want to converse with import lobby exponent, desi product dismissive idiot, dehati, dumbass, paid troll like me?

 

[r8rdarklord]

Su-30s are going to be relevant as Air superiority fighters for another 20-25 years maximum.
however, they WILL be eternal bhisma pitamahas, dying only by iccha-mrityu- as in when IAF grows bored- because as long as that beast can fly, it will be a GOD at SEAD/DEAD and medium range bomber that can bomb anything between chongking to south-eastern Iran and up to Kazakhstan, on full tank of gas and a full loadout.
Su-30 is the Russian F-15. It may get old, but it is an immortal due to having a crazy air-frame that has an amazing skeleton to it.
Still to this day, Su-30 is only matched by the F15 in the quadruple crown of range+lift capacity+electric power output ( to run onboard systems) and nose-cone volume.
It has a 11.5 ton lift capacity on full internal tank of gas, which gives it 1500km combat radius. That is still unmatched - the lift capacity+range, by all but one or two other planes in service.

meaning, it even when its a hunk of junk for areal combat, is STILL going to be a killer mid range A2G bomber in bombing roles. it will also be extremely effective in SEAD/DEAD while in friendly air/space because its nose cone capacity+humongous electrical power output means, it can have its Electronics and radar suite upgraded to high infinity- it comes with basically infinite power + space cheat-code for radar and electronics stuff.
True, its not stealth, so not 'ideal' for SEAD/DEAD but stealth is *NOT* proven in SEAD/DEAD over any mediocre ADS but its lack of stealth is not a big deal when it carries on SEAD/DEAD over friendly airspace, which still means it can do all th SEAD/DEAD we wish for over entire Pakistan to most of tibet with a regular brahmos on its underbelly.
In these two roles, until Tibet is freed from China, this Bhisma pitamah will never die till it literally rusts away into dust.

We will be grade-A retards to retire the Su-30MKI. it needs TLC till pretty much 2100 coz why would you ever retire a plane, that at the very least, can deliver 11.5 tons of hurt and doom as far as middle of kazakhstan at speeds greater than any true bomber ??

SU 30 is bested by SU 35s in every respect. We don't know much about F 15 Ex & won't know until it takes part in live combat.