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Indian Air Force to get advanced indigenous smart anti-airfield weapon for fighter jet fleet
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Wow
These essential equipments which can literally turn the face of the conflict has not been inducted until now
Just amazing
And guess how much missiles will DAC clear barely 500 even that would be a lot from these babus
And then we will have to wait for 2-3 years for CCS approval
We have been cursed with such people sitting at top during such critical times
 
(Reuters) -Reliance Infrastructure (RELINFRA.NS) has partnered with France's Dassault Aviation (AM.PA) to make Falcon 2000 jets in India, the companies said on Wednesday, as the South Asian country aims to increase sourcing of locally-made defense equipment.

Dassault said it aims to deliver the first made-in-India jets by 2028 for corporate and military use, and will cater to rising demand in both Indian and international markets.

India, the world's biggest arms importer, has been looking to step up domestic production, with global firms pushed to produce in India - either on their own or in collaboration with domestic partners.

New Delhi also aims to boost defence exports, which jumped 12% in the fiscal year to end-March, to $2.76 billion.

 
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(Reuters) -Reliance Infrastructure (RELINFRA.NS) has partnered with France's Dassault Aviation (AM.PA) to make Falcon 2000 jets in India, the companies said on Wednesday, as the South Asian country aims to increase sourcing of locally-made defense equipment.

Dassault said it aims to deliver the first made-in-India jets by 2028 for corporate and military use, and will cater to rising demand in both Indian and international markets.

India, the world's biggest arms importer, has been looking to step up domestic production, with global firms pushed to produce in India - either on their own or in collaboration with domestic partners.

New Delhi also aims to boost defence exports, which jumped 12% in the fiscal year to end-March, to $2.76 billion.

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Baguettes want the IAF Rafale order pretty badly to dangle all carrots like this
 
what if the brit had defected with his f35 and wanted indian citizenship??
 
shade2 said:
Baguettes want the IAF Rafale order pretty badly to dangle all carrots like this
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Where modern air warfare is headed, I think for <= 4.5 generation the significance of the platform is becoming less.

To me, (SU30MKI with Virupaksha radar + Astra mk2 & mk3 + Indigenous EW) or (LCA mk2 with Uttam mk2 + Astra mk2 & mk3 + IEWS) >>> Rafale currently in Indian service with spectra + meteors.
 
snakeeyes07 said:
Where modern air warfare is headed, I think for <= 4.5 generation the significance for the platform is becoming less.

To me, (SU30MKI with Virupaksha radar + Astra mk2 & mk3 + Indigenous EW) or (LCA mk2 with Uttam mk2 + Astra mk2 & mk3 + IEWS) >>> Rafale currently in Indian service with spectra + meteors.
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Aayega to Rafale Hi.

Nothing is stopping it, Govt chindigiri also seems to have gone.

I too would have preferred the Su-30 Super Sukhoi upgraded for heavy jet, Tejas mk2/Gripen type plane as single engine light jet and AMCA to be our stealth jet.

But Import Khors have won :/
 
shade2 said:
Baguettes want the IAF Rafale order pretty badly to dangle all carrots like this
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After Rafale, there is not much in the way of any new big projects for Dassault. Yes, there is that 6th generation fighter project with Germany FCAS. But it will be a sinkhole for both the countries given how much money is needed for research and development. UK did the same mistake of going alone initially with their Tempest program only for them capitulate later and bring in Japan and Italy to share the costs. There is a possibility even Sweden might join as well later on.

Germany and France don't have much money to pour into military let alone on new fighter program. France had to increase their retirement age few months ago to try to avert a collapse of their pension system which led to riots. And Germany is grappling with problems of it's own after Ukraine war with rising energy costs. Even in the best case scenario it will cost them 50 billion Euros for R & D. Building manufacturing and assembly line will cost extra. Yes, Dassault is looking for long order book. If we play our cards right, we can get something here. I am really in favor of 3 more squadrons of Rafale with the condition they share their source code to integrate our own weapons.
 
concard said:
After Rafale, there is not much in the way of any new big projects for Dassault.
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LOL.
In case of a SCAF failure (50% possible), Dassault already work on a plan B.
+ they probably will have a contract to study a space shuttle (a Hermes shuttle NG).
+ The work on the UCAV (for Rafale F5 and SCAF or plan B).
etc....

When you see than F16 remains on production 47 years after 1st flight, we may imagine that a so well studied jet will remain on the market after 2040.
 
BON PLAN said:
LOL.
In case of a SCAF failure (50% possible), Dassault already work on a plan B.
+ they probably will have a contract to study a space shuttle (a Hermes shuttle NG).
+ The work on the UCAV (for Rafale F5 and SCAF or plan B).
etc....

When you see than F16 remains on production 47 years after 1st flight, we may imagine that a so well studied jet will remain on the market after 2040.
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I am mainly talking about big fighter jet project. After Rafale it is FCAS, right? Rafale will be improved with future iterations with F5 like you said. But who will be it's future customers apart from the existing ones? F-16 is a different case. It came in 1970's during cold era. And US supplied to most NATO countries and also it's allies. However, can you say the same to F-15 which is a formidable fighter? The cost of Rafale means not many will be signing up like the F-16 even it is in production. Let's see who will be it's future customers.
 
I am not averse to buying a few more squadrons of Rafale. But no ToT source codes and weapons integration is a questionable choice.

We need a 5th gen stop gap till the paper plane AMCA enters service 15 years from now. The Russian deal with full ToT, source code and local manufacturing needs to be seriously considered. It will help our engine development too.

With thr way things are going with the Americ**ts, it will be foolhardy to rely on their engines for future Tejas versions and the AMCA. The fickle scoundrels are no allies, they will stop supplies at the drop of a hat if things go south.

Hopefully the idiot Putin will stop his pointless war soon and get sanctions lifted as a precondition to 'peace' so that we can do business with them
 
Noob_Saibot said:
I am not averse to buying a few more squadrons of Rafale. But no ToT source codes and weapons integration is a questionable choice.

We need a 5th gen stop gap till the paper plane AMCA enters service 15 years from now. The Russian deal with full ToT, source code and local manufacturing needs to be seriously considered. It will help our engine development too.

With thr way things are going with the Americ**ts, it will be foolhardy to rely on their engines for future Tejas versions and the AMCA. The fickle scoundrels are no allies, they will stop supplies at the drop of a hat if things go south.

Hopefully the idiot Putin will stop his pointless war soon and get sanctions lifted as a precondition to 'peace' so that we can do business with them
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If U.S. doesn’t supply fighter jet engines to India, they risk losing billions of dollars to France. They were furious when India rejected the outdated F-16 and went with Rafales instead. Now France is working on a 90kN version of the M88, and India’s Kaveri engine is undergoing testing and certification in Russia. On top of that, India and France are preparing to co-develop a 110kN engine. The U.S. knows very well that India is on track to develop its own fighter jet engines, which means their window to cash in on a major engine deal is closing fast. That’s exactly why they’re shifting GE F414 production to India—because if India hands the deal to France, the U.S. military-industrial complex loses out. And losing a major arms contract with the world’s biggest weapons buyer is something Washington wants to avoid at any cost.
 
shade2 said:

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1935279057073005056

Froggies must be asked by govt whether they are willing to sell us the M88 T-REX engine and can it be fitted in existing rafales.

This is a 90kn engine, could possibly be a replacement for the ((( GE F414 ))) that Americans will surely make us do mujra over
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It will take a long time before the M88 T-Rex engine becomes operational. By then, the Kaveri engine with 75kN thrust will already be ready, and work on the 110kN engine will have begun.
 
Noob_Saibot said:
I am not averse to buying a few more squadrons of Rafale. But no ToT source codes and weapons integration is a questionable choice.

We need a 5th gen stop gap till the paper plane AMCA enters service 15 years from now. The Russian deal with full ToT, source code and local manufacturing needs to be seriously considered. It will help our engine development too.

With thr way things are going with the Americ**ts, it will be foolhardy to rely on their engines for future Tejas versions and the AMCA. The fickle scoundrels are no allies, they will stop supplies at the drop of a hat if things go south.

Hopefully the idiot Putin will stop his pointless war soon and get sanctions lifted as a precondition to 'peace' so that we can do business with them
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Do you really imagine russia (or USA or GB or France) giving you all the source code ???
It is too dangerous for the seller and too precious.
The max possible is creating some special entry in the software so as to easily integrate new weapons and modify some functions. Not more.
And in the opposite case that only means one thing : the source code is or a old one or a lightened one.

Do you remember the mess when some commercial datas about Scorpene were realeased (by TKMS) ???
 
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