Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (16 Viewers)

[liberalredditor]

Best combo

1- 54 new rafale f4 ( no more su57, iaf would again become khichdi air force )
2- 40-50 new super sukhoi
3- upgrade whole fleet of 260 su30 mki to standardise logistics and operations
4- get 97 more mk1a with iterational upgrade and kaveri in end 40-50 jets
5- when mk2 comes out, get 300-400 mk2
6- amca mk1 - 72, amca mk2- 200-250 considering plaaf doesnt go for 1000+ 5th gen
7- pushing mig29 and mirage 2000 till 2035 to prevent squadron crunch
8- ghatak fast track to replace jaguar fleet for ground strike capability
9- cats warrior fast track to act as missile truck for other fighters so that their rcs remains under 1-2 m2

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

By Kuntal Biswas.
Credit goes to him.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Instead of upgrading older sukhoi at such high cost shouldn't we just make new with better engine and upgrades. Su30 is our primary jet for all testing.
We can sell or give older one to Armenia and other countries

bro if we upgrade atleast 75% of our su 30 mki, they will become better than most pakistani fighters nd most chinese flankers nd their knockoffs. if i m not wrong that makes near 60-70% of total chinese fighters. yeah super sukhoi upgrade is costly.
personally i think we should only upgrade aesa radars nd BVR missiles in our su 30 mki. we already develop GAN based jamming pods. this is enough upgrade for su 30 mki, with some other different type of missiles. we can also apply some cheaper RAM coating as well for decreasing su 30 mki RCS.
selling our su 30 mki to armenia etc dont make sense. coz we ourself is suffering from low squadron. if we hv to give or sell any platform currently to any country,,, i think only jaguar nd mirage 2000 is suitable for it. other fighters r more capable nd useful to us. mirage 2000 is still good ground attack fighter. but in BVR fights with 80 km range MICA RF, mirage 2000 is lacking in air to air fights. unless we equip astra 1 or MICA NG in it. dont know mirage 2000 pesa old radar can assist these BVR or not for 100+ km range.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

By Kuntal Biswas.
Credit goes to him.
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Is it AMCA nd tejas mark 2....plz mention about aircrafts also. some r not knowledgeable like u to understand. thnx.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/ShiroBarks/status/1937908237615174128

Is this true?

What all has been sacrificed just to force Govt to order a specific model of French jet?

 

[705-Lira]

View: https://x.com/ShiroBarks/status/1937908237615174128

Is this true?

What all has been sacrificed just to force Govt to order a specific model of French jet?

It's true

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[Ajatshatru]

In my opinion:- HAL will deliver all 83 tejas mark 1a near 2031/32. coz they r 1-2 year behind orignal delivery of 2029. this timeline can even late, coz still only one engine given by GE nd they promised to provide two engine per month. so who knows they will fullfill their promise or not like before.
If we see tejas mark 2 timeline. HAL/ADE said tejas mark 2 will be ready for production near 2028. but we know how we work, so assume they will make tejas mark 2 production ready near 2030-31. IF we r sure about that timeline, we should order 200 tejas mark 2. instead of giving order of 97 tejas mark 1a. coz to deliver it, they will take another 3/4/5 year (if we assume they will deliver at 24/32 fighter per year). so we will getting tejas mark 2 only after 2034-35.
if we compaire tejas mark 2, its far better than tejas mark 1a. its hv longer range, larger weapon carring capability. beside this:-
1:- more hardpoints.
2:- MAWS.
3:- infrared sensor.
4:- GAN based aesa radars.
5:- may be supercruise ability.
6:- RAM coating nd better avionics.
so moving toward more powerful nd capable fighter (tejas mark 2) is vetter option than ordering 97 tejas mark 1a. but air force nd government r not in hurry to make our air force more capable. so they will order 97 tejas mark 1a.

That’s exactly the point —Tejas Mk1A easily fits into the hardened shelters originally built for MiG-21. Replacing MiG-21 with larger fighter jets would require the IAF to build new hardened shelters, which would be a very expensive undertaking. Even China continues to operate MiG-21 (J-7) because it hasn’t yet developed a suitable replacement.

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/ShiroBarks/status/1937908237615174128

Is this true?

What all has been sacrificed just to force Govt to order a specific model of French jet?

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[SwordOfDarkness]

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HAL proposing 4 more sq SU30MKI

 

[shade2]

It's true

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>They are offered 72 more of a well known, and integrated platform that they already use
>In 2019
>To prevent the line from shutting down
>and suppliers from going out of buisiness
>but they want 10 onlee



>It is 2025
>They cry about declining squadrons to the media
>Their boss says "maza nahi aa raha"
>I am not convinced of the above being true

 

[Ajatshatru]

China has around 200 MiG-21 (J-7) aircraft, but they are used primarily for training rather than combat roles.

A small fighter jet may have limitations such as lower range, smaller payload capacity, and a smaller radar, but it is also easier to maintain. the infrastructure required to support and operate a small fighter jet is also small.

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

Is it AMCA nd tejas mark 2....plz mention about aircrafts also. some r not knowledgeable like u to understand. thnx.

Hi! Yes it's AMCA & Tejas MK-II. Henceforth I will be sure to mention the aircraft type every time I post any CGI render, for the convenience of folks like you.
Regards!

 

[redpanda]

>They are offered 72 more of a well known, and integrated platform that they already use
>In 2019
>To prevent the line from shutting down
>and suppliers from going out of buisiness
>but they want 10 onlee

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>It is 2025
>They cry about declining squadrons to the media
>Their boss says "maza nahi aa raha"
>I am not convinced of the above being true

That just says how retarded our IAF babooz are. People blame HAL, but these guys themselves are responsible for most of the problems they have. That doesn't mean HAL is dudh ka dhula but these guys are not dudh ka dhula as well..

 

[assassin162]

Don't forget about the Kurds.
If Turkroaches can poke their nose in our affairs we can into theirs also

From many years the jihadi infiltrators that are slaughtered in Kashmir are found equipped with Turkish weapons, it can be repaid in the same coin

waise ye to sahi baat hai, kurds ko hathiyaar bechan hi chahiye......

 

[shade2]

That just says how retarded our IAF babooz are. People blame HAL, but these guys themselves are responsible for most of the problems they have. That doesn't mean HAL is dudh ka dhula but these guys are not dudh ka dhula as well..

HF-24 Marut was in service in 1967 per wiki.
HAL Tejas is in service since 2015 but only 30 planes
Rest of the fleet is made up of besht impoorts but still squadrons are declining saar!!!
Need to import more French jets but the Modi Govt with it's 56" chest and chiseled jawline says NO since 2016, because a 100 jet order is too expensive.
Paucity of AWACS, Old soviet IL76 based refuellers, ISTAR planes for which they have to beg the below to spare their MPAs

Meanwhile,
INS Godavari, designed indigenously by Navy from Leander class, build in India and commissioned in 1983.
Today most of the fleet is made up of designed and built in India ships from patrol boat to Aircraft Carrier.
Frigate, Corvette order size are 7-8 as compared to 3-4 earlier and light corvettes are 16 as compared to 8 earlier.
Surface fleet strength is increasing, orders for necessary imported airborne assets like MPA, ASW Choppa, SeaGuardian drone and new fighter jets for carrier are placed/delivered.
Order for 5 Made in India Fleet tankers have been placed, ejection of Turkish design partner was only a speed bump
Private sector ship design and ship building indirectly boosted by Navy orders.
3 SSBNs are in service, partially designed and built by Navy in their own facility

There is no excuse for the current predicament of the Rayban-dharis, it is the hole they have dug themselves into.
It is up to them to get out of it

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

HF-24 Marut was in service in 1967 per wiki.
HAL Tejas is in service since 2015 but only 30 planes
Rest of the fleet is made up of besht impoorts but still squadrons are declining saar!!!
Need to import more French jets but the Modi Govt with it's 56" chest and chiseled jawline says NO since 2016, because a 100 jet order is too expensive.
Paucity of AWACS, Old soviet IL76 based refuellers, ISTAR planes for which they have to beg the below to spare their MPAs

Meanwhile,
INS Godavari, designed indigenously by Navy from Leander class, build in India and commissioned in 1983.
Today most of the fleet is made up of designed and built in India ships from patrol boat to Aircraft Carrier.
Frigate, Corvette order size are 7-8 as compared to 3-4 earlier and light corvettes are 16 as compared to 8 earlier.
Surface fleet strength is increasing, orders for necessary imported airborne assets like MPA, ASW Choppa, SeaGuardian drone and new fighter jets for carrier are placed/delivered.
Order for 5 Made in India Fleet tankers have been placed, ejection of Turkish design partner was only a speed bump
Private sector ship design and ship building indirectly boosted by Navy orders.
3 SSBNs are in service, partially designed and built by Navy in their own facility

There is no excuse for the current predicament of the Rayban-dharis, it is the hole they have dug themselves into.
It is up to them to get out of it

That just says how retarded our IAF babooz are. People blame HAL, but these guys themselves are responsible for most of the problems they have. That doesn't mean HAL is dudh ka dhula but these guys are not dudh ka dhula as well..

I wish our Airforce had a vision like the Navy when it came to Atmanirbhartha!
The Indian Navy from the very beginning understood the importance of having an indigenous defence industry to cater to it's domestic requirements.

One can't win wars against an enemy like China which can give even the American MIC a run for their money by being dependent on imports which are subject to arm twisting & complete stop of supplies during a war or conflict. That's the sole reason why we have never bought a single fighter aircraft from Uncle Sam despite Lockheed Martin marketing their rebranded F-16 aka F-21 to the IAF in the MMRCA 2.0.

If it weren't for our Late DM Manohar Parrikar, Today the LCA Tejas would never be flying in the IAF & today we would have been ready to import even the Swedish JAS-39 Gripen but we aren't because of the Tejas MK-II which is in advanced stages of development and is equal to and even surpasses the Gripen in some aspects. It's only because of Parrikar's push that the IAF had to accept the LCA. If it weren't for Parrikar, there would be no Tejas, if it weren't for LCA MK-1 or Mk-1A, there probably never would have been an MWF in the making because any such program to develop Tejas MK-II would have never existed.

Back to reality. That's how sad the current affairs are! Sad but true! I hope the IAF starts taking indigenization more seriously from now onwards.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

I don't understand the logic of buying more rafales? They are semi-stealth, not fully stealth. Spectra is good no doubt. But do we really need them now and maintain them till 2050? Our current strength is more than sufficient to tackle Pakistan and Kanglus. Even if we buy 100 more Rafale they will be insufficient in a war against China.

So, Stop Gaps are actually this time not a good solution. We have sufficiency to deal with Porkies and insufficiency to deal with chongs. Chongs are also not going to invade for atleast 3-4 more years.

In aerial domain we are handicapped by our inability to develop a proper jet engine. It is where we need to work on. We should not buy fully built planes anymore unless its a joint collaboration where India also has significant say.

So, We should on priority basis should be looking for following:
1. A large Engine order with most of the TOT to India and production in India. I am okay with few material imports. If during the crises the supplier OEM bails, we can invoke force majure to dishonor their IP.
2. A JV with significant Indian involvement and production in India. Possible candidate French.

 

[redpanda]

I don't understand the logic of buying more rafales? They are semi-stealth, not fully stealth. Spectra is good no doubt. But do we really need them now and maintain them till 2050? Our current strength is more than sufficient to tackle Pakistan and Kanglus. Even if we buy 100 more Rafale they will be insufficient in a war against China.

So, Stop Gaps are actually this time not a good solution. We have sufficiency to deal with Porkies and insufficiency to deal with chongs. Chongs are also not going to invade for atleast 3-4 more years.

In aerial domain we are handicapped by our inability to develop a proper jet engine. It is where we need to work on. We should not buy fully built planes anymore unless its a joint collaboration where India also has significant say.

So, We should on priority basis should be looking for following:
1. A large Engine order with most of the TOT to India and production in India. I am okay with few material imports. If during the crises the supplier OEM bails, we can invoke force majure to dishonor their IP.
2. A JV with significant Indian involvement and production in India. Possible candidate French.

Tbh Rafales are a cheaper stopgap solution than 5th gen jets. With F5 upgrade it probably can handle J35, if we have those in a decent numbers. So I wouldn't mind getting more of those.

 

[TopWatcher]

I don't understand the logic of buying more rafales? They are semi-stealth, not fully stealth. Spectra is good no doubt. But do we really need them now and maintain them till 2050? Our current strength is more than sufficient to tackle Pakistan and Kanglus. Even if we buy 100 more Rafale they will be insufficient in a war against China.

So, Stop Gaps are actually this time not a good solution. We have sufficiency to deal with Porkies and insufficiency to deal with chongs. Chongs are also not going to invade for atleast 3-4 more years.

In aerial domain we are handicapped by our inability to develop a proper jet engine. It is where we need to work on. We should not buy fully built planes anymore unless its a joint collaboration where India also has significant say.

So, We should on priority basis should be looking for following:
1. A large Engine order with most of the TOT to India and production in India. I am okay with few material imports. If during the crises the supplier OEM bails, we can invoke force majure to dishonor their IP.
2. A JV with significant Indian involvement and production in India. Possible candidate French.

Boss what else we do ?

Tejas not coming, amac not near to complete...what else we do ??

Nobody giving us engine....

I this case only option to buy

 

[shade2]

I don't understand the logic of buying more rafales? They are semi-stealth, not fully stealth. Spectra is good no doubt. But do we really need them now and maintain them till 2050? Our current strength is more than sufficient to tackle Pakistan and Kanglus. Even if we buy 100 more Rafale they will be insufficient in a war against China.

So, Stop Gaps are actually this time not a good solution. We have sufficiency to deal with Porkies and insufficiency to deal with chongs. Chongs are also not going to invade for atleast 3-4 more years.

In aerial domain we are handicapped by our inability to develop a proper jet engine. It is where we need to work on. We should not buy fully built planes anymore unless its a joint collaboration where India also has significant say.

So, We should on priority basis should be looking for following:
1. A large Engine order with most of the TOT to India and production in India. I am okay with few material imports. If during the crises the supplier OEM bails, we can invoke force majure to dishonor their IP.
2. A JV with significant Indian involvement and production in India. Possible candidate French.

mig29( 60 ), Jaguars( 113 ), Mirages ( 46 ) are 218 planes total as of now from the wiki.

Either all of these or some might retire in the next decade of 2030-2040.

In the meantime you can bet more of the above models will crash irrespective of the herculean efforts of IAF pilots to recover.

Tejas, AMCA etc will continue to face those ((( engine supply chain ))) issues mark my words.

We don't want Eurofighter because too many cooks, we don't want Gripen because of the US engine, we don't want anything Russian because Khauf -e- CAATSA and muh ruzzian engine bad

We ofc don't want any Amerithrash for the obvious reasons.

What remains then ?

Also the Rafale is the carrot to get them to collaborate with GTRE to ressurect the Kaveri somehow.

It's not countering chong stealth jets, it's that we are losing planes in absolute terms as years pass by and continuing to flog these old horses is dangerous for pilots