Indian Navy Developments & Discussions (21 Viewers)

[randombully]

vlsrsam wont be inducted on land by army or airforce?? thats pure idiotic decision, we could have replaced the old akash 1s on chini side with cheaper vlsrsam option

i think maybe p18 would have some large diameter cells to carry brahmos 2 or lrashm, but thats just speculation

Post in thread 'Indian Navy Developments & Discussions' https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indian-navy-developments-discussions.28/post-173861

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1940013079590576578

"Udaygiri is the 100th ship designed and delivered( ??? ) by the Warship Design Bureau"



In terms of deliveries this year is shaping up to be "there are decades where nothing happens and there are weeks where decades happen" for the Indian Navy

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2141259

PIB press release says the rest of Nilgiris will be delivered by end of 2026

 

[liberalredditor]

View: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1940013079590576578

"Udaygiri is the 100th ship designed and delivered( ??? ) by the Warship Design Bureau"

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In terms of deliveries this year is shaping up to be "there are decades where nothing happens and there are weeks where decades happen" for the Indian Navy

and then we see a decade where we wont see a destroyer getting inducted

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1940005979090833671

INS Tamal commissioned and handed over.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1940078887574364636

The article there is by Sandeep Unninathan.


I don't think Navy will waste their precious budget on more Kilo submarines which don't even have AIP.
Very weak offers by the Ruskal

Kalibr missiles already contract signed and one more SSN on lease is a given.

 

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1940013079590576578

"Udaygiri is the 100th ship designed and delivered( ??? ) by the Warship Design Bureau"

View attachment 41819

In terms of deliveries this year is shaping up to be "there are decades where nothing happens and there are weeks where decades happen" for the Indian Navy

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2141259

PIB press release says the rest of Nilgiris will be delivered by end of 2026

Looks like the DART STRALES 76mm guns are yet to be delivered by BHEL in large numbers to the Indian Navy.

Second warship after INS Surat to be delivered to the Indian Navy in this configuration.

 

[Dharani]

i hope they modernise the equipments and employees at hindustan shipyard vizag first, mfs spent a decade on subpar refit of ancient soviet subs, idk how are they making arihant class ssbn. all we can do is pray to topji

L&T does the building in Shipbuilding Center Vizag.

 

[liberalredditor]

L&T does the building in Shipbuilding Center Vizag.

i thought l&t does the shipbuilding work in hazira and kattupalli and send it to vizag for assembly and fitting with subsystems

 

[Dharani]

Some work is also done in Vizag. I would assume that play a part in final integration too.

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1940013079590576578

"Udaygiri is the 100th ship designed and delivered( ??? ) by the Warship Design Bureau"

View attachment 41819

In terms of deliveries this year is shaping up to be "there are decades where nothing happens and there are weeks where decades happen" for the Indian Navy

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2141259

PIB press release says the rest of Nilgiris will be delivered by end of 2026

This is the delivery rate that PLAN has enjoyed since at least 2015, IN needs to maintain this tempo for many years to stave off PLAN in IOR.

 

[silentassassin265]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1940078887574364636

The article there is by Sandeep Unninathan.


I don't think Navy will waste their precious budget on more Kilo submarines which don't even have AIP.
Very weak offers by the Ruskal

Kalibr missiles already contract signed and one more SSN on lease is a given.

Why can't we retrofit aip on kilo?
Navy is hell bent on cutting open kalvari class to fit aip.

If aip installment is possible on kilo class then they will be extremely lethal with long range missiles.

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1940236786116305352

This is the delivery rate that PLAN has enjoyed since at least 2015, IN needs to maintain this tempo for many years to stave off PLAN in IOR.

PLAN operates/orders very large number of ships of a particular class to bring down time and costs of producing them. Also, I might be wrong, they don't equip their ships with much offensive capabilities at least in the anti-ship domain, similar to what I've noticed with US Navy as well. Both operate subsonic 200km AShM. Primary anti-ship role is supposed to be fulfilled by fighter jets onboard the Aircraft Carriers. While we arm our surface fleet with much expensive BrahMos missiles for anti-ship role. While our own fighter jet fleet has limited anti-ship capability, might change with NASM-MR integration with MiG-29K. So this saves costs for them when it comes to arming their surface combatants. Also, when it comes to ship building, nobody is close to China, they will enjoy lower costs and higher rates of production. Which is why IN should be ordering large number of same class of ships to shrink timelines and costs. Also, we should stop putting BrahMos into every ship, and go for our own NASM-MR in them and make for example a dozen Frigates of 5000 tonne displacement armed with NASM-MR and VL-SRSAM.

 

[jaijaganath]

This is the delivery rate that PLAN has enjoyed since at least 2015, IN needs to maintain this tempo for many years to stave off PLAN in IOR.

We dont have any orders after p-17A
These sudden inductions are just co-incidences and we will come back to back old days where no ships will be delivered for decades
We aren't china neither we have their building capacity nor orders
Many things are just going within IN and WDB(whatever their new name is), at the current state of IA and IAF I dont see govt focussing on IN any sooner
Thats why many projects like 3 scorpene subs has not cleared no movement on p-75i and we aren't commissioning any destroyers till 2030

 

[liberalredditor]

We dont have any orders after p-17A
These sudden inductions are just co-incidences and we will come back to back old days where no ships will be delivered for decades
We aren't china neither we have their building capacity nor orders
Many things are just going within IN and WDB(whatever their new name is), at the current state of IA and IAF I dont see govt focussing on IN any sooner
Thats why many projects like 3 scorpene subs has not cleared no movement on p-75i and we aren't commissioning any destroyers till 2030

A sensible govt would reorder the destroyers like 2-3 more units of vizag class, 2-3 more nilgiri class till we get p18 and p17b under construction, these ships are good, better get the quantity and show iaf how its done

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1940236786116305352



PLAN operates/orders very large number of ships of a particular class to bring down time and costs of producing them. Also, I might be wrong, they don't equip their ships with much offensive capabilities at least in the anti-ship domain, similar to what I've noticed with US Navy as well. Both operate subsonic 200km AShM. Primary anti-ship role is supposed to be fulfilled by fighter jets onboard the Aircraft Carriers. While we arm our surface fleet with much expensive BrahMos missiles for anti-ship role. While our own fighter jet fleet has limited anti-ship capability, might change with NASM-MR integration with MiG-29K. So this saves costs for them when it comes to arming their surface combatants. Also, when it comes to ship building, nobody is close to China, they will enjoy lower costs and higher rates of production. Which is why IN should be ordering large number of same class of ships to shrink timelines and costs. Also, we should stop putting BrahMos into every ship, and go for our own NASM-MR in them and make for example a dozen Frigates of 5000 tonne displacement armed with NASM-MR and VL-SRSAM.

In terms of Anti-ship, their new ULVS supports YJ-18, YJ-21. These ULVS are now installed in Type 055, Type 052d, Type054b.

Re Anti-air, their primary weapon is HHQ-9B (naval analogue of HQ9B), it has higher range than MRSAM. As for endgame capability I might give the edge to MRSAM.

 

[snakeeyes07]

We dont have any orders after p-17A
These sudden inductions are just co-incidences and we will come back to back old days where no ships will be delivered for decades
We aren't china neither we have their building capacity nor orders
Many things are just going within IN and WDB(whatever their new name is), at the current state of IA and IAF I dont see govt focussing on IN any sooner
Thats why many projects like 3 scorpene subs has not cleared no movement on p-75i and we aren't commissioning any destroyers till 2030

7 P17B has been cleared by DAC.

With P17A, Indian shipyard timeline from launch to commissioning has come down 3-3.5 years which is good enough if maintained. For comparison, Chinese which are world leader along with South Korea has this timeline of 2 years.

I'll argue we need 10+ P17B or another 7 P17C later.

 

[jaijaganath]

7 P17B has been cleared by DAC.

CCS is what needed
Even 3 scorpene has been cleared by DAC
It doesn't mean anything
Price negotiation, studies and many things need to be done
After that CCS meeting
I dont know if u remember Chinmoy sir he clearly said CCS meeting are not rare rather frequent stuff but they take their own time prioritising and discussing even basic things and more importantly they dont want to spend a lot of money in it
Many times they also send back proposals for renegotiations

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/DefenceDecode/status/1940308049652056184

 

[shade2]

This is the delivery rate that PLAN has enjoyed since at least 2015, IN needs to maintain this tempo for many years to stave off PLAN in IOR.

Chongs get destroyers and frigates in 2-3 years saar, from keel laying to commissioning.

IN's current best is
4 years from keel to commission for small ships like INS Arnala
5-6 years for large ships like Nilgiri class.

Much better than the earlier 7-10 years but Chong like scale is not possible unless either IN gets a budgetary bonanza and can order like idk 16 large ships, and 30 small ships or the country has a strong commercial shipbuilding industry, which is the secret of the Chong.

We dont have any orders after p-17A
These sudden inductions are just co-incidences and we will come back to back old days where no ships will be delivered for decades
We aren't china neither we have their building capacity nor orders
Many things are just going within IN and WDB(whatever their new name is), at the current state of IA and IAF I dont see govt focussing on IN any sooner
Thats why many projects like 3 scorpene subs has not cleared no movement on p-75i and we aren't commissioning any destroyers till 2030

A sensible govt would reorder the destroyers like 2-3 more units of vizag class, 2-3 more nilgiri class till we get p18 and p17b under construction, these ships are good, better get the quantity and show iaf how its done

GRSE has 5x NGC and 3x are going to the L2 shipyard.
I'd expect P17B to also get CCS sanction and bids to start, NGC also was only at AoN publically but behind the scenes there were bids and GRSE won.

Scorpene repeat orders also may go through since MDL has no orders now, Nilgiris are their last big order.

They need to improve the procedures so that atleast once fitting our and trials of existing ships are done they do keel laying of new orders to maintain production tempo

 

[liberalredditor]

Chongs get destroyers and frigates in 2-3 years saar, from keel laying to commissioning.

IN's current best is
4 years from keel to commission for small ships like INS Arnala
5-6 years for large ships like Nilgiri class.

Much better than the earlier 7-10 years but Chong like scale is not possible unless either IN gets a budgetary bonanza and can order like idk 16 large ships, and 30 small ships or the country has a strong commercial shipbuilding industry, which is the secret of the Chong.





GRSE has 5x NGC and 3x are going to the L2 shipyard.
I'd expect P17B to also get CCS sanction and bids to start, NGC also was only at AoN publically but behind the scenes there were bids and GRSE won.

Scorpene repeat orders also may go through since MDL has no orders now, Nilgiris are their last big order.

They need to improve the procedures so that atleast once fitting our and trials of existing ships are done they do keel laying of new orders to maintain production tempo

well navy requires quantity for eastern command and a&n command, we have the vizag tech in our hands, we should order more of it so that the talent and manpower of the line isnt lost due to idling of production line at mdl, it would be better to repeat 3 more destroyers and give mission mode importance to indigenous ssk and p18 ships work
p17b ie ngf should be ordered in bulk like 9-12 frigates minimum and should be a stepping stone for china like construction speed so that in future our p18, iac2, subs comes in lesser timeframe compared to last decade

as for shipbuilding prowess, pvt sector involvement is needed to make some assemblies and parts, which will get assembled in shipyards
one thing which is not present in our shipyards is that chowmeins have people working in 3 shifts ie 24 hours work is happening, whereas our workers are busy in showing off how they are sarkari naukar and work for only 4 hours and get free chai samosa and a handsome pay.