Indian Navy Developments & Discussions (8 Viewers)

[shade2]

Good ship concept from South Korea, similar ship/cruiser class could be a good fit for Indian Navy. It can carry heavier tactical missiles like SMART, LR-ASHM, ET-LDHCM. Could also be a good candidate for BMD role as well by carrying AD-1 and AD-2.

The weapon profile of this is quite different from projected P18 class based on what is available in open source.

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Too much VLS based missiles.

Current trend are those shipping container missiles.

Basically you have an empty space in the middle of the ship and place these missile-containers on it, then you connect the missile to ship's systems and launch it like you would do with any VLS missile.

It's mostly used for ASHBMs though.

Main advantage is you can quickly reload since it's just a shipping container sized dabba on a flat surface

 

[shade2]

navy is better than import army and import airforce but you should know they arent saint, their indigenous projects are also decades late, if navy babooz are their in shipyards, why dont they get latest mannufacturing and production techniques so that we can churn out destroyers and frigates every 2-2.5 years

They do, 2-2.5 years is chong level and there is a long time to reach that level

Anyway for Nilgiri class frigate order they had put it in the contract that the winning shipyards have to obtain "modular ship building technology"

i.e you build 4 pieces of the ship separately, then assemble and launch it.
old model is you build the whole thing in one "berth" in the shipyard so that space is taken till the hull is fully built

MDL/GRSE for this purpose had to get Leonardo/Fincantieri of Italy as a consultant to learn this + they had to order some new and bigger cranes.

Now the above methodology is standard in commercial shipbuilding, but our baboo yards depend on only Admiral and Coast Guard's big orders, so naturally it is the aforementioned only who get them to upgrade their equipment and process.

As for timeline we have seen improvement, hull launches now take place in a year for small ships like ASW-SWC or 2 years for large ships like Frigates, rest of the time goes for outfitting, trials and testing.

Outfitting may be delayed because of partially impoorted Radar and Missiles and VLS.

Order quantities have also increased, 7 for frigates, 16 for small ships.

Navy walas are not saints and doodh ka dhula but they are much better in building their stuff and getting shit done to that effect as compared to their peer forces.

They are even #1 at getting any Imports past the gauntlet of MoD babooze and CCS

 

[liberalredditor]

i hope they modernise the equipments and employees at hindustan shipyard vizag first, mfs spent a decade on subpar refit of ancient soviet subs, idk how are they making arihant class ssbn. all we can do is pray to topji

 

[shade2]

i hope they modernise the equipments and employees at hindustan shipyard vizag first, mfs spent a decade on supar refit of ancient soviet subs, idk how are they making arihant class ssbn. all we can do is pray to topji

They are doing that.

They were also not building Arihant, a Navy controlled "Ship Building Centre" does the Arihant building.

There is a larger extension of this facility for P77 & S5 subs also being built

By comparison HSL is tiny

Also they are only doing this because they need a conventional sub building DPSU shiypard on the east coast

 

[FalconSlayers]

what a footage

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1939906110602760523

 

[shade2]

what a footage

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1939906110602760523

For the old arm launcher equipped ship classes like Delhi, Shivalik, original 6 Talwars, is it worth it to replace it with these VLS Shtil-1s from Ruskal or use VL-SRSAM instead?

 

[snakeeyes07]

For the old arm launcher equipped ship classes like Delhi, Shivalik, original 6 Talwars, is it worth it to replace it with these VLS Shtil-1s from Ruskal or use VL-SRSAM instead?

32x VL-SRSAM would be better.

 

[shade2]

32x VL-SRSAM would be better.

We have any radar in development to replace the "top plate" radar of russia?
Not talking about the one being tested on INS Anvesh, that's too large

 

[snakeeyes07]

We have any radar in development to replace the "top plate" radar of russia?
Not talking about the one being tested on INS Anvesh, that's too large

Potentially a naval variant of this one.

 

[randombully]

For the old arm launcher equipped ship classes like Delhi, Shivalik, original 6 Talwars, is it worth it to replace it with these VLS Shtil-1s from Ruskal or use VL-SRSAM instead?

The new system of tushil class frigates is the naval varient of buk m3, it's now equivalent to barak 8 not vlsrsam

9K317M "Buk-M3" medium-range anti-aircraft missile system | Missilery.info

9K317M "Buk-M3" (9K37M3) is a medium-range air defense system of ground forces designed to fight maneuvering aerodynamic targets, tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, aircraft missiles and

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The missile is great, but the radar could have been better, but still a decent radar, plus it can get targeting data from other ships too.



Tho, for replacement for old arm launched shtil, better to go with indegenious radars and combination of MRSAM and VLSRSAM.

We went for russian systems in Tushil mainly due to cost reason.

 

[shade2]

The new system of tushil class frigates is the naval varient of buk m3, it's now equivalent to barak 8 not vlsrsam

9K317M "Buk-M3" medium-range anti-aircraft missile system | Missilery.info

9K317M "Buk-M3" (9K37M3) is a medium-range air defense system of ground forces designed to fight maneuvering aerodynamic targets, tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, aircraft missiles and

en.missilery.info

The missile is great, but the radar could have been better, but still a decent radar, plus it can get targeting data from other ships too.



Tho, for replacement for old arm launched shtil, better to go with indegenious radars and combination of MRSAM and VLSRSAM.

We went for russian systems in Tushil mainly due to cost reason.

Yes even i thought the same, systems meant for say P18 can be tested on the ~12 top-plate radar and arm-launcher equipped ships by getting rid of those first.

Especially for VLSRSAM we don't even need to be dependent on ruskal for missile supplies

 

[liberalredditor]

future warships would get vlsrsam or qrsam?? and wont the qrsam be perfect for anti hypersonic roles?? and will the cells be modified to carry and launch lrashm

 

[shade2]

future warships would get vlsrsam or qrsam?? and wont the qrsam be perfect for anti hypersonic roles?? and will the cells be modified to carry and launch lrashm

Logical speculation/assumption of most people is that the loadout will be VLSRSAM, Kusha m1, m2, m3 in that order.

As for now Lrashm is a land launch only for now but kya pata what happens in the future.

QRSAM afaik is for Army requirements onlee, like how Akash-NG is for Airforce onlee and VLSRSAM is Navy onlee

 

[liberalredditor]

Logical speculation/assumption of most people is that the loadout will be VLSRSAM, Kusha m1, m2, m3 in that order.

As for now Lrashm is a land launch only for now but kya pata what happens in the future.

QRSAM afaik is for Army requirements onlee, like how Akash-NG is for Airforce onlee and VLSRSAM is Navy onlee

vlsrsam wont be inducted on land by army or airforce?? thats pure idiotic decision, we could have replaced the old akash 1s on chini side with cheaper vlsrsam option

i think maybe p18 would have some large diameter cells to carry brahmos 2 or lrashm, but thats just speculation

 

[shade2]

vlsrsam wont be inducted on land by army or airforce?? thats pure idiotic decision, we could have replaced the old akash 1s on chini side with cheaper vlsrsam option

i think maybe p18 would have some large diameter cells to carry brahmos 2 or lrashm, but thats just speculation

Nope I told you everyone has their own special snowflake missile.

 

[shade2]

MDL Delivers INS Udaygiri to Indian Navy


View: https://x.com/MazagonDockLtd/status/1939997226144522747




BHEL babooze meanwhile have not delivered the Oto Melara Strales gun it seems
Or it could be the Italian vendor hasn't delivered the Strales kit

 

[liberalredditor]

Nope I told you everyone has their own special snowflake missile.

these genrols want to keep all the ancient missiles in the force, we still operate pechora on eastern front? why? mf retire that ancient antique atleast from eastern side or send it to porki border where it can be used, but use modern solutions for eastern front, replace all old 30-50 km ad systems will vlsrsam and qrsam, support indigenous systems mf genrols

 

[shade2]

these genrols want to keep all the ancient missiles in the force, we still operate pechora on eastern front? why? mf retire that ancient antique atleast from eastern side or send it to porki border where it can be used, but use modern solutions for eastern front, replace all old 30-50 km ad systems will vlsrsam and qrsam, support indigenous systems mf genrols

Genrols have placed orders for Akash afaik but chai biscoot babooze take forever to deliver

Besides all antique weapons now have a chance to retire with a blast, shooting down over 9000 types of chapri ass drones

 

[liberalredditor]

Genrols have placed orders for Akash afaik but chai biscoot babooze take forever to deliver

Besides all antique weapons now have a chance to retire with a blast, shooting down over 9000 types of chapri ass drones

kusha + s400 + bmd
akash ng + lrsam/mrsam
vlsrsam + qrsam
l70 + schilka + vshorads + indigenous manpads
advanced radars from mmwave to 5000 km range radars like voronezh

completely layered ad for every range with an alternative too, but it would be too expensive to buy and maintain this for our border, even if we try to fortify our eastern borders, it would be very expensive

 

[randombully]

future warships would get vlsrsam or qrsam?? and wont the qrsam be perfect for anti hypersonic roles?? and will the cells be modified to carry and launch lrashm

Qr sam:-
altitude ~6km( ~20k feet) optimised for lower altitude. But can be programmed to fly higher upto 10-15km altitude if required
Range:- ~30km.
Max speed of missile mach 4.5+.
Weight~270kg.
Warhead~32kg.
( army relies on akash missiles with 60kg warhead, 25-30km range, and altitude ~20km for higher altitude short range role)
Vl sr sam
Altitude~15km(~50k feet).
Range ~50km.
Max speed of missile mach 4.5+.
Weight~170kg.
Warhead~15kg.

Qr sam is more tailored for army needs, designed to be more Rugged for movements in rough terrain, now we could also have made a varient of vlsrsam that is more Rugged than naval varient, could have gotten more range too than current qrsam.
But army required a bigger warhead( 32kg of qrsam vs 15kg of vlsrsam), but to accelerate a missile with bigger warhead as fast as vlsrsam and to have similar top speed and similar range( still shorter range than vlsrsam) required a bigger missile with more fuel and more powerful rocket motor.