Indian Education System And Academia (1 Viewer)

[eastern_bhartiya]

Thread to Discuss Aspects of Indian Education System and Academic Culture, Both Current and Historical

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

https://asercentre.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/India.pdf

ASER Report 2024 For Rural Students till Class 8th.

https://asercentre.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/School-4-Pager.pdf

Status Of Government Schools

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

New NCERT books ditch the poverty lens, but are we ditching empathy too?

The new NCERT social science textbooks for Classes 6 and 7 aim to replace older narratives of poverty and colonial baggage with modern, growth-focused examples for its economics segments. But in doing so, are they skipping over people’s lived economic realities?

www.indiatoday.in

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

New NCERT books ditch the poverty lens, but are we ditching empathy too?

The new NCERT social science textbooks for Classes 6 and 7 aim to replace older narratives of poverty and colonial baggage with modern, growth-focused examples for its economics segments. But in doing so, are they skipping over people’s lived economic realities?

www.indiatoday.in

Pretty comprehensive article, even though author is trying to push some agenda, its time that we move away from scarcity focused mindeset and talk things that are relevant to 21th century.

 

[liberalredditor]

11 years of leaderji but he failed to change the ncert syllabus and writing way where they glorified chughals and buslim invadors. Failure of bhajipao.

Failed to promote sanskrit.

Failed to control the brainwashing of thousands/lakhs of missionary schools

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

11 years of leaderji but he failed to change the ncert syllabus and writing way where they glorified chughals and buslim invadors. Failure of bhajipao.

Failed to promote sanskrit.

Failed to control the brainwashing of thousands/lakhs of missionary schools

I don't think its possible to really reform Indian Education Infra without massive spending like 6%+ of GDP, many schools particularly in rural and semi-rural have really shitty infra that makes kids hate them, like lack of sitting space, lab equipment etc.

Second we really need a sensible structure to handle primary education, IMO school + tuition hours easily go above 9-10 hours for most kids, we really can't expect more medals in Olympics , when there is literally not even 30mins for physical activities.

Next thing teachers absolutely suck, these guys are employed for sake of job creation instead of actual ability to teach, you go to random school in rural part and kids are mugging up science like history. how many kids in these schools are even being prepared for a modern world ? nothing , thats why every guy there was to become a UPSC babu. we can't fail such a large section of youth and get ahead of china or other competition. IMO we need more vocational and hand on training type subjects options for rural kids.

If we started a discussion on syllabus, that alone could be a separate 500 page discussion

 

[liberalredditor]

we really can't expect more medals in Olympics

let the academically weak undertake sports; average, above avg and bright students should do academics as a priority, we are very behind in international olympiads, only last year we had a gold medal and that too due to one guy, ved lahoti last year did wonders. this year and last year devesh bhaiya did some medals. rest the 15 lakh students are completely brainless, everyone is becoming an engineer now a days.

 

[redpanda]

I don't think its possible to really reform Indian Education Infra without massive spending like 6%+ of GDP, many schools particularly in rural and semi-rural have really shitty infra that makes kids hate them, like lack of sitting space, lab equipment etc.

Second we really need a sensible structure to handle primary education, IMO school + tuition hours easily go above 9-10 hours for most kids, we really can't expect more medals in Olympics , when there is literally not even 30mins for physical activities.

Next thing teachers absolutely suck, these guys are employed for sake of job creation instead of actual ability to teach, you go to random school in rural part and kids are mugging up science like history. how many kids in these schools are even being prepared for a modern world ? nothing , thats why every guy there was to become a UPSC babu. we can't fail such a large section of youth and get ahead of china or other competition. IMO we need more vocational and hand on training type subjects options for rural kids.

If we started a discussion on syllabus, that alone could be a separate 500 page discussion

Education being in concurrent list also makes this process a lot challenging. Look at implementation of NEP and all that shitshow at state-level over nothing burgers. Essentially this set-up basically is a road block to reforms thanks to local politics.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

let the academically weak undertake sports; average, above avg and bright students should do academics as a priority, we are very behind in international olympiads, only last year we had a gold medal and that too due to one guy, ved lahoti last year did wonders. this year and last year devesh bhaiya did some medals. rest the 15 lakh students are completely brainless, everyone is becoming an engineer now a days.

international Olympiads question are something , that I don't think even JEE toppers can solve, what people don't understand is Indian exam system are extremely process based rather than fundamental based or understanding based , a lot of questions in math Olympiads are based on pure mathematics concept like number theory, group theory, set and logic. our maths is very application based , we don't really teach kids the inner working on maths, say you study about divisibility rules of numbers in like 6th, but you don't learn why those divisibility rules work, to understand you will have to understand numerical base system first.

 

[redpanda]

international Olympiads question are something , that I don't think even JEE toppers can solve, what people don't understand is Indian exam system are extremely process based rather than fundamental based or understanding based , a lot of questions in math Olympiads are based on pure mathematics concept like number theory, group theory, set and logic. our maths is very application based , we don't really teach kids the inner working on maths, say you study about divisibility rules of numbers in like 6th, but you don't learn why those divisibility rules work, to understand you will have to understand numerical base system first.

True. In India those kinds of things are only taught if you do BSc or MSc in Mathematics. They hardly focus on how & why these theorems work. They just ask you to apply those formulas and theorems.

 

[liberalredditor]

international Olympiads question are something , that I don't think even JEE toppers can solve

brother calm down, i am fresh out of this 1 year back.

jee topper study from class 8-9, they are the ones who excel at olympiads, for olympiads you have to first clear your jee advanced concepts and problem solving skills, then only you can go for olympiad questions

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

let the academically weak undertake sports; average, above avg and bright students should do academics as a priority, we are very behind in international olympiads, only last year we had a gold medal and that too due to one guy, ved lahoti last year did wonders. this year and last year devesh bhaiya did some medals. rest the 15 lakh students are completely brainless, everyone is becoming an engineer now a days.

10+2 system is pretty useless system as far as academics go, science and maths in 10th vs 12th are two different worlds entirely, they should group 9,10,11,12 as whole as lower and upper high school. 10th exam is always feels very abrupt and out of place, let more career and specialization oriented stuff drip fed from 9th or even before itself. nep2020 does group 9th to 12th as single group in their 5+3+3+4, but they will need to get all states to agree on NEP first, cause right now fuss is about language.

 

[liberalredditor]

10+2 system is pretty useless system as far as academics go, science and maths in 10th vs 12th are two different worlds entirely, they should tale 9,10,11,12 as whole as lower and upper high school. 10th exam is always feels very abrupt and out of place, let more career and specialization oriented stuff drip fed from 9th or even before itself. nep2020 does group 9th to 12th as single group in their 5+3+3+4, but they will need to get all states to agree on NEP first, cause right now fuss is about language.

the gap from class 8 to 9 and class 10 to 11 is big, it lasts for 3-4 months but has a huge impact in scaring them from curriculum, but once you get used to it, 10th and 12th look easy. some topics should be put in lower classes to give them an idea of critical thinking, my weakest was maths. class 10 maths was simple, just watch class and give exam and boom 90-95+. but jee maths and its questions, ooofff ooofffff, you need to solve 1000s of questions then you will be able to solve mains maths and get an idea of advanced maths. the level of thinking for jee maths is the thing which attracted the most. calculus and algebra were the best and trigno and coordinate geometry are the worst.
i feel like topics like quadratic, sequence series, trigno, inv trigno and straight lines can be shifted to class 10, and respectively for all subjects.

 

[liberalredditor]

our school had one good thing, they gave baal ram katha of ncert and baal mahabharat katha in class 6 and 7 respectively and they were compulsory for hindi exams. none of the muslims did a chu even if mosque was just outside.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

the gap from class 8 to 9 and class 10 to 11 is big, it lasts for 3-4 months but has a huge impact in scaring them from curriculum, but once you get used to it, 10th and 12th look easy. some topics should be put in lower classes to give them an idea of critical thinking, my weakest was maths. class 10 maths was simple, just watch class and give exam and boom 90-95+. but jee maths and its questions, ooofff ooofffff, you need to solve 1000s of questions then you will be able to solve mains maths and get an idea of advanced maths. the level of thinking for jee maths is the thing which attracted the most. calculus and algebra were the best and trigno and coordinate geometry are the worst.
i feel like topics like quadratic, sequence series, trigno, inv trigno and straight lines can be shifted to class 10, and respectively for all subjects.

CBSE has ruined perception of marks with normalization and stuff, everyone wants to score 90%, but normalization basically pulls alot of kids who would usually get 70-75% into 80% range, this results in a pretty big number of students getting marks between 80-90 which makes it more easy than it it.

again 10th exam is just weird, it is system derived from brits, since they wanted coolies from colonized population to manage each other.