Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (12 Viewers)

[FalconSlayers]

This clown few days back was saying no 5th gen jets to be even considered for import, now saying something totally opposite. Import dalali khoon me hai inke.

View: https://x.com/CNBCTV18Live/status/1942100875280863261


Apart from that our defence spending has reduced to 1.85% of GDP due to the subhuman opposition that promises freebies and forces the centre to do so as well for elections. Although not happening, if it happens, our defence budget in 2030 will touch $170 billion. Again, not happening.

IAF needs a lot of CAPEX to get back to normal, let alone assist the sister services, especially Naval Aviation with AEW&CS and Refuellers.

 

[FalconSlayers]

> DAC clears modification for 84 Super Sukhoi Upgrade. CCS process to begin. 5 years for R&D and the upgrade afterwards.
> LCH Prachand gunship FY28 rollout.
> 3 Lakh crore order book to be executed by 2033
> Expect 97 Tejas MK1A order this year.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KfgqFvlih4

 

[redpanda]

This clown few days back was saying no 5th gen jets to be even considered for import, now saying something totally opposite. Import dalali khoon me hai inke.

View: https://x.com/CNBCTV18Live/status/1942100875280863261


Apart from that our defence spending has reduced to 1.85% of GDP due to the subhuman opposition that promises freebies and forces the centre to do so as well for elections. Although not happening, if it happens, our defence budget in 2030 will touch $170 billion. Again, not happening.

IAF needs a lot of CAPEX to get back to normal, let alone assist the sister services, especially Naval Aviation with AEW&CS and Refuellers.

Maybe something happened within this brief period of time for them to change their stance. Maybe Russia or US offered some deal behind the scene. Most likely Russia.

 

[BON PLAN]

It’s not same country which it was 20 years ago. France is run by Islamist and African immigrants. They have no respect for india France diplomacy.

Do you at least spent a single day in France ?

 

[snakeeyes07]

Did some BVR experimentation [4v4 & 8v8] in CMO (commercial). In terms of military simulation this is the best thing available out there. They have a professional version too but that comes under US export law and is restricted to US defense companies, military, think tank and government use or to friendly governments & militaries. It also cost more than $10,000 per 1 license. That version has more accurate and confidential weapon properties where as commercial one relies on realistic open source data.

I gave advantage to PAF side by setting their level at veteran where as kept IAF at regular.

1st scenario
4x Rafale [Meteor] + 1x Phalcon AEW&C + 1x Cheese Board [S400 radar] vs 4x J10CE [PL15E] + Saab2000 AEW&C + 1x JY27A

Meteor had the first shooter advantage by around 20-30 km. Situation was that shortly after J10CE fired their first volley Rafale fired their second volley. So, the J10CE group was defending against 2 volleys and got pushed back from an area in the middle of Faisalabad and Lahore to area in middle of Chinot and Sargodha. Where as Rafales were pushed back to area between Amritsar and Beas.

After exchange of all BVR missiles on both sides, there were no kills but PAF got pushed back quite a bit into their airspace.

Result - No kills

2nd scenario
4x Rafale [Meteor] + 1x Phalcon AEW&C + 1x Cheese Board [S400 radar] vs 4x J10C (Chinese one) [PL15] + KJ500 AEW&C + 1x JY27A

J10C [PL15] had first shooter advantage by around 15-20km. Both sides fired one volley each before starting defending. I noticed that JY27A was detecting Meteor missile launches very early. Where as S400 radar failed to do so and it was the RBE2 radar that detected the first volley around 55km away. Rafales when defending were pushed back a bit more [20km] compared to J10C. In the first volley exchange, 2x J10C were shot down.

Second volleys of 4x PL-15 and 8x Meteor were fired. No J10C were shot down in the second volley. 4x PL-15 weren't detected and Rafales only started defending when they went pitbull, 1x Rafale was shot down.

Result - 2x J10C & 1x Rafale

3rd scenario
4x Rafale [Meteor] + 4x SU30SM2 [R-37M] + 1x Phalcon AEW&C + 1x Cheese Board [S400 radar] + 1x Master T radar + 1x ELM2084 MPR vs 8x J10C (Chinese one) [PL15] + KJ500 AEW&C + 1x JY27A + 1x AN/TPS-77

As soon as the scenario started, SU30SM2 opened up it's IRBIS-E radar and fired volley of 8x R37M [6 on group in front of them and 2 on the other facing Rafale]. The horizontal range of BARS and IRBIS-E is pretty much same but IRBIS has considerable more sidelobe coverage [3-4x more]. R-37M has at least 1.5x range of PL-15. The J10C group facing SU30SM2 didn't fire their first volley and went defensive. The other J10C group facing Rafales fired their first volley before going defensive. Rafales also fired their first volley before going defensive. The addition of ELM2084 at Halwara and Master T at Bathinda meant early detection of missile launch. No kills happened in the first volley exchange. J10C groups were pushed back quite a bit more compared to IAF groups.

For the second volley, both J10C groups fired 8x PL-15 each. Rafales fired 8x Meteors, 7 on group facing it and 1 at the other one. SU30SM2 group only carried 8x R37M [2 each] and were out, they couldn't launch R-77-1 before going defensive. 1x J10C was shot down in the group facing Rafale.

Then the group facing SU30SM2 fired their remaining 8x PL15 on it but it scored no kills.

Result - 1x J10C

 

[darkflame]

This clown few days back was saying no 5th gen jets to be even considered for import, now saying something totally opposite. Import dalali khoon me hai inke.

Looks like he meant amca here

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/CNBCTV18News/status/1942086781173928370

 

[Corvus Splendens]

> DAC clears modification for 84 Super Sukhoi Upgrade. CCS process to begin. 5 years for R&D and the upgrade afterwards.

 

[Drwho]

Do you at least spent a single day in France ?

Yes brother I did and I do. Ironically French are nice people, I never have or had any Issue. only issues I have had were with immigrants. Most of whom are illegal.
They have screwed many major cities Paris and Lyon to name same. And being politically correct is the biggest dilemma my French colleagues are facing.

They have started to shift the political and social fabric. The entering politics media and major social spaces. They also bring their own agenda along.

So yes let’s agree to disagree but I think this becoming a big issue in France.

 

[Drwho]

Doctor saab, did you buy your degree? Even a school goind kid will tell you that he wont give his written calculator code to anyone else then why will a defence contractor give away the source code of their top jewel?? Pls be mature. Even russia didnt give access to full source code of su30 mki, we have it till an extent where we can integrate our weaponry, above that, go to roos and pay them.
You beg for source code and all you will get is a kick right on your begging bowl.

As for Trump, yes he is acting like a mad elephant. But india is acting mature. We know this tarriff threat will not work, asians/xhinese and indians there will pressurise republicans to take this back, even us federal reserve chief said that tarriff war is stupid and will increase inflation to higher extent which will turn disastrous for burger economy. So they wont cut rates now. Most probably their cut in rates would by september october when they would pressurise trump to give up tarriff tarriff.

And if you telling us to go for su57e, then pls rest for a while. We are witnessing record amount of dalali since op sindoor. We know su57m is good. But as this is the last import, we should not make a khichdi again, keep limited jets but in good quantity and not 20 jets with 1 sq each.

No I didn’t . Let’s be civilised .

Yes I agree this should be our last major aircraft purchase. And we have to secure that no dalali commission cut happens.

Also I totally agree with USA point of view . U said the similar thing as well. Also We can just wait for these 3 years. He is not coming back.

But Rafale without our ongoing missile projects installation is good but not a great platform.

We have some amazing stuff cooking in final stages of development. You know all missiles and aviation installation. It will just take a few years. Future development will blocked if we have limit of source code. We paid a big amount and also made this jet sellable to market. I am sure it can be worked out but till then we must limit our purchase.

 

[shade2]

This clown few days back was saying no 5th gen jets to be even considered for import, now saying something totally opposite. Import dalali khoon me hai inke.

View: https://x.com/CNBCTV18Live/status/1942100875280863261


Apart from that our defence spending has reduced to 1.85% of GDP due to the subhuman opposition that promises freebies and forces the centre to do so as well for elections. Although not happening, if it happens, our defence budget in 2030 will touch $170 billion. Again, not happening.

IAF needs a lot of CAPEX to get back to normal, let alone assist the sister services, especially Naval Aviation with AEW&CS and Refuellers.

View attachment 42471

Challo, package import hoga ab

>F-35( 5th gen fighter from allies )
>F-15( Because su30 upgrade is getting delayed, stop gap purchase saar )
>Patriot missile system ( because ofc can't use ebul roosi S400 with American wunderwaffe )

 

[randombully]

Looks like he meant amca here

He meant su57.
I said it before, High level **talks** taking place.

The likely direction IAF seems to want is, Rafale for mrfa & Seprate G2G deal for few squads of su57.
But russia is trying really hard to bag mrfa too.

 

[randombully]

Challo, package import hoga ab

>F-35( 5th gen fighter from allies )
>F-15( Because su30 upgrade is getting delayed, stop gap purchase saar )
>Patriot missile system ( because ofc can't use ebul roosi S400 with American wunderwaffe )

Post in thread 'Indian Air Force: News & Discussions' https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indian-air-force-news-discussions.115/post-176882

 

[redpanda]

Challo, package import hoga ab

>F-35( 5th gen fighter from allies )
>F-15( Because su30 upgrade is getting delayed, stop gap purchase saar )
>Patriot missile system ( because ofc can't use ebul roosi S400 with American wunderwaffe )

I think Su-57 ayega. Cuz matter are heating up with USA. Let us not underestimate the resilience of Indian state. Vajpayee with a weak india and weak government at home didn't care much about US sanctions and carried out Nuclear test. And the US was only able to sanction us for like 2-3 years at best. And it had very little impact on our growth. So the government don't mind hurting american sentiment as long as they are sure they can get away with it. Lmao if we were scared we would have accepted a trade deal with Trump by now, instead of tarrif showdown...Su-57 whether that is a good or bad option is upto debate but I don't think we fear CAATSA at all. India is much more strong and resilient than Vajpayee's time.

 

[randombully]

View attachment 42471

Currently development and testing will commence.
Upgrade will begin in 2030.
All 12+84 super sukhois will be ready by 2035-2037.

 

[shade2]

He meant su57.
I said it before, High level **talks** taking place.

The likely direction IAF seems to want is, Rafale for mrfa & Seprate G2G deal for few squads of su57.
But russia is trying really hard to bag mrfa too.

I think Su-57 ayega. Cuz matter are heating up with USA. Let us not underestimate the resilience of Indian state. Vajpayee with a weak india and weak government at home didn't care much about US sanctions and carried out Nuclear test. And the US was only able to sanction us for like 2-3 years at best. And it had very little impact on our growth. So the government don't mind hurting american sentiment as long as they are sure they can get away with it. Lmao if we were scared we would have accepted a trade deal with Trump by now, instead of tarrif showdown...Su-57 whether that is a good or bad option is upto debate but I don't think we fear CAATSA at all. India is much more strong and resilient than Vajpayee's time.

Seriously why do you guys think su57 aayega?

From all the appeasement you see till now you really think the Govt will take the Orange Bull by the horns?

It's impossible, the chimpout from donald will be enormous.

F-35 hi aayega.
Maybe 2.5% GDP defense spending is to pay for it's ((( package ))) only

 

[Ajatshatru]

Seriously why do you guys think su57 aayega?

From all the appeasement you see till now you really think the Govt will take the Orange Bull by the horns?

It's impossible, the chimpout from donald will be enormous.

F-35 hi aayega.
Maybe 2.5% GDP defense spending is to pay for it's ((( package ))) only

F-35 is not an expensive aircraft for the Indian Air Force, especially considering it paid around $280 million per unit for Rafale. F-35 costs approximately $100 million per unit. Even after accounting for the additional infrastructure and support systems it may require, the total cost is unlikely to exceed $200 million. In fact, Israel acquired F-35 for about $85 million per unit. Overall, F-35 is significantly cheaper than both the Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

 

[shade2]

F-35 is not an expensive aircraft for the Indian Air Force, especially considering it paid around $280 million per unit for Rafale. F-35 costs approximately $100 million per unit. Even after accounting for the additional infrastructure and support systems it may require, the total cost is unlikely to exceed $200 million. In fact, Israel acquired F-35 for about $85 million per unit. Overall, F-35 is significantly cheaper than both the Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Stealth fighter hai janab, press x to doubt on muh cheap opex

besides package includes F-15 and Pariot as i've mentioned.

 

[Ajatshatru]

This clown few days back was saying no 5th gen jets to be even considered for import, now saying something totally opposite. Import dalali khoon me hai inke.

View: https://x.com/CNBCTV18Live/status/1942100875280863261


Apart from that our defence spending has reduced to 1.85% of GDP due to the subhuman opposition that promises freebies and forces the centre to do so as well for elections. Although not happening, if it happens, our defence budget in 2030 will touch $170 billion. Again, not happening.

IAF needs a lot of CAPEX to get back to normal, let alone assist the sister services, especially Naval Aviation with AEW&CS and Refuellers.

Is it even realistic to expect a deal for F-35 to be signed and finalized within 3–6 months? India-specific enhancements, pilot training, necessary infrastructure development, and integration with India’s network-centric warfare ecosystem alone would take 2–3 years.

 

[randombully]

F-35 is not an expensive aircraft for the Indian Air Force, especially considering it paid around $280 million per unit for Rafale. F-35 costs approximately $100 million per unit. Even after accounting for the additional infrastructure and support systems it may require, the total cost is unlikely to exceed $200 million. In fact, Israel acquired F-35 for about $85 million per unit. Overall, F-35 is significantly cheaper than both the Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

While the F-35's unit cost varies, Canada is reportedly facing a significant increase in the cost of its F-35 purchase, with some estimates reaching $450 million per jet due to factors like development overruns and high operating costs, according to EurAsian Times. This is significantly higher than the initial projections and even higher than the average export price for the F-35A, which is around $82.5 million, with export prices typically reaching $100-150 million. The Canadian government is reviewing its purchase due to these rising costs, particularly given the potential for further increases.


French airforce ain't getting rafale for 280 million per peice, they are getting rafale for 100-150 million per unit, even with production rate lot lower than f35.