Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (64 Viewers)

[Savageking456]

In that hangar, was it F-16 OR an AWACS ?

Awacs

 

[snakeeyes07]

Awacs

I think both AEW&CS and F-16 (could be multiple but 1 is seen in satellite image)

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Look at the pictures again and focus on SU-25, SU-30MKI and 2x MIG-29 photos.
https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/operation-sindoor-aftermath.856/post-182721

Why are you giving me pics of unproven claims as proof- that is circular logic. Show me a single verified and settled claim of any plane crash 100% on land where engines separate from each other during crash. Simple task and if you succeed, I will retract my claim.

 

[vidhwanshak]

The mental gymnastics people are doing here to deny our losses is hilarious and sad at the same time.

I mean literally the CDS accepted that we had losses. There is strong evidence we lost at least 3 fighters, including one Rafale.

Is it the end of the fucking world? No!!

Did we do significant damage and showed our capabilities to hit Pakistan deep? Yes.

Could we have done more damage and hit actual assets like their AD batteries or military installations instead of runaways or buildings to drive the point home? Yes.

Should we learn from our mistakes and do proper SEAD next time? Yes.

Should we get serious increase our defence spending significantly, given the multiple threats facing us? Yes.

I am a strong believer in the Occams razor.

Correct bhai.
Really don't understand the mental gymnastic s here. Airforce lost those airframe due to political constraints set by Modi and MoD. Although this is tarnishing armed forces image, I think CDS, did try to clean it up by calling out these as "tactical blunders".
The only reason political leadership is not coming to accept losses is because a Rafael is involved here. The had claimed a lot. Even modi had shouted in rallies that if they had rafael , post balakot air battle would have looked very very different. But nothing has changed as Rafaels are outranged by PL-15E. We don't have meteors.
This givee opposition a very good opportunity to counter Modi's strong man/56 inch image.
Coming back to aerial battles, You will see in some time we will go with some more purchases of air to air missile to counter PL-15E. All of these are ^tactical blunders^.
IAF later penetrated the Pakistanti Radar Coverage by destroying radar sites which allowed us to dominate the remaining days of this very short and low intensity conflict.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Pampore was a JF 17.

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Mirage 2K brother

 

[snakeeyes07]

Why are you giving me pics of unproven claims as proof- that is circular logic. Show me a single verified and settled claim of any plane crash 100% on land where engines separate from each other during crash. Simple task and if you succeed, I will retract my claim.

There are sources/links on top of pictures for each one of them.
https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/operation-sindoor-aftermath.856/post-182721

- https://bangladeshdefence.blogspot.com/2014/06/crashed-mig-29-fighter-aircraft-of.html
- https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-jet-downed-over-idlib-syria/4237757.html
- https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukr...-ukraines-mig-29-fighter-jet-8-drones/2599109
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6toEWnU5pQ

You can always do a google image search (reverse) if you have doubts on authenticity of the pictures.

 

[Drwho]

There are sources/links on top of pictures for each one of them.
https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/operation-sindoor-aftermath.856/post-182721

- https://bangladeshdefence.blogspot.com/2014/06/crashed-mig-29-fighter-aircraft-of.html
- https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-jet-downed-over-idlib-syria/4237757.html
- https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukr...-ukraines-mig-29-fighter-jet-8-drones/2599109
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6toEWnU5pQ

You can always do a google image search (reverse) if you have doubts on authenticity of the pictures.

No matter what you do, people will not acknowledge the reality. For them it’s evident but not there.
They will ban you, abuse you and call u traitor.
I have been saying; we lost of few jets. But now let’s just start asking government to come out clean . Also reasons which might help next time. Also That will help us to build properly for next war which might be longer and larger.

Nation should come first before votes.

Government actually have accepted the losses by different official statements but some people just don’t to believe that either.

We must realise we have depleted Air Force. And they need funding and decision makers . Don’t ask too official what iaf should have but check your pocket and diplomatic relationship and decision should be made.

 

[Vinash]

Have members gone retarded? This is the same line of argument that happened a few months ago. Argument going in circles and circles.

One side saying we didn't lose any Aircraft and the other side claiming exaggerated Aircraft losses while ignoring us hitting 11 Air bases.

We definitely lost some Aircrafts. It's not 6 like Pakis claim. Some idiots were even claiming Aircraft parts that Jets dislodge after a mission as a full Aircraft. I'd say we lost 2 or 3 Jets at best and they weren't Rafales.

Hitting the main Airbases of Pak is a humongous achievement. We exposed their pathetic Air defences.

This entire mission is a huge W militarily however you see it. Our forces aren't up to date with spreading propaganda like Pakis are. Then again, if you can win militarily, you don't have to spread propaganda like Pakis do.

Having said that, we must not waste any more time and Gov should pour in $$$$$$ to ensure our Airforce doesn't fall behind Pak's. After the recent humiliation, Pakis will do everything in their power to upgrade their Air Force and they'll do it quickly. We must ensure we don't fall behind.

 

[Savageking456]

Have members gone retarded? This is the same line of argument that happened a few months ago. Argument going in circles and circles.

One side saying we didn't lose any Aircraft and the other side claiming exaggerated Aircraft losses while ignoring us hitting 11 Air bases.

We definitely lost some Aircrafts. It's not 6 like Pakis claim. Some idiots were even claiming Aircraft parts that Jets dislodge after a mission as a full Aircraft. I'd say we lost 2 or 3 Jets at best and they weren't Rafales.

Hitting the main Airbases of Pak is a humongous achievement. We exposed their pathetic Air defences.

This entire mission is a huge W militarily however you see it. Our forces aren't up to date with spreading propaganda like Pakis are. Then again, if you can win militarily, you don't have to spread propaganda like Pakis do.

Having said that, we must not waste any more time and Gov should pour in $$$$$$ to ensure our Airforce doesn't fall behind Pak's. After the recent humiliation, Pakis will do everything in their power to upgrade their Air Force and they'll do it quickly. We must ensure we don't fall behind.

Give 2-3 warning and then ban them if found being a habitual offender
Have seen such stuff since long time better to have quality posts than quantity.
What they're doing is not criticism but undermining indian military
Mudi bad Mea bad Iaf bad reee
Can't tolerate some losses what will happen if we go in a full scale war half of the members here will die,have some thick skin and be cold hearted if you're following military related stuff.

 

[shade2]

Have members gone retarded? This is the same line of argument that happened a few months ago. Argument going in circles and circles.

One side saying we didn't lose any Aircraft and the other side claiming exaggerated Aircraft losses while ignoring us hitting 11 Air bases.

We definitely lost some Aircrafts. It's not 6 like Pakis claim. Some idiots were even claiming Aircraft parts that Jets dislodge after a mission as a full Aircraft. I'd say we lost 2 or 3 Jets at best and they weren't Rafales.

Hitting the main Airbases of Pak is a humongous achievement. We exposed their pathetic Air defences.

This entire mission is a huge W militarily however you see it. Our forces aren't up to date with spreading propaganda like Pakis are. Then again, if you can win militarily, you don't have to spread propaganda like Pakis do.

Having said that, we must not waste any more time and Gov should pour in $$$$$$ to ensure our Airforce doesn't fall behind Pak's. After the recent humiliation, Pakis will do everything in their power to upgrade their Air Force and they'll do it quickly. We must ensure we don't fall behind.

Let's pray this is true and there are 36 of them doing the fly past on independence day with meteors loaded

Because otherwise the usual suspects will make it a political shitfest to acquire more Rafales for IAF and they badly need new planes.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Have members gone retarded? This is the same line of argument that happened a few months ago. Argument going in circles and circles.

One side saying we didn't lose any Aircraft and the other side claiming exaggerated Aircraft losses while ignoring us hitting 11 Air bases.

We definitely lost some Aircrafts. It's not 6 like Pakis claim. Some idiots were even claiming Aircraft parts that Jets dislodge after a mission as a full Aircraft. I'd say we lost 2 or 3 Jets at best and they weren't Rafales.

Hitting the main Airbases of Pak is a humongous achievement. We exposed their pathetic Air defences.

This entire mission is a huge W militarily however you see it. Our forces aren't up to date with spreading propaganda like Pakis are. Then again, if you can win militarily, you don't have to spread propaganda like Pakis do.

We lost one Rafale, one MiG-29 and one Mirage-2000. Latter two are very old now and are being used only because of no replacement yet.

With restrictions on IAF on not doing a proper SEAD/DEAD ops (probably that might've alerted jihadis to hide away, or just that bureaucrats were dumb) and offensive counter-air ops (due to lack of long range BVRs and AEW&CS), hitting the targets and coming back itself is an achievement. The aircraft lost were performing combat air patrols when they were hit by their latest J-10C and PL-15s.

PAF was unable to do anything when India started SEAD/DEAD ops between 8th and 10th May, and then we struck their viral airbases and neutralised their high value assets.

Having said that, we must not waste any more time and Gov should pour in $$$$$$ to ensure our Airforce doesn't fall behind Pak's. After the recent humiliation, Pakis will do everything in their power to upgrade their Air Force and they'll do it quickly. We must ensure we don't fall behind.

Not happening, I've explained this yesterday. Op Sindoor has left a big scar on their capabilities especially surveillance, and their aircrafts are being forced to fly more sorties than they would in peacetime to conserve airframe life.

Even without that they were in crisis. Their Army Aviation Corps is already turning into a Museum slowly. Their Air Force is next, and their Naval Air Arm follows suit.

Post in thread 'Pakistan Air Force : News Updates & Discussions .'

Sunday at 10:08 PM

They have to commit to being a rakhail of either one of their Sugar Daddies instead of being a mast raand like they are currently

Them being a randi is why neither US nor China will offer them the Good Shit, and definitely not for free like they used to receive earlier via military aid.

I think they will finally do nikah with China for his big, black J-35 and block Uncle Sam's phone number

As it is most of their modern acquisitions are from China only, tanks, aircraft, ships what have you.

Anyway, good for us only if they become a full Chinese vassal, Uncle Sam will finally behave...

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[rohitvats]

In case you chaps have not seen this already, sharing my latest analysis.
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Revealed - The Details of Underground Facility Hit by the IAF at PAF Base Murid.

As part of Operation Sindhoor, the Indian Air Force targeted the key Pakistan Air Force Base at Murid. Two targets were hit at the Pakistan Air Force Base Murid. One was a Command-and-Control Node in the centre of the airbase, while other was an unknown underground facility towards southeast corner of the airbase. Study of satellite images of the unknown facility hit by the IAF show that it a high value, access restricted, underground facility.

But what exactly is this facility?

This video gives the answer, and the answer to the following questions -

- How many PAF Bases and Forward Operating Bases have this facility?
- What is the timeframe of their construction?
- What is the structure of these underground facilities?
- What is their possible use?


View: https://youtu.be/CKHE-kCsQus?si=oQ67uxrMALtqIgmj

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/IndiaWarMonitor/status/1946990324779241506

 

[snakeeyes07]

In case you chaps have not seen this already, sharing my latest analysis.
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Revealed - The Details of Underground Facility Hit by the IAF at PAF Base Murid.

As part of Operation Sindhoor, the Indian Air Force targeted the key Pakistan Air Force Base at Murid. Two targets were hit at the Pakistan Air Force Base Murid. One was a Command-and-Control Node in the centre of the airbase, while other was an unknown underground facility towards southeast corner of the airbase. Study of satellite images of the unknown facility hit by the IAF show that it a high value, access restricted, underground facility.

But what exactly is this facility?

This video gives the answer, and the answer to the following questions -

- How many PAF Bases and Forward Operating Bases have this facility?
- What is the timeframe of their construction?
- What is the structure of these underground facilities?
- What is their possible use?


View: https://youtu.be/CKHE-kCsQus?si=oQ67uxrMALtqIgmj

Any views on this?

So pretty much most of the Pakistan's underground Command Center are only around 10-20m deep (from ground to roof). AGNI-5 based penetrator will be an overkill for such depth, based on Hyunmoo-5 spec it's penetration should be ~100m.

Maybe a smaller and cheaper AGNI-P based penetrator is also needed with around 20-25m penetration capability.

Imagine just the introduction of such weapons will leave most of their underground storage, C2 centers redundant. Waste of so much investment by them.

 

[Prasad]

Have members gone retarded? This is the same line of argument that happened a few months ago. Argument going in circles and circles.

One side saying we didn't lose any Aircraft and the other side claiming exaggerated Aircraft losses while ignoring us hitting 11 Air bases.

We definitely lost some Aircrafts. It's not 6 like Pakis claim. Some idiots were even claiming Aircraft parts that Jets dislodge after a mission as a full Aircraft. I'd say we lost 2 or 3 Jets at best and they weren't Rafales.

Hitting the main Airbases of Pak is a humongous achievement. We exposed their pathetic Air defences.

This entire mission is a huge W militarily however you see it. Our forces aren't up to date with spreading propaganda like Pakis are. Then again, if you can win militarily, you don't have to spread propaganda like Pakis do.

Having said that, we must not waste any more time and Gov should pour in $$$$$$ to ensure our Airforce doesn't fall behind Pak's. After the recent humiliation, Pakis will do everything in their power to upgrade their Air Force and they'll do it quickly. We must ensure we don't fall behind.

You won't see any other nation having gone to war being asked about lost equipment.
FFS, US lost a plane to a militia just a month back. You never see anyone having any kind of discussion on that. There was not a single debate or discussion on it.

That TACO orange buffoon lost 3 Fighter jets and a bunch of drones against houthis and keeps harping on losses somewhere else.

Date	Aircraft Type	Incident Description
Mar 17	MQ-9 Reaper Drone	Shot down by Houthi surface-to-air missile
Mar 22	F/A-18F Super Hornet	Friendly fire incident during night sortie
Apr 12	MQ-9 Reaper Drone	Lost signal, presumed downed over Houthi territory
Apr 24	F/A-18E Super Hornet	Slid off elevator aboard USS Truman during evasive turn
Apr 30	F/A-18F Super Hornet	Arresting cable failure during landing; jet lost at sea
May 6	F/A-18E Super Hornet	Fell overboard with tow tractor during missile evasive action

Yeah, them dumbasses lost all of them against clowns.

Have you seen any defense expert or any debates on these losses?

Orange buffoon sure knows how to divert from shit in his own mouth.
Imagine being a clown who lost bunch of jets to a bunch of cave dwellers and having the gall to talk about losses somewhere else.
utterly shameless clown.

 

[Vinash]

You won't see any other nation having gone to war being asked about lost equipment.
FFS, US lost a plane to a militia just a month back. You never see anyone having any kind of discussion on that. There was not a single debate or discussion on it.

That TACO orange buffoon lost 3 Fighter jets and a bunch of drones against houthis and keeps harping on losses somewhere else.

Date	Aircraft Type	Incident Description
Mar 17	MQ-9 Reaper Drone	Shot down by Houthi surface-to-air missile
Mar 22	F/A-18F Super Hornet	Friendly fire incident during night sortie
Apr 12	MQ-9 Reaper Drone	Lost signal, presumed downed over Houthi territory
Apr 24	F/A-18E Super Hornet	Slid off elevator aboard USS Truman during evasive turn
Apr 30	F/A-18F Super Hornet	Arresting cable failure during landing; jet lost at sea
May 6	F/A-18E Super Hornet	Fell overboard with tow tractor during missile evasive action

Yeah, them dumbasses lost all of them against clowns.

Have you seen any defense expert or any debates on these losses?

Why are we so obsessed with losses?

There are 2 groups of people who are overtly obsessed with losses.

1) Youngsters and normies who have no clue about attack operations and who think it's like a video game.

2) Congressi bastards who must find something to attack BJP.

 

[snakeeyes07]

You won't see any other nation having gone to war being asked about lost equipment.
FFS, US lost a plane to a militia just a month back. You never see anyone having any kind of discussion on that. There was not a single debate or discussion on it.

That TACO orange buffoon lost 3 Fighter jets and a bunch of drones against houthis and keeps harping on losses somewhere else.

Date	Aircraft Type	Incident Description
Mar 17	MQ-9 Reaper Drone	Shot down by Houthi surface-to-air missile
Mar 22	F/A-18F Super Hornet	Friendly fire incident during night sortie
Apr 12	MQ-9 Reaper Drone	Lost signal, presumed downed over Houthi territory
Apr 24	F/A-18E Super Hornet	Slid off elevator aboard USS Truman during evasive turn
Apr 30	F/A-18F Super Hornet	Arresting cable failure during landing; jet lost at sea
May 6	F/A-18E Super Hornet	Fell overboard with tow tractor during missile evasive action

Yeah, them dumbasses lost all of them against clowns.

Have you seen any defense expert or any debates on these losses?

Why are we so obsessed with losses?

Pentagon gave a press release soon after each of these losses, so it didn't become an issue.

They acknowledged 1 friendly fire, 1 near miss due to friendly fire and 1 loss when carrier took evasion action.

Hypothetically if Trump had ordered Pentagon to hide losses during his campaign against Houthis and it then leaked to media, it would become a minor political issue then (minor considering Epstein stuff he is dealing with right now).

 

[Prasad]

Pentagon gave a press release soon after each of these losses, so it didn't become an issue.

They acknowledged 1 friendly fire, 1 near miss due to friendly fire and 1 loss when carrier took evasion action.

Hypothetically if Trump had ordered Pentagon to hide losses during his campaign against Houthis and it then leaked to media, it would become a minor political issue then (considering Epstein stuff he is dealing with right now).

Our leadership has also talked about losses.
In fact after each operation, the details are always released, to the last man & machine lost.

Having said that, there is little detail which is being missed. The stance from our end that the operation is still on-going.
Why would you give any info to the enemy when the operation is on-going?

Again, why does everyone need to do everything live?
Either one trusts the leadership or does not. It just boils down to that.

While having a healthy distrust in political class is necessary, it's hard to argue when we came along away from MMS prostrating before Pakis after 26/11 to now.

There are many who wanted more damage to pakis, fair enough.
but there are also many who are just doing politics for obvious reasons.
The loss of any jets is now being used by political opponents. It does not take rocket a scientist to understand why this is happening right now when parliament is in session.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Our leadership has also talked about losses.
In fact after each operation, the details are always released, to the last man & machine lost.

Having said that, there is little detail which is being missed. The stance from our end that the operation is still on-going.
Why would you give any info to the enemy when the operation is on-going?

Again, why does everyone need to do everything live?
Either one trusts the leadership or does not. It just boils down to that.

While having a healthy distrust in political class is necessary, it's hard to argue when we came along away from MMS prostrating before Pakis after 26/11 to now.

There are many who wanted more damage to pakis, fair enough.
but there are also many who are just doing politics for obvious reasons.
The loss of any jets is now being used by political opponents. It does not take rocket a scientist to understand why this is happening right now when parliament is in session.

Modi deserves credit for political will to initiate Op Sindoor. And for adding Muridke and Bawahalpur targets to the terms of reference given to IAF. Giving enough freedom to military for ensuring escalation dominance by May 10th. I have no complaints there, in terms of dealing with Pakistan BJP has been leaps and bounds better than INC.

My concern is that IAF losses in Op Sindoor is an opportunity too if channeled right which could be missed. One aspect of it is giving a freehand to IAF to order whatever aircraft it wants for MRFA, it will most likely be another batch of Rafales. I doubt Rahul Gandhi will oppose it like last time. Increasing DRDO funding and to incentivize DRDO & DcPP to begin production of Astra 2 & 3, Rudram 2 & 3 ASAP. Radical growth/changes can be done if institutions feel there is a sword hanging above them.

After Balakot, Modi made a statement that if Rafales would have been there then situation would be different. 36 rafales were already on order at the time. Had IAF/government been in a crisis mode then they would have ordered another batch of 36. I doubt INC would have opposed it at the time. IAF would have been pushing Dassault for early integration of ISE changes (Meteors?). If Dassault was still anemic then PMO would have raised it with French government directly.

 

[Viper316]

Some members keep trolling deliberately, why members expecting zero losses in a war. What matters during the whole operation had we not achieved the objective, displayed our dominance, climbed to the top of escalation dictated terms forced the enemy to give up so quickly. Only negativity was Govt ROE on 1st day quite inappropriate but when we wanted to hit pak military infrastructure what pak able to do was move their assets to far away places and couldn't achieve substantial in retaliation to missile strike. Acoording to some clowns downing 1 or 2 jets downing is winning the war but the complete dominance we achived over pak airbases on may 9th and 10th is too little for them