Indian Special Forces

Kilomike2 said:
So let me tell you something which the officer did not clarify in the podcast.

This incident is from Mir Moholla, Hajin, 2019
Combined op of 13 and 31 RR

This family that was 'trapped' in the house was present with the terrorists for past two weeks. They were being fed and served well by that family. The locals even spotted that 11 year old boy playing football with those Paki tangos in their compound.

They were hardcore OGW's who were in contact with the Lashkar handlers in Pak.

While staying in that house one of the terrorist fell for the daughter (19) of the 60 year old father, so the father sent away his daughter to their relatives. So the tension builded up when the terrorists got to know about it.

So when the CASO started near the house the terrorists wanted the family to stay with them but they resisted.

When the forces tried to get the civies out from the house, the terrorists themselves sent away the mother and other ladies out but kept the father and son.

In the second room intervention attempt by 31 RR, they were fired upon being spotted and it failed.

In the 3rd attempt to rescue while the terr0rists engaged the army, the father escaped from the window like a coward leaving his son behind.

the terr0rists even shot a couple of rounds towards the father, but he ran away

Frustrated brave mujahids, ch0pped up the neck of the 11 yr old kid

The army teams probably thought that the father has escaped along with the kid so they backed off.

The mother of the kid repeatedly asked local SP and Coy cmdr to let her speak to the terrorists. As she knew the 'mujahids' well and they weren't bad people and that they will release the kid upon being requested.

So the army took her along with them inside the house and the terr0rists asked her to come and see her son. So she went near the room and saw the body of her son lying down. Upon seeing this she ran away and was taken down.

Using drones the army confirmed, the boy was dead.

and then the room was blew up using IED's

I think it was a completely logical decision by the officers to let her talk with them as the terrorists were the one's to let her go and she was happily staying with them for the past 2 weeks.

the 3rd rescue attempt was almost a complete success had the father not left behind his son.

The room layout was very simple, just a door for entry which connects it the staircase and a window (quite like the pic I have attached). One terrorist was probably guarding the door while one was guarding the window.

They had good stores of 7.62 ammo, grenades and even a fking Thuraya SAT phone.

We have seen operators risking their all to save civilians in Pampore,View attachment 16405 I don't know what makes you believe that they didn't do it here.

after the operation that mfking family did not even said a word against those Paki pigs. All they could do was accuse the army on indirectly killing their boy in interviews.

Seeing the family's loss, the local magistrate asked the police to drop off all charges against that family for helping terrorists with stay and food.

The police compensated them with money to build a new house and other frfreebies
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Damn after listening to this I take my words back, the family was absolutely at fault.
This house was probably 400 m from river side border and that made it a perfect hiding spot for tangos.
 
Kilomike2 said:
So let me tell you something which the officer did not clarify in the podcast.

This incident is from Mir Moholla, Hajin, 2019
Combined op of 13 and 31 RR

This family that was 'trapped' in the house was present with the terrorists for past two weeks. They were being fed and served well by that family. The locals even spotted that 11 year old boy playing football with those Paki tangos in their compound.

They were hardcore OGW's who were in contact with the Lashkar handlers in Pak.

While staying in that house one of the terrorist fell for the daughter (19) of the 60 year old father, so the father sent away his daughter to their relatives. So the tension builded up when the terrorists got to know about it.

So when the CASO started near the house the terrorists wanted the family to stay with them but they resisted.

When the forces tried to get the civies out from the house, the terrorists themselves sent away the mother and other ladies out but kept the father and son.

In the second room intervention attempt by 31 RR, they were fired upon being spotted and it failed.

In the 3rd attempt to rescue while the terr0rists engaged the army, the father escaped from the window like a coward leaving his son behind.

the terr0rists even shot a couple of rounds towards the father, but he ran away

Frustrated brave mujahids, ch0pped up the neck of the 11 yr old kid

The army teams probably thought that the father has escaped along with the kid so they backed off.

The mother of the kid repeatedly asked local SP and Coy cmdr to let her speak to the terrorists. As she knew the 'mujahids' well and they weren't bad people and that they will release the kid upon being requested.

So the army took her along with them inside the house and the terr0rists asked her to come and see her son. So she went near the room and saw the body of her son lying down. Upon seeing this she ran away and was taken down.

Using drones the army confirmed, the boy was dead.

and then the room was blew up using IED's

I think it was a completely logical decision by the officers to let her talk with them as the terrorists were the one's to let her go and she was happily staying with them for the past 2 weeks.

the 3rd rescue attempt was almost a complete success had the father not left behind his son.

The room layout was very simple, just a door for entry which connects it the staircase and a window (quite like the pic I have attached). One terrorist was probably guarding the door while one was guarding the window.

They had good stores of 7.62 ammo, grenades and even a fking Thuraya SAT phone.

We have seen operators risking their all to save civilians in Pampore,View attachment 16405 I don't know what makes you believe that they didn't do it here.

after the operation that mfking family did not even said a word against those Paki pigs. All they could do was accuse the army on indirectly killing their boy in interviews.

Seeing the family's loss, the local magistrate asked the police to drop off all charges against that family for helping terrorists with stay and food.

The police compensated them with money to build a new house and other freebies
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okay now that gives a clearer picture, thanks!
As far as the failed room intervention attempt by 31 RR goes, it's possibly because the SOPs are to do it in day time, ofcourse they'd be spotted. I dont know even in 2016 when NSG was on standby why was it not used for any urban ops.

Moreover the ROEs must have also binded the Para guys from using more force.
 
COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
Its not the job of Para SF to do these operations.

They dont have the training,they dont have the equipment and its not the job of a Army SF to do Hostage rescue.

What is the NSG doing in a place like Kolkata where the state govt is in bed with the bad elements..what kind of a threat do Bengalis have?

We see Urban ops in and around Srinagar on a daily basis including hostage situations.

Why is so much money spent on NSG if they are supposed to just sit in their base and do a bi annual exercise?

We have all kinds of resources and zero brain.


And you are right..members of this forum will not be silent if soldiers are treated like cannon fodder..and i will be the first to criticise.
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Bro i don’t get all these rants against his decision to wait.If like you guys had opined ,Para went to flush out the terrorists and cost them a couple of operators and somehow the boy was killed you will be receiving heat from both civilians and also military higher ups.why do you think Kandahar airlines didn’t get stormed by NSG?Plus it might not be the call of field commander of Para to rush in and breach the doors.Its easy to blame them but if the climax of op turned like that of mos ow theatr siege instead of operation entebbe who would be blamed in the end?
 
armyofhind said:
There's a tendency to jump the gun here on the thread.. but that is how it's always been.. on the old forum as well.

Criticism is fine, it is needed as well, but then I suppose it is prudent to wait for the full picture before delivering it.

My two cents.
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Always keep a round in chamber as the ustaads say
 
COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:

View: https://x.com/newsiadn/status/1860360872134406325?s=46
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That looks like Saudi Arabian National Guard.

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Bleh said:
Dude half of DFI talks like that! 😆

These guys were supposed to be hunters & that's what they're trained for. Leave the hostage situation to NSG. Let Garud guard AF bases & train on retrieving downed pilots behind the line & let Marcos to naval/littoral ops.

Sabko sabkuchh chodna hy



One thing on their side I'll say to defend these actions, is that many of these losers do surrender. I have a friend who was in RR (punishment posting for punching a superior 😆) & he shared that much of these "revolutionaries" lose their appetite for jihad very quickly. They often join for the glory & girls but don't actually have stomach for it.
Telling them they're surrounded & getting their family to talk them out of it qre valid tactics, which commonly work.

Seeing a guy demanding to get some pussy must have made them interpret him as one of those Kashmiri incels. With another day another guy, this could have indeed been bloodlessly solved.
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Bloodlessly solved..!!!!!

Why didn't NSG appy same during Mumbai attack!!?
Waiting outside Taj hotel in hope of terrorists leaving hostages unharmed..!!


MAN.. THIS IS FUCKING SPECIAL FORCES...!!
THEY ARE MENT TO HUNT THESE PAKISTANI TERRORISTS. PAKIs CAME HERE TO DIE. HOW OFTEN DO YOU HEAR PAKIS TERRORISTS SURRENDEING RECENTLY!!??
PARA SF DIDN'T GO IN BECAUSE THEY FUCKING LACK CONFIDENCE IN THEIR OWN CAPABILITY.
 
hkdas said:
Bloodlessly solved..!!!!!

Why didn't NSG appy same during Mumbai attack!!?
Waiting outside Taj hotel in hope of terrorists leaving hostages unharmed..!!


MAN.. THIS IS FUCKING SPECIAL FORCES...!!
THEY ARE MENT TO HUNT THESE PAKISTANI TERRORISTS. PAKIs CAME HERE TO DIE. HOW OFTEN DO YOU HEAR PAKIS TERRORISTS SURRENDEING RECENTLY!!??
PARA SF DIDN'T GO IN BECAUSE THEY FUCKING LACK CONFIDENCE IN THEIR OWN CAPABILITY.
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Oh, really?
 
hkdas said:
Bloodlessly solved..!!!!!

Why didn't NSG appy same during Mumbai attack!!?
Waiting outside Taj hotel in hope of terrorists leaving hostages unharmed..!!


MAN.. THIS IS FUCKING SPECIAL FORCES...!!
THEY ARE MENT TO HUNT THESE PAKISTANI TERRORISTS. PAKIs CAME HERE TO DIE. HOW OFTEN DO YOU HEAR PAKIS TERRORISTS SURRENDEING RECENTLY!!??
PARA SF DIDN'T GO IN BECAUSE THEY FUCKING LACK CONFIDENCE IN THEIR OWN CAPABILITY.
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Lack of confidence yeah okay 👍
Nice and easy to say it out loud on social media
 
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