Indian Special Forces

[jaijaganath]

From 18:10. This para SF officer talks about a hostage rescue operation...
Guys, this so called "tank" should have court martialed soon after the operation.
This idiot and his fucked up team doesn't even know how to deal with an active hostage situation.
This idiot waited for 1 hour asking pakis terrorists to leave the kid they had taken hostage, then he send kid's mother to those pervert terrorists to convince them to leave the kid alone. And in frustration of being surrounded and didn't get the chance to fuck that kid's sister, terrorist cut the throat of the kid, that unfortunate mother had to witness the blood and body of the boy with cut open throat..!!!


WTF!!?? He and his unit/battalion don't deserve to be in Indian army, but they are our SPECIAL FORCES...!!!!

The insident happened like this..
A family was taken hostage by terrorists for 1 month, their demand was to have sex with the elder girl in the family and they were having that till father saved the girl by somehow sending her away.
Army para SF got Intel(probably through the girl) and came there, start Mike announcement to let know terrorists about army's arrival.
Then terrorists send 4 younger girls and 2 boys out and took father and younger boy as hostage (they did that because less number of hostages are easier to handle).
Army conducted room intervention and came to know that terrorists were in top floor,
Father escaped from terrorists and ran towards soldiers, soldiers got the father and he informed about the boy held by terrorists, All withdraw and came out of the house, despite knowing that the boy is held by terrorists... Waited 1 hour outside the house, para SF continues the Mike announcement from outside.. Send the kid's mother inside as she volunteered for it(probably got frustrated by the inaction of para SF soldiers and she realises that to save the life of the boy she needs to do something), she goes inside the house and she saw her kid's blood along with the body with throat slit.

Wtf
I mean did they really did such stupid thing
I mean where the hell was CO
This is not and ordinary failed operation rather knowingly disobeying SOP and in what world were they living
They were really thinking those jihadis who have been trained since their childhood to change their mind in just one night
Or were these buffoons fell for secularism and Aman ka tamasha
They should be court martialed not for failure but for lacking basic common sense even after reaching to such a responsible and demanding post
Now we have to believe that these people are tip of spear

 

[hkdas]

31 RR*

Same wine in different bottle.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Agree... And here para SF used Gandhi's non violent method for hostage rescue. Which clearly failed and 8 year old kid got killed because of para sf's unique tactics.
That father must regretting his decision to trust para SF ..!!

Its not Gandhi method.

Its a lack of self belief.

Which is due to lack of training and equipment.

This should be the job of NSG or local police SWAT but we dont have both.

Coming to Para SF..we all know they are not the best in hostage rescue and room intervention techniques nor do they have the equipment.

Hence,he must be negotiating to save his life and his own men to be honest.

 

[hkdas]

Wtf
I mean did they really did such stupid thing
I mean where the hell was CO
This is not and ordinary failed operation rather knowingly disobeying SOP and in what world were they living
They were really thinking those jihadis who have been trained since their childhood to change their mind in just one night
Or were these buffoons fell for secularism and Aman ka tamasha
They should be court martialed not for failure but for lacking basic common sense even after reaching to such a responsible and demanding post
Now we have to believe that these people are tip of spear

Well, he was the CO ( he had 9 years of service at that time, probably he was major at that time).
It is the SOP to wait for terrorists to have a change of heart and let hostages go.
You can see things like sending civilians into house terrorists are holding up, mic announcement etc even in videos of joint exercises with foreign troops.

 

[hkdas]

Coming to Para SF..we all know they are not the best in hostage rescue and room intervention techniques nor do they have the equipment.

Hence,he must be negotiating to save his life and his own men to be honest.

The most important equipment a good soldier need to conduct hostage rescue during day time is a rifle with good optics.
Clearly para SF have it.
What they don't have is good training. What they have in abundance is... EGO.
If anyone questions them they will say "we ran 100km with 40kg weight, can you do it!?"

If any civilian question them about their rifles, they will counter it by asking a counter question of "have you ever fired a weapon!? If not don't talk about it".

 

[jaijaganath]

Well, he was the CO ( he had 9 years of service at that time, probably he was major at that time).
It is the SOP to wait for terrorists to have a change of heart and let hostages go.
You can see things like sending civilians into house terrorists are holding up, mic announcement etc even in videos of joint exercises with foreign troops.

Never knew that it's Sop to wait for terrorists to change their heart rather a choice I suppose
Mic announcements are done to give warning before assaulting in CT ops
Things change completely in hostage situation and has different motive
Terrorists will let them go only if the hostage helps them to escape or they have different objective or else that will simply kill the hostage atleast if aren't newly turned militant
In this case they were all well trained jihadis with such baseless demands

I completely agree with @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR ji analogy they lacked training and equipment for morden breaching and room intervention techniques which resulted in such a disaster

 

[Simon Riley]

Its not Gandhi method.

Its a lack of self belief.

Which is due to lack of training and equipment.

This should be the job of NSG or local police SWAT but we dont have both.

Coming to Para SF..we all know they are not the best in hostage rescue and room intervention techniques nor do they have the equipment.

Hence,he must be negotiating to save his life and his own men to be honest.

As far as I know a lot of sf soldiers are ex nsg , and since this incident took place in Kashmir,where a lot of sf units are already deployed a temporary team of ex nsg operatives could have been created and mobilized.

 

[Simon Riley]

Such incidents are seriously discouraging me for upcoming ssb attempts and makes me want to focus on clearing management exams.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Such incidents are seriously discouraging me for upcoming ssb attempts and makes me want to focus on clearing management exams.

Look the Army is not going to change and neither can you do it alone even if you join.

Army is a lifestyle.

You are the one who has to change.

It is a great clean and disciplined career where you have to adjust and not the other way around.

As far as this incident goes…its nothing compared to other fuck ups.

A Para Maj got court martialied for taking a stand for his troops in Kargil.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Well, he was the CO ( he had 9 years of service at that time, probably he was major at that time).
It is the SOP to wait for terrorists to have a change of heart and let hostages go.
You can see things like sending civilians into house terrorists are holding up, mic announcement etc even in videos of joint exercises with foreign troops.

ya goddamn it's stupid af. I can't belive we have so many SCTUs and still SOPs are not shared. NSG and MARCOS would've never done shit like this. Why do Paras, even though so many Para boys are in NSG like wtf ?
Dude Paras suck ass at hostage rescue
I can see why they didn't decide to go in!



Paras seem to use outdated methods for CQB like this looks like to me what’s called a “strong wall” method; entering through one point, whether it’s through a door, and forming a wall of assaulters all with their weapons pointed in/toward the same basic direction.

This is good for law enforcement type scenarios where you go in and expect a criminal to surrender, seeing the strength of force, however in a complex scenario or incase you are an SF unit fighting terrorists. This method sucks because:


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zw4vWaS2LOo

 

[Noob]

From 18:10. This para SF officer talks about a hostage rescue operation...
Guys, this so called "tank" should have court martialed soon after the operation.
This idiot and his fucked up team doesn't even know how to deal with an active hostage situation.
This idiot waited for 1 hour asking pakis terrorists to leave the kid they had taken hostage, then he send kid's mother to those pervert terrorists to convince them to leave the kid alone. And in frustration of being surrounded and didn't get the chance to fuck that kid's sister, terrorist cut the throat of the kid, that unfortunate mother had to witness the blood and body of the boy with cut open throat..!!!


WTF!!?? He and his unit/battalion don't deserve to be in Indian army, but they are our SPECIAL FORCES...!!!!

The insident happened like this..
A family was taken hostage by terrorists for 1 month, their demand was to have sex with the elder girl in the family and they were having that till father saved the girl by somehow sending her away.
Army para SF got Intel(probably through the girl) and came there, start Mike announcement to let know terrorists about army's arrival.
Then terrorists send 4 younger girls and 2 boys out and took father and younger boy as hostage (they did that because less number of hostages are easier to handle).
Army conducted room intervention and came to know that terrorists were in top floor,
Father escaped from terrorists and ran towards soldiers, soldiers got the father and he informed about the boy held by terrorists, All withdraw and came out of the house, despite knowing that the boy is held by terrorists... Waited 1 hour outside the house, para SF continues the Mike announcement from outside.. Send the kid's mother inside as she volunteered for it(probably got frustrated by the inaction of para SF soldiers and she realises that to save the life of the boy she needs to do something), she goes inside the house and she saw her kid's blood along with the body with throat slit.

Wtf did I just read.....

 

[marliii]

Some one wanted NSG to be disbanded some pages back.

 

[Mr.Evil]

From 18:10. This para SF officer talks about a hostage rescue operation...
Guys, this so called "tank" should have court martialed soon after the operation.
This idiot and his fucked up team doesn't even know how to deal with an active hostage situation.
This idiot waited for 1 hour asking pakis terrorists to leave the kid they had taken hostage, then he send kid's mother to those pervert terrorists to convince them to leave the kid alone. And in frustration of being surrounded and didn't get the chance to fuck that kid's sister, terrorist cut the throat of the kid, that unfortunate mother had to witness the blood and body of the boy with cut open throat..!!!


WTF!!?? He and his unit/battalion don't deserve to be in Indian army, but they are our SPECIAL FORCES...!!!!

The insident happened like this..
A family was taken hostage by terrorists for 1 month, their demand was to have sex with the elder girl in the family and they were having that till father saved the girl by somehow sending her away.
Army para SF got Intel(probably through the girl) and came there, start Mike announcement to let know terrorists about army's arrival.
Then terrorists send 4 younger girls and 2 boys out and took father and younger boy as hostage (they did that because less number of hostages are easier to handle).
Army conducted room intervention and came to know that terrorists were in top floor,
Father escaped from terrorists and ran towards soldiers, soldiers got the father and he informed about the boy held by terrorists, All withdraw and came out of the house, despite knowing that the boy is held by terrorists... Waited 1 hour outside the house, para SF continues the Mike announcement from outside.. Send the kid's mother inside as she volunteered for it(probably got frustrated by the inaction of para SF soldiers and she realises that to save the life of the boy she needs to do something), she goes inside the house and she saw her kid's blood along with the body with throat slit.

WTF?!?!?

 

[Jedi Operator]

Not summarised in a good way!

hainji ? fir ap kardo summarize sir

 

[IWIarad11]

As far as I could understand: it was an op with RR (mike and all woh hi karte hai) but yeah even I've heard 9 para guys used call out trts from caves to surrender.

 

[hkdas]

As far as I could understand: it was an op with RR (mike and all woh hi karte hai) but yeah even I've heard 9 para guys used call out trts from caves to surrender.

Does that matter if the operation was with RR or CRPF or Police!!?? That operation was conducted by para SF.
Are they supposed to stop room intervention operation after knowing terrorists are holding up on top floor!!??
Are they supposed to exist the house when terrorist are confirmed to be hold up inside the house with a hostage (that too a young boy)!!??
Waiting for 1 hour after stopping room intervention midway in the hope that highly radicalised Pakistani terrorists may have a change of heart and leave the kid alone!!!????
Man, where is the logic in any of the action that para team took!!!??

 

[ezsasa]

Does that matter if the operation was with RR or CRPF or Police!!?? That operation was conducted by para SF.
Are they supposed to stop room intervention operation after knowing terrorists are holding up on top floor!!??
Are they supposed to exist the house when terrorist are confirmed to be hold up inside the house with a hostage (that too a young boy)!!??
Waiting for 1 hour after stopping room intervention midway in the hope that highly radicalised Pakistani terrorists may have a change of heart and leave the kid alone!!!????
Man, where is the logic in any of the action that para team took!!!??

if the CO had continued with the room intervention and had taken both civil and military casualties, what would the discussion here look like?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Why the heck are NSG not deployed permanently in Srinagar with a dedicated helicopter available?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

As far as I know a lot of sf soldiers are ex nsg , and since this incident took place in Kashmir,where a lot of sf units are already deployed a temporary team of ex nsg operatives could have been created and mobilized.

This doesnt work like that..

Maybe the ex NSG guys are 10 in a unit with different experience and ranks and cannot form up a team.

Maybe they are on courses..Maybe on leave.

You need a dedicated unit to do these things bcoz you need to train.

10 NSG guys in Para SF cannot self train and they need a instructor.

 

[hkdas]

if the CO had continued with the room intervention and had taken both civil and military casualties, what would the discussion here look like?

Civil casuality already happened. As for military casuality, we would have accepted it as it was a risk army special forces are mandated to take and ofcourse everyone would have discussed on improving CQB drill further.
But here in reality, HR skills of para SF are non-existent, That is a serious problem, not just to military but for all.