ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Bleh]

Read this... (I think it's a Rafale)


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/1hpk6qi/what_is_this_rafale_mockup_doing_at_bareilly_afs/

 

[Nutcracker]

Read this... (I think it's a Rafale)


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/1hpk6qi/what_is_this_rafale_mockup_doing_at_bareilly_afs/

Tailend looks too thin for Rafale's twin engine fuselage.

 

[Spitfire IX]

1.1million per F414 engine? lol...how could it be done?

you have bought F404 several times already, so have a double check

Good question. I thought F404 cost multiple times that figure of 1.1million.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Read this... (I think it's a Rafale)


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/1hpk6qi/what_is_this_rafale_mockup_doing_at_bareilly_afs/

Tailend looks too thin for Rafale's twin engine fuselage.

Looks like a Rafale most likely.

 

[Spitfire IX]

oh...the price(1.1million) should be royalty ONLY...

normaly US navy could get a F414 @ around 5 million and earlier the price of F404 was around 4 million

That is in line with what I remember.

 

[Bleh]

Tailend looks too thin for Rafale's twin engine fuselage.

Maybe.
Wing-sweep is closer to LCA Mk2.
Plus I see slight change in wing sweep angle from middle. But canard-angle & all, LCA Mk2 is supposed to look like this from top... that ain't it.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

That is in line with what I remember.

Happy new year, in just few minutes

 

[AbRaj]

Maybe.
Wing-sweep is closer to LCA Mk2.
Plus I see slight change in wing sweep angle from middle. But canard-angle & all, LCA Mk2 is supposed to look like this from top... that ain't it. View attachment 20279

Its a 69th gen fighter TD developed by Barelly Skunk works(BS-W)

 

[vampyrbladez]

HAL forms panel to negotiate GE-F414 deal with US, aims to ink it by March 2025

https://aninews.in/news/national/general-news/hal-forms-panel-to-negotiate-ge-f414-deal-with-us-aims-to-ink-it-by-march-202520241231215329/

 

[Asmodeus]

View attachment 20278

Canopy looks like Rafale but fuselage and tail looks mk2.. Might be their kid

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/SJha1618/status/1875441761084174380

 

[Bleh]

Requirements for LCA Mark2 stands at 20°/sec STR & 20°/sec ITR maximum by ideal height-airs1peed, as per shit I'd posted back in DFI (all list forever )... so slightly above Mirage-2000. Tejas FOC already demonstrates nearly as much.

The canards are supposed to reduce the drag. The idea that canards add more drag than tailplanes may not be correct.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

HAL forms panel to negotiate GE-F414 deal with US, aims to ink it by March 2025

https://aninews.in/news/national/general-news/hal-forms-panel-to-negotiate-ge-f414-deal-with-us-aims-to-ink-it-by-march-202520241231215329/

Our competition is building next gen stealth fighters. We're still building panels and committees to negotiate engines for in-development current gen stealth fighters.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Geometric shaping came out publicly with USAF's ATF project in 1990.
Many documentaries in 1990s shared interviews of their test pilots, chief designers, engineers, program managers, etc who said geometry alone reduces RCS a lot. Some of those videos are still available on Youtube. So in 30-35 years also MWF didn't get geometric shaping, although TEDBF seems to have some, and RAM paint is ready now. How difficult was this to do in 35 years:

 

[Bleh]

. How difficult was this to do in 35 years:

Very a complete redesign from scratch... you can't just draw lines & expect it to work!

They tried to alter the Rafale & call it TEDBF & now everyday it looks more like Rafale

 

[high_IQ_bharatiya_sainik]

Geometric shaping came out publicly with USAF's ATF project in 1990.
Many documentaries in 1990s shared interviews of their test pilots, chief designers, engineers, program managers, etc who said geometry alone reduces RCS a lot. Some of those videos are still available on Youtube. So in 30-35 years also MWF didn't get geometric shaping, although TEDBF seems to have some, and RAM paint is ready now. How difficult was this to do in 35 years:
View attachment 20690

Yeah, A single engine MWF with frontal stealth section from TEDBF. Atleast something kinda similar could have done to future proof it. The entire aircraft is almost a redesign anyways.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Very a complete redesign from scratch... you can't just draw lines & expect it to work!

They tried to alter the Rafale & call it TEDBF & now everyday it looks more like Rafale

yeah, scratch, cleansheet, whatever you wanna call it. The lines are just notional.
If they can inflate LCA then they could have simply reduced AMCA, but 35 years have been less to do it, that;s half a lifetime & entire career time. Now we'll be stuck for next 40-50 years with it, can't spit, can't swallow. At least few squads will be produced even if a geometric design takes place.

 

[FactsPlease]

I too doubt it will be that easy.
If that easy, France should had modified Rafael naval ones easily to fit in elevators on Vikramaditya.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

I too doubt it will be that easy.
If that easy, France should had modified Rafael naval ones easily to fit in elevators on Vikramaditya.

Everything in life is partially easy, partially difficult. OR it depends what job people like/dislike doing. Scientists & engineers are well paid to think & do difficult tasks.
French engineers would have definitely done Cost-Benefit analysis on modifying Rafale Vs F-18SH & may be they were ok if they lost. Small country, but they are very much occupied industrially in both civil & military domains. IDK if they will make Naval FCAS, who knows they are working on something stealthy based on Rafale.
In 35 years, w.r.t. shaping a jet, full effort was given to AMCA, half effort has been given to TEDBF & ZERO effort to MWF.

 

[Bleh]

I too doubt it will be that easy.
If that easy, France should had modified Rafael naval ones easily to fit in elevators on Vikramaditya.

No that's redesign of the same airframe. It's more complicated, like how our Sainik sir wanted the pylons shifted on MWF. Not possible for to structural strength reasons.

However designing a derivative based on a larger fighter is possible, like La'vi. Actually one exists for the very Rafale you cited as example.
It's the Novi Avion of Yugoslavia created by Dassault consultancy.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kKabJF3uFec