AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (16 Viewers)

[shade2]

Ye bhi sahi hai baat hai. Dekhte hain kya hota hai. I hope the project somehow roll through that like Tejas.

Tejas ka bhi it's not final yet.

If the stakeholders were serious and had braincells in would be in service already and with good numbers

But instead you have pic relateds sabotaging it



Chongs wanted a good fighter since the Mig29 was known to be a potato so they bought/stole the IAI Lavi design and fit an AL-31FP engine in there and got it through into service.

Our pic relateds however will make sure than in the end we have the Impoort onlee, the Govt's Adamantium Chindipan is the only obstacle.

 

[redpanda]

Tejas ka bhi it's not final yet.

If the stakeholders were serious and had braincells in would be in service already and with good numbers

But instead you have pic relateds sabotaging it

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Chongs wanted a good fighter since the Mig29 was known to be a potato so they bought/stole the IAI Lavi design and fit an AL-31FP engine in there and got it through into service.

Our pic relateds however will make sure than in the end we have the Impoort onlee, the Govt's Adamantium Chindipan is the only obstacle.

Yeah. There is also the fact, once chongress comes in power all this atmanirbhar thing will get put in a back burner, because imports give better cuts. Then dalals will have much more power like the good old days. This government is chindi, so they somehow still create trouble for dalals.

 

[shade2]

Yeah. There is also the fact, once chongress comes in power all this atmanirbhar thing will get put in a back burner, because imports give better cuts. Then dalals will have much more power like the good old days. This government is chindi, so they somehow still create trouble for dalals.

Lol if Congress comes to power we will definitely get F-35, and it will be a scandal similar to but 1000x worse than the time where they signed all sorts of BS end-use conditions by the Amerisharts to procure the INS Jalashwa.

If Congress comes back we may see more acquisitions than Bhajipao's current 11 years but it will be dalali at levels never before thought possible, and a litany of ((( end use conditons ))) will be signed.

 

[Brood Father]

Lol.. Let me tell you truth ..ADA and HAL cannot build a jack shit by their own efforts
All this AMCA bullshit will go down the drain by 2030 when our incompetent people in HAL and ADA will realize that it is not up to them to build such sophisticated design .

 

[Vilander]

Who exactly?
Buddy, i'm not really good at using code language, altered spellings, etc. i speak & write straight.

I found this post funny.

Rajnath Singh
Kadhi Nindha
Projects glacial pace
So ninda turtle

 

[Tumba]

Lol.. Let me tell you truth ..ADA and HAL cannot build a jack shit by their own efforts
All this AMCA bullshit will go down the drain by 2030 when our incompetent people in HAL and ADA will realize that it is not up to them to build such sophisticated design .

Thats what happens when u dont hire based on merit … story of all Govt PSUs

 

[Tumba]

It seems like SU 57 MKI kind of deal in works with more Indian subsystems …

Hopefully its worth the geopolitical headache and is stealthy enough to SEAD/DEAD in Tibet

 

[redpanda]

It seems like SU 57 MKI kind of deal in works with more Indian subsystems …

Hopefully its worth the geopolitical headache and is stealthy enough to SEAD/DEAD in Tibet

We can avoid CAATSA because it's an older deal. We haven't officially exited the FGFA programme. But America will create supply chain issue for Tejas and AMCA project in retaliation. And might try to target our companies like Adani or Tata with some random case.

 

[shade2]

Lol.. Let me tell you truth ..ADA and HAL cannot build a jack shit by their own efforts
All this AMCA bullshit will go down the drain by 2030 when our incompetent people in HAL and ADA will realize that it is not up to them to build such sophisticated design .

If they can't then hire a consultancy

Admirals did the same for INS Vikrant in earliest stages of development

ADA had Dassault as the tech consultant at the start, it is no cohencidence that Tejas has a tailless delta wing design

Turkans for their Kaane fighter jet hired BAE of UK as their consultant

Sooth Koreans for their KF-21 Boramae have hired Lockheed Martin( ofc this won't happen with us lol )

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Lol.. Let me tell you truth ..ADA and HAL cannot build a jack shit by their own efforts
All this AMCA bullshit will go down the drain by 2030 when our incompetent people in HAL and ADA will realize that it is not up to them to build such sophisticated design .

Many things are indeed annoying but - If they made LCA, making MWF prototype, then why not AMCA?

 

[Spitfire IX]

We are GG fucked from every angle unless they take AMCA development seriously especially with one version without C engines.

Fly AMCA with your rillit Idi egies. should hve

Pata hai but dalals will do loud rudali every year that passes and we don't have a phipth jen stealth faita but Pakistan "will get J-35 and F-35".

Su-57 will not come because muh CAATSA, muh goras upset, not because it's a mediocre plane.

We are GG fucked from every angle unless they take AMCA development seriously especially with one version without Amerishart/Britshit engines.


Rafale is only a stop gap, once govt places the order for that, the UN Generols will start clamoring for F-35, mark my words.

India is incapable of making a TF that comes anywhere near the technology of Amerishart/Britshit engines.

Perhaps in 20-30 years if it pumps vast amounts of money into the project. In 20-30 years US + UK will have moved forward 20-30 years. Remember that when India has its own Indiashit engine for AMCA around 2045-2055 (if starts spending billions of USD a year equivalent from today).

 

[angryindian]

Jut went through this video


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FJ25vNCug&t=1735s

If someone like Vishnu Som is sounding the alarm, it means we are in very serious trouble.

Losing our technical edge to Pakistan would severely compromise our national security, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

The problem is further compounded by India’s inability to procure 5th-generation fighters from abroad. The US will not supply the F-35 until India abandons the S-400, and Russia’s production capacity is hampered due to the Ukraine war. Neither is in a position to provide India with fighters on an urgent basis.

Furthermore, Vishnu Som warns that the AMCA, expected in 2035, should meet the technical specifications of 2035, not 2025. In cricketing terms, achieving this is equivalent to a newcomer scoring a century on their debut.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Jut went through this video


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FJ25vNCug&t=1735s

If someone like Vishnu Som is sounding the alarm, it means we are in very serious trouble.

Losing our technical edge to Pakistan would severely compromise our national security, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

The problem is further compounded by India’s inability to procure 5th-generation fighters from abroad. The US will not supply the F-35 until India abandons the S-400, and Russia’s production capacity is hampered due to the Ukraine war. Neither is in a position to provide India with fighters on an urgent basis.

Furthermore, Vishnu Som warns that the AMCA, expected in 2035, should meet the technical specifications of 2035, not 2025. In cricketing terms, achieving this is equivalent to a newcomer scoring a century on their debut.

Nothing new, IAF is screwed up for foreseeable future.

There is no commitment from MoD itself. Government apathy is going on. Every deal is going with scrutiny so Babus can save some 50 cents. At the same time we buy overpriced products without batting an eye.

As of now, UCAF (Ghatak) is still not sanctioned. So don't expect Ghatak anytime before 2030. MWF will be coming only by 2029. Again this depends on how fast HAL is closing GE F414 Deal. MRFA is another clownshow, when we can done the same G2G for Rafales. AMCA being AMCA is highly Dicey bet, we are trying to find an Engine Partner for an 120KN thrust class. Now if the engine partner is not decided, then the program will face scrutiny by IAF itself. (Classic HAL\DRDO overpromise and underdeliver).


Only real thing we can do is to order 97 Tejas MK1A which can support the fleet for few years before we sanctioned something like MRFA (Again I am worried that we may never going to integrate the Indian Weapons in Rafale), where we bite the bullet and order the planes with inflated cost.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Now japan has also some kind of offer on India's search for engine for AMCA .

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Thats interesting... Has there ever been any defence deal with japan so far ? If it happens it ll be something completely new .

India and Japan signed a Memorandum of Implementation (MoI) for the “co-development” of UNICORN (Unified Complex Radio Antenna) mast, a conical structure that houses antennas atop warships increasing their stealth characteristics.

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[redpanda]

Fly AMCA with your rillit Idi egies. should hve

India is incapable of making a TF that comes anywhere near the technology of Amerishart/Britshit engines.

Perhaps in 20-30 years if it pumps vast amounts of money into the project. In 20-30 years US + UK will have moved forward 20-30 years. Remember that when India has its own Indiashit engine for AMCA around 2045-2055 (if starts spending billions of USD a year equivalent from today).

Well here comes the gora dalal with his shelve AMCA. And buy UK/US plane from us crap ig.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Increasing def budget as many people suggest, really wouldn't fix the main problem here, which is, the indecisiveness of our overall military industrial complex, you can look at any project however small gets bogged down in cycle, this that approval.

Furthermore IAF wants World class stuff, while govt can't stop chindigiri and babudom shenanigans. Like I have said this problem isn't just limited to amca, it's everywhere, look at artillery procurement quagmire.

 

[liberalredditor]

Jut went through this video


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FJ25vNCug&t=1735s

If someone like Vishnu Som is sounding the alarm, it means we are in very serious trouble.

Losing our technical edge to Pakistan would severely compromise our national security, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

The problem is further compounded by India’s inability to procure 5th-generation fighters from abroad. The US will not supply the F-35 until India abandons the S-400, and Russia’s production capacity is hampered due to the Ukraine war. Neither is in a position to provide India with fighters on an urgent basis.

Furthermore, Vishnu Som warns that the AMCA, expected in 2035, should meet the technical specifications of 2035, not 2025. In cricketing terms, achieving this is equivalent to a newcomer scoring a century on their debut.

India screwed up all the procurements under defence sector. We should have been getting 1 squadron every year to maintain our squadron strength as our aircrafts already are from baba adam zamana. Jaguar, mig 21 are ancient antiquettes. But we buy through a mega deal way like 36 rafales at 10 billion usd, su30 mki way was the best, even though it was double cost, we were producing it for a long time and we were getting it every year. And not once in 10 years you got 2 squadrons and then retired 10 squadrons

Tejas mk1a was envisioned to give a squadron through bangalore from 2021-22 to 2030s till mk2 arrives and then its production timeline
But burgerica f**ked us hard by not giving engines and hal getting blacklisted by that danish firm and hal not placing orders on time to its subvendors.

army's procurements, uffff, kya hi bolein mashallah. The origin of mars and moon trials for indigenous systems. An artillery gun took 9 years for trials by these commissionkhors, whap ignored as if its some chinese maal. And sss defence guns ignored as if they dont exist.

Naval procurement seems to be alright but they also did some blunders of cost cutting and integrating ancient lanza radars and soviet era rbu 6000

 

[redpanda]

Increasing def budget as many people suggest, really wouldn't fix the main problem here, which is, the indecisiveness of our overall military industrial complex, you can look at any project however small gets bogged down in cycle, this that approval.

Furthermore IAF wants World class stuff, while govt can't stop chindigiri and babudom shenanigans. Like I have said this problem isn't just limited to amca, it's everywhere, look at artillery procurement quagmire.

I would say the problem is there in IAF to begin with. They don't understand the concept of iterative development. They want the best in the world like insta Maggie noodles. Now people might say, they need more squadrons, so we should import here. But let me tell you, have you seen how imports goes on India? It's not just an Indian side issue tbh. Foreign vendors also scam us a lot. Look at the French how many years they have taken to even integrate our weapons. Imports are not quick either. Negotiations always takes it sweet time, then induction, training etc.

IAF babooz never have serious interest in indigenous projects. IN can make things goes it's way then why not IAF? It is simply because a certain section IAF babooz like foreign maal over homegrown stuff. So MoD's lethargy is not a bad thing for them. They will eventually be able to get those sweet sweet imports, which by the time arrives won't be enough lmao. Take example of AWACs, IAF babooz have been very stingy for years when it comes to negotiation with Airbus. Somehow no, seriousness on that front, even though they have audacity to cry at HAL. They are equally responsible for all the mess up we see.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Another thing, Su-57 ain't gonna come quick, Russian will play hardball with access to microsystems and there would probably be interference from chongs.

 

[redpanda]

Another thing, Su-57 ain't gonna come quick, Russian will play hardball with access to microsystems and there would probably be interference from chonga.

It is what it is. We have to deal those problems with whatever we have. Ex-IAF chief's opinion are similar. Even if we get F-35 somehow, it ain't coming before 2032-33, simply because of the way things are going proceed. Anyways Pakistan isn't getting J35 before 2028-30.