AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (24 Viewers)

[Spitfire IX]

Issue is if they keep remaining in this "low risk mindset" they will eventually miss the bus. Some foreign company will just open their own branch here eventually and the government will give them contract. Meanwhile our guys will remain glorified supply chain vendor for them. Government will bail them out if they fumble up most likely.

Sticking to a HAL monopoly is responsible for the lack of assembly expertise in India's industry. GOI policy was simply wrong in my view.

 

[obiwankenobi]

Under no means should HAL be given any participation in AMCA.

They need to deliver 83 TejasMk1A, another 97 TejasMk1A/B, 120+ Tejas MK2. Probably more orders coming for Hawks or future trainer. And the CATS warrior thing. I assure you none of this will be on time. Giving them AMCA will be an exercise in putting more fresh eggs in a basket of rotting eggs.

I would make the following changes to the EOI:

1. Allow recruitment of foreign talent at CEO, CTO other positions.
2. Allow minority participation in consortium by a foreign OEM from a vetted country.
3. Remove this stupid 2000cr a year clause, or allow for participants to count the revenue of other group companies.
4. Make a clause that any participant with a large undelivered order book with delays is disqualified - hence removing HAL.
5. HAL can participate as a Tier 1 vendor or supplier if they have capacity.

We want to have at least 2-3 aerospace majors in the next 10-20 years, this is the only way.

If no private company comes forward, government should create a new Greenfield semi-PSU as an alternative to HAL. Bharat Aerospace or whatever you want to call it.

 

[shade2]

Under no means should HAL be given any participation in AMCA.

They need to deliver 83 TejasMk1A, another 97 TejasMk1A/B, 120+ Tejas MK2. Probably more orders coming for Hawks or future trainer. And the CATS warrior thing. I assure you none of this will be on time. Giving them AMCA will be an exercise in putting more fresh eggs in a basket of rotting eggs.

I would make the following changes to the EOI:

1. Allow recruitment of foreign talent at CEO, CTO other positions.
2. Allow minority participation in consortium by a foreign OEM from a vetted country.
3. Remove this stupid 2000cr a year clause, or allow for participants to count the revenue of other group companies.
4. Make a clause that any participant with a large undelivered order book with delays is disqualified - hence removing HAL.
5. HAL can participate as a Tier 1 vendor or supplier if they have capacity.

We want to have at least 2-3 aerospace majors in the next 10-20 years, this is the only way.

If no private company comes forward, government should create a new Greenfield semi-PSU as an alternative to HAL. Bharat Aerospace or whatever you want to call it.

Whatever they do no deshi conglomerate is touching the AMCA, it's just too risky.

Onlee HAL remains.

The original scheme to make this work was to have some MRFA winner tie up with dhandho to fabricate and assemble the fighter jets here but has not happened.

What govt is asking for is dhandhos setup a whole ass factory and assembly line with all the spending of money it entails for what is and unsupported and unproved project.

If they are serious, better sign a 72 Rafale deal with the Frogs and get TASL to setup a FAL for it, initial production of AMCA can be done by HAL and later TASL or any other dhandho can do the bulk production.