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randombully said:
@rockdog @helin
Any news about "anti ship" varient of df17 and dfzf hgv?
Last I heard was about it being in development in 2019
And first test done in 2023
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No public update, but the recent news were from US side, we don't know it's for fund raising or else.


China could sink entire US carrier fleet in 20 minutes, Pentagon chief warns​

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-co...JfYQ68fWm4h7Wnrp9PoN4tHZ0EDBJszYul692u6dxmzT0

Hegseth: Chinese hypersonic missiles could destroy U.S. carriers in minutes​


www.washingtontimes.com

Hegseth: Chinese hypersonic missiles could destroy U.S. carriers in minutes

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth believes the Chinese military’s hypersonic missiles could sink all U.S. aircraft carriers within the first minutes of a potential conflict.
www.washingtontimes.com www.washingtontimes.com


China can destroy all U.S. aircraft carriers in 20 minutes, Pete Hegseth warns, saying the PLA could devastate the U.S. in no time​

economictimes.indiatimes.com

China can destroy all U.S. aircraft carriers in 20 minutes, Pete Hegseth warns, saying the PLA could devastate the U.S. in no time

Chinas hypersonic missiles could destroy U.S. aircraft carriers in just 20 minutes, warns U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. These advanced weapons present a serious threat to U.S. military dominance. With war games revealing U.S. losses to China, its clear the U.S. must rethink its defense...
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com
 
rockdog said:
No public update, but the recent news were from US side, we don't know it's for fund raising or else.


China could sink entire US carrier fleet in 20 minutes, Pentagon chief warns​

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-co...JfYQ68fWm4h7Wnrp9PoN4tHZ0EDBJszYul692u6dxmzT0

Hegseth: Chinese hypersonic missiles could destroy U.S. carriers in minutes​


www.washingtontimes.com

Hegseth: Chinese hypersonic missiles could destroy U.S. carriers in minutes

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth believes the Chinese military’s hypersonic missiles could sink all U.S. aircraft carriers within the first minutes of a potential conflict.
www.washingtontimes.com www.washingtontimes.com


China can destroy all U.S. aircraft carriers in 20 minutes, Pete Hegseth warns, saying the PLA could devastate the U.S. in no time​

economictimes.indiatimes.com

China can destroy all U.S. aircraft carriers in 20 minutes, Pete Hegseth warns, saying the PLA could devastate the U.S. in no time

Chinas hypersonic missiles could destroy U.S. aircraft carriers in just 20 minutes, warns U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. These advanced weapons present a serious threat to U.S. military dominance. With war games revealing U.S. losses to China, its clear the U.S. must rethink its defense...
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com
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The 1,500-mile-range DF-17 can “be used to strike foreign military bases and fleets in the Western Pacific,” the report said.

"the report said"
" and fleets in western pacific".

It seems report believes anti ship varient is active.
But again, they know from 2019 that varient was in development, as a precaution already assuming the worse is normal for American military personal in war games and when talking about enemy's capability.

Now, it is believable that by 2025 it should be in service when development begin in 2019
But after first test in 2023 no more news of any other test came, and the tests of these types of systems can't be hidden if they do happen.
 
Azaad said:
www.firstpost.com

China's fissile-free hydrogen bomb: Silent detonation that could rewire global security

A hydrogen bomb—thermonuclear by design—that doesn’t require uranium or plutonium; such a weapon of mass destruction could bypass existing nuclear non-proliferation treaties and is a game-changer for rogue states, terrorist organisations, and strategic parity in the Indo-Pacific
www.firstpost.com www.firstpost.com
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In fact,

it is a highly enhanced fuel-air bomb,

that is a thermostatic bomb
 
If Chinese fifth-generation fighter jets were truly as capable as claimed, why isn’t any country buying them? Why is everyone instead choosing the far more expensive F-35?
Although faced delays, I’m 100% confident that the AMCA will be a genuine fifth-generation fighter jet — not a so-called fifth-gen jet like the J-20 or J-35.
 
Ajatshatru said:
If Chinese fifth-generation fighter jets were truly as capable as claimed, why isn’t any country buying them? Why is everyone instead choosing the far more expensive F-35?
Although faced delays, I’m 100% confident that the AMCA will be a genuine fifth-generation fighter jet — not a so-called fifth-gen jet like the J-20 or J-35.
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J-20's are not sold for export. China has never advertised the J-20. This is like what USA did with the F-22. The J-35 has just started serial production. There are rumors that the J-35 have another export partner other than Pakistan. What makes the AMCA a genuine fifth-gen aircraft in which the J-20 and J-35 do not possess? The constant chest thumping of AMCA does not make it better than other fighter jets, cmon. We need more logical thinkers here.

Fighter jet sales have often to do with international politics and relations, more than technological prowess. Buying from China is risky on the international stage as currently, the USA has more leverage and control of the global economy. Not only are fighter jets expensive, they hold political strings. There are not many "Rich" countries that are allied with China, mostly poor backwaters like pakistan. They cannot afford such expensive technology.

It's extremely bad logic to say that more exports = better fighter jet. By your logic Tejas mk1 is worse than JF-17, because JF-17 has more export orders. India has lacked export success in any of it's domestic aircraft, so how can you say that AMCA will be 100% genuine fifth-gen? Where are all the countries lining up to buy AMCA over the F-35?

I'm afraid the Indian defense sphere needs to play less on emotions, and more on practicalities. Downplaying Chinese advances while hyping up Indian advances literally serves no purpose than to please a domestic audience.

When this kind of thinking makes it's way up to the minds of the babus, they start to believe their own propaganda and slows AMCA down even more. I remember when top IAF genrols and chiefs stated that Rafale can easily shoot down chinese junk fifth gen aircraft. With this kind of thinking, why does IAF even need AMCA? Rafales can do the job already.. Due to neglience, strategic programs in Indian defense have been delayed and delayed, due to lack of priority.

If IAF truly wanted strategic autonomy and feared advances of adversaries, Kaveri would've gotten far more funding, I believed more resources could've been allocated to Tejas, and MK2 would already be in service. YET there is no sense of urgency in the government or the military establishment? Do they feel content with their current predicament? Why is progress so slow, it's because they feel safe and do not worry about external threats.

This is exactly the problem that slows down IAF procurement again and again, you people spreading the same narrative over and over, SCREWING OVER THE IAF. :mad:
 
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Kontakt5 said:
J-20's are not sold for export. China has never advertised the J-20. This is like what USA did with the F-22. The J-35 has just started serial production. There are rumors that the J-35 have another export partner other than Pakistan. What makes the AMCA a genuine fifth-gen aircraft in which the J-20 and J-35 do not possess? The constant chest thumping of AMCA does not make it better than other fighter jets, cmon. We need more logical thinkers here.

Fighter jet sales have often to do with international politics and relations, more than technological prowess. Buying from China is risky on the international stage as currently, the USA has more leverage and control of the global economy. Not only are fighter jets expensive, they hold political strings. There are not many "Rich" countries that are allied with China, mostly poor backwaters like pakistan. They cannot afford such expensive technology.

It's extremely bad logic to say that more exports = better fighter jet. By your logic Tejas mk1 is worse than JF-17, because JF-17 has more export orders. India has lacked export success in any of it's domestic aircraft, so how can you say that AMCA will be 100% genuine fifth-gen? Where are all the countries lining up to buy AMCA over the F-35?
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What makes the AMCA a genuine fifth-generation fighter jet is its end user — the Indian Air Force. IAF would never accept a fighter that doesn’t meet its operational standards, especially when it has the option to import jets from anywhere in the world. Unless an indigenous product matches the capabilities of the best global options, Indian Air Force simply won’t accept it.

In the case of Tejas, it is the only fighter jet in the world capable of directly replacing MiG-21. There is no other viable option globally. The hardened shelters built for MiG-21 can only accommodate Tejas — all other modern fighter jets are simply too large to fit into those shelters.
 
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