Chinese Air Force

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[E-195]

This is weapon related thead, u just picked up some random fragments and built your conspiracy theory...

Find some rite place not here and sod off if you failed to contribute any constructive contents and analysis.

Conspiracy theory, once an 11 year old say do not say China wants to use weapons we have these weapons for the boys scouts for peace our leader just makes China strong no build up, your spiritual level is low and Propaganda is your essence

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-says-conveyed-concerns-china-over-hydropower-dam-tibet-2025-01-03/

India says it conveyed concerns to China over hydropower dam in Tibet​

Conspiracy theory we just steal water and show our weapons as threat

CCP troll want us to believe weapons are no threat, he just came to brag about them but as Xi he assures they are for peace

 

[E-195]

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those are estimates, in my opinion it is a bit bigger

 

[rockdog]

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Same concept of NGAD, big plane.

 

[rockdog]

Conspiracy theory, once an 11 year old say do not say China wants to use weapons we have these weapons for the boys scouts for peace our leader just makes China strong no build up, your spiritual level is low and Propaganda is your essence

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-says-conveyed-concerns-china-over-hydropower-dam-tibet-2025-01-03/

India says it conveyed concerns to China over hydropower dam in Tibet​

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Conspiracy theory we just steal water and show our weapons as threat

CCP troll want us to believe weapons are no threat, he just came to brag about them but as Xi he assures they are for peace

Congratulations! U r in stage 5 now.

Now the next thing to keep urself heathy is making ur mental stable.

 

[E-195]

Congratulations! U r in stage 5 now.

Now the next thing to keep urself heathy is making ur mental stable.

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read it you will lose, dream Xi`s dream as Hitler`s 1000 years Reich; China`s empire will last months, you defeat is inevitable, little boy 40 years old and you do not see what is war since you think is a game, but little boy repeats and repeats but Xi`s dream is not shared else where

 

[helin]

read it you will lose, dream Xi`s dream as Hitler`s 1000 years Reich China empire will last months, you defeat is inevitable, lttle boy 40 years old and you do not see what is war since you think is a game, but little boy repeats and repeats but Xi`s dream is not shared else where

The Mexican expert,

This is a thread discussing the Chinese Air Force,

Please do not post anything unrelated to this

 

[E-195]

The Mexican expert,

This is a thread discussing the Chinese Air Force,

Please do not post anything unrelated to this

Chinese expert why China wants J-36? to send Flowers to India? to send love to Taiwan? to educated the Children on Japan about how good is Xi?

Tell me expert what is the use?
love and peace sponsored by the benevolent Mao and Xi

Hypocrite you came to boast about Chinese weapons to the Indians, and now India will need to spend more in weapons hypocrite!

 

[helin]

Chinese expert why China wants J-36?

Ok, this is about the Chinese Air Force. We can discuss it.


why China wants J-36?

Every country wants high-performance fighters.

Whether China, USA, India, Japan, UK, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Turkey,

 

[E-195]

Ok, this is about the Chinese Air Force. We can discuss it.


why China wants J-36?

Every country wants high-performance fighters.

Whether China, USA, India, Japan, UK, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Turkey,

Dodging questions. If china is so peaceful why border disputes you are a hypocrite how many J-36s is China going to sell to India? Hypocrite

 

[helin]

Dodging questions. If china is so peaceful why border disputes you are a hypocrite how many J-36s is China going to sell to India? Hypocrite

This thread does not discuss border peace issues

Your other questions go to the IAF thread

 

[E-195]

This thread does not discuss border peace issues

Your other questions go to the IAF thread

Dodging questions you just are a hypocrite you know these weapons are to give air superiority in combat and support chinese expansionist border policies in few words are tools of the chinese foreign policy

 

[rockdog]

Ok, this is about the Chinese Air Force. We can discuss it.


why China wants J-36?

Every country wants high-performance fighters.

Whether China, USA, India, Japan, UK, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Turkey,

I still remember old days he focused on specific weapon on old forum, even he was wrong, he still got points. Now he only has rant and conspiracy theory left.

 

[helin]

The thermal test of oxyhydrogen rotary detonation rocket was successful

View: https://youtu.be/_WJJF6JSE5E?si=ovdUn4ZvnWcdrMwG

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

PL-17 AAM, dual pulse rocket, 610 Kg, 6m long, 320+/-mm diameter, 300-500 Km range, Mach 4+
PL-15 AAM, dual pulse rocket, 200-230 Kg, 4m long, 203mm diameter, 200-300 Km range, Mach 5+
PL-21 Ramjet AAM, 250 Kg, length unknown, 250-300mm diameter, 300-400 Km range, Mach 4-6
Ramjet Meteor, dual pulse rocket, 190 Kg, 3.65m long, 178mm diameter, 300+/- Km range, Mach 4+
Ramjet Astr-3, dual pulse rocket, 220 Kgm 3.84m long, 200mm diameter, 340Km rangem Mach 6.

So for PL-17, 50% increase in length, 300% increase in weight gives 33-50% more range, not much.

 

[helin]

‘Gift from heaven’: China astronauts develop super niobium alloy for aerospace

An experiment conducted in space has helped Chinese scientists do the impossible – and it could revolutionise aerospace technology.

www.scmp.com

 

[E-195]

The thermal efficiency of a jet engine is typically between 30–50%. Thermal efficiency is the percentage of a fuel's energy that is converted into motion.

11.5 Trends in thermal and propulsive efficiency​

11.5 Trends in thermal and propulsive efficiency
web.mit.edu

I mean a big aircraft with very heavy weight like it seems to be, if the engines are not as advanced as those of NGAD`s. it will require more engines for a given total thrust.

this is basically the same of DC-10 versus A-300, If the engines are less efficient then you need more.

https://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node81.html

I mean we do not need the math simple logic can give the result, but the most likely reason is they are trying to make an aircraft to match what NGAD will do with 2 engines, with 3 engines and if they improve the engines later perhaps even surpass it

 

[E-195]

Low thrust to weight ratio in aircraft like Mirage III, MiG-25 or SR-71 is not a problem to reach mach 2 or Mach 3, the problem is fuel consumption.
MiG-25 has a very low drag airframe, thin wings but it carries a lot of fuel and has a relatively short range, SR-71 has a longer range but carries more fuel.

What does it mean, at max afterburner the J-36 will finish its fuel in few minutes, so what it is theorized (since they do not the engine type) is the 3 engines is to achieve high supersonic speed, this does not make sense, because a third engine also needs more fuel so it means more weight.

So speed is a matter of aerodynamics and thrust

Ye-152M was a very fast aircraft and was powered by a single engine, but range is the problem, a 3rd engine means more fuel and more weight, however a 3rd engine means more payload.

Speed is also a matter of intake design to go faster you need a variable geometry intake, the intakes in J-36 do not suggest Mach 3, but Mach 1.8.

So in my humble opinion they are looking for a high thrust to weigh ratio at a speed of Mach 1.5.

Stability is a problem too, fast aircraft have to be controllable, no vertical fin means unstable aircraft at very high speed


I do not think a very fast delta without any vertical tail will have it easy at mach 3, XF-108 is a close configuration to J-36 but if did have 3 vertical fins to fly fast.

So in my humble opinion i do not think it is for speed, it is for supercruise and carry a big payload for very long range and I doubt the engines are very advanced because the NGAD it supposed to be twin engined

Electricity generation could be another possible reason, but would mean all the engines will be working and fuel will be spent, the engine needs to carry its weight and the fuel it uses, a fixed intake also will reduce static thrust at high speed, In my humble opinion the most likely reason is payload at very long range, more fuel more payload thus more thrust

 

[helin]

The thermal efficiency of a jet engine is typically between 30–50%. Thermal efficiency is the percentage of a fuel's energy that is converted into motion.

11.5 Trends in thermal and propulsive efficiency​

11.5 Trends in thermal and propulsive efficiency
web.mit.edu
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I mean a big aircraft with very heavy weight like it seems to be, if the engines are not as advanced as those of NGAD`s. it will require more engines for a given total thrust.
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this is basically the same of DC-10 versus A-300, If the engines are less efficient then you need more.
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https://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node81.html

I mean we do not need the math simple logic can give the result, but the most likely reason is they are trying to make an aircraft to match what NGAD will do with 2 engines, with 3 engines and if they improve the engines later perhaps even surpass it

The J36 was motivated by the need for a large amount of electricity rather than thrust,

and will be replaced by a variable cycle engine in the future.

 

[helin]

Low thrust to weight ratio in aircraft like Mirage III, MiG-25 or SR-71 is not a problem to reach mach 2 or Mach 3, the problem is fuel consumption.
MiG-25 has a very low drag airframe, thin wings but it carries a lot of fuel and has a relatively short range, SR-71 has a longer range but carries more fuel.

What does it mean, at max afterburner the J-36 will finish its fuel in few minutes, so what it is theorized (since they do not the engine type) is the 3 engines is to achieve high supersonic speed, this does not make sense, because a third engine also needs more fuel so it means more weight.

So speed is a matter of aerodynamics and thrust
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Ye-152M was a very fast aircraft and was powered by a single engine, but range is the problem, a 3rd engine means more fuel and more weight, however a 3rd engine means more payload.
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Speed is also a matter of intake design to go faster you need a variable geometry intake, the intakes in J-36 do not suggest Mach 3, but Mach 1.8.

So in my humble opinion they are looking for a high thrust to weigh ratio at a speed of Mach 1.5.

Stability is a problem too, fast aircraft have to be controllable, no vertical fin means unstable aircraft at very high speed

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I do not think a very fast delta without any vertical tail will have it easy at mach 3, XF-108 is a close configuration to J-36 but if did have 3 vertical fins to fly fast.

So in my humble opinion i do not think it is for speed, it is for supercruise and carry a big payload for very long range and I doubt the engines are very advanced because the NGAD it supposed to be twin engined

Electricity generation could be another possible reason, but would mean all the engines will be working and fuel will be spent, the engine needs to carry its weight and the fuel it uses, a fixed intake also will reduce static thrust at high speed, In my humble opinion the most likely reason is payload at very long range, more fuel more payload thus more thrust

That's right,

The J36 will not be Mach 3