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[srev2004]

(7) Watermonkeys (and waterpigs!)

Both Hanuman and Sun Wukong know how to survive in water, and will never drown.

Moreover, in both stories there is a powerful pig who’s powers in water are extraordinary.

The story of Monkey King has five pilgrims of which Monkey is one, and Pigsy ( Zhū Bājiè 豬八戒 ) is another one. Sun Wukong’s water ability is inferior to that of Pigsy.

Hanuman is not part of a group of five pilgrims, but he does have five faces (panchamukha Hanuman पञ्चमुख हनुमान or panchavaktra) - one of which is a wild pig.

This boar is the Hindu god Varāha वराह who also has superior powers in water. He lifted the earth out of the cosmic ocean and was known as a demon slayer according to the Ayodhya Kanda book of the Ramayana.

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[srev2004]

(8) The bear

In Valmiki’s Ramayana, there is a King of bears named Jambavan जाम्बवान्. Thanks to this bear king, Hanuman is made to remember and realize that he (Hanuman) possesses great yogic powers (siddhis सिद्धि).

In The Journey To The West, the part where the monks try to burn the pilgrims alive, but see their monastery burned instead, is one of the first times we see Sun Wukong use his magical powers during the journey to avert the fire. As the monastery is burned down, a black bear (the black wind demon 黑風怪) comes to steal the fancy monks’ robe (काषाय, kāṣāya) which the greedy monks tried to obtain by attempting to murder the pilgrims. The moral of that story turns out to be that true power and value are to be sought within oneself, and not in external objects (like the cassock).

So the appearance of a bear in both the lore of Hanuman and that of Sun Wukong is linked to awareness of inner powers.

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[srev2004]

(9) self-control

One of Hanuman’s attributes is that he is a brahmachari - an ascetic who voluntarily practices sexual self-restraint.

Sun Wukong is also an epitome of virtuousness when it comes to sexual temptations. During their pilgrimage, the pilgrims are tempted several times, but Sun Wukong never falls for any romantic or sexual temptations.

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(10) Shape shifters

Hanuman has the ability of kāmarūpam, i.e. shapeshifting. Mostly it is used to refer to his yogic powers of shrinking the body to microscopic size (aṇimā) and enlarging the body infinitely (mahimā).

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Sun Wukong also has the ability of transforming, including becoming bigger and becoming as small as an insect.

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[srev2004]

(11) Martial artists with metal staffs
Both Hanuman and Sun Wukong have a magical weapon that can expand or shrink in size. Both are usually depicted with a weapon which is considered a hallmark weapon of the country in which the story arose. In India, that weapon is the Gada, in China that weapon is the staff. And both Hanuman and Sun Wukong wield a heavy metal staff which originally was part of a structure in a palace. Both use their metal staff to fight demons. And both can usually hold their ground even without weapons.

Hanuman’s symbolic weapon is the gada, a blunt mace which is a hallmark weapon of Indian martial arts. Generally, the heavier a mace you could handle, the better of a martial artist you were supposed to be. Hanuman’s mace supposedly weighed multiple tonnes and only he could wield it, implying he was the ultimate martial artist.

In Indian martial arts the heavy maces are also used as exercise equipment for gripth strength and shoulder mobility. Here is a picture of wrestler and strongman Ghulam Mohammad Baksh Butt with such a mace. He has a physique that you rarely see in non-steroid users, yet he was from before the age of steroids. I am including this to emphasize that associating Hanuman with a gada implies that Hanuman is very strong.

However, in the Ramayana Hanuman never actually uses a mace. Like the other Vanaras (forrest dwelling monkey people), he assaults with stones, is an expert in throwing objects, attacks by uprooting and twirling trees, and uses his nails and claws as weapons.
(source: Ramayana, Baala Kanda, sarga 17 & sundara kanda, sarga 44)

Hanuman at some point also fights using an iron rod that originally was a pillar which he lifted out of a structure in the Ashoka garden. Hanuman used that iron staff to kill the demon army of Ravana, and to fight the demon Jambumali.
(source: sundara kanda, sarga 42 and sarga 44)

And this is the perfect point to transition to a very clear parallel with Sun Wukong! It just so happens to be that Sun Wukong’s hallmark weapon is a magical 8.78 tonnes iron staff, which originally served as a pillar-like structure in the palace of the Dragon King!

While the hallmark weapon of Hanuman seems to be his mace, the Ramayana actually suggests the aforementioned iron rod is Hanuman’s true hallmark weapon. And the Ramayana drives home this point by comparing Hanuman and his iron rod, to Garuda and his snake, as Garuda’s hallmark is that he carries a serpent.

That violent Hanuma strolled in the sky, taking that iron rod in his hand, as Garuda the eagle would carrying a serpent in its claws.

- sundara kanda, sarga 42

This is an important parallel between Hanuman and Sun Wukong, as Sun Wukong is generally depicted as a monkey flying through the sky with his hallmark staff (如意金箍棒 Rúyì jīngū bàng, also 定海神针 dìnghǎi shénzhēn).

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TLDR: Both Hanuman and Sun Wukong are devoted, exceptionally strong, borne of wind, immortal, flying, fire-resistant, undrownable, with their eyes opend by a bear, self-controlled, shapeshifting, staff wielding martial artist monkeys.

* I’d be interested to get more suggestions from Bhanu Kiran and Jim R. McClanahan amongst others.

 

[srev2004]

View: https://youtu.be/c4ZiC9Orwvc?si=93J6VxGKZIxu1mqa

 

[srev2004]

It's only a matter of time before India taps into it's vast lore and capitalizes on it similar to China. Except India is home to the original content, unlike China.

 

[Azaad]

So the habit of stealing copy thieving etc is an old *** habit I see . Can't actually blame your lot then for what generations of *** have been doing without any guilt whatsoever.

@rockdog

 

[E-195]

View: https://youtu.be/mcMNXNhhBuE?si=A5tSL8w5qYYsotNP


View: https://youtu.be/IUL-GZVpG5A?si=Z1CcNFW_CI3HX6JD

In real research, if you ever have done it. you now posting your childish videos amount to propaganda.

Again first rule: quality of source

If i find Safran saying Laep engines will be assemble in Queretato, it is better than an opinion, if the Querataro government says Safran will assemble leap engines in 2026 from queretaro means it is true but not true now so to materialize i need to see 2026.

Got it?

So let us go to the same sources but this time BYD

With this range of products, BYD managed to sell 1,123 units, including 350 electric cars sold through Liverpool, which opened the brand's first showroom in June 2023 in the parking lot of the Perisur shopping center.

¿Cuántos autos ha vendido BYD en México? Estos son sus números de ventas

El gigante chino de los vehículos electricos llegó a México con una expectativa ambiciosa, pero ha tendo que hacer algunos ajustes en el camino.

expansion.mx

first source is a magazine from Mexico that quotes Liverpool a BYD`s partner in Mexico for sales in 2023..

Second source

Mexico City, December 21, 2023.- Continuing with its philosophy of providing sustainable mobility solutions, BYD, Build Your Dreams, delivered the first twenty electric units to the Government of Mexico City for Metrobús Line 4; out of a total of 55 that will soon be in operation, and which will replace the initial fleet of buses with combustion engines on the line.

BYD entrega los primeros autobuses eléctricos al Gobierno de la Ciudad de México | BYD México Media Center

La empresa líder en soluciones de movilidad sostenible entregó las primeras 20 unidades de autobuses eléctricos de las 55 destinadas para la Línea 4 del Metrobús.

www.bydmedia.com

This is BYD official page Mexico, it only says 25 buses no more.

BYD plans to sell 150,000 electric cars in Mexico between 2024 and 2025
The Chinese electric vehicle company BYD is analyzing locations

Energía A Debate

Energía a Debate es un espacio de análisis y opinión sobre temas energéticos, líder en el periodismo del sector de la energía en México

energiaadebate.com

third source is magazine

This is a really good source because it claims BYD want to out sell MG motors thte top Chinese seller in Mexico.

However it says plans not sold

got it?

INEGI is offical data

Tabulados Interactivos-Genéricos

Tabulado interactivo que tiene como finalidad dar a conocer al público en general la información estadística, sociodemográfica y del medio ambiente del instituto en un cuadro con selección de variables.

www.inegi.org.mx

BYD, one of the prominent Chinese brands, has introduced at least eight different vehicle models, both combustion and electric, in Mexico. The company has also formed a partnership with Liverpool, a major department store chain, to market its vehicles. However, despite nearly two years of presence in the country, neither BYD nor Liverpool has reported the number of vehicles sold.

AMDA, AMIA Urge Chinese Auto Brands for Sales Transparency

AMDA, AMIA are calling for greater sales transparency from newly established Chinese brands in Mexico

mexicobusiness.news

Here is where I will give a bit of slack, but no dat existe but it is highly unlikely the government does not know since sales pass by banks and customs aka Tariffs, and Mexican customs want money

 

[rockdog]

Hanuman -> WuKong -> Goku.

1. It's complicated, there are Hanuman and also Wuzhiqi

Wuzhiqi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wukong might be a mixed with both, in China southern there were monkey worship for 3000 yrs. But this book is very "late", just 600-800 yrs ago got written.

Sun Wukong (Chinese: 孫悟空, pronounced [swə́n ûkʰʊ́ŋ]), also known as the Monkey King, is a literary and religious figure best known as one of the main characters in the 16th century Chinese novel Journey to the West.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_King#cite_note-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> In the novel, Sun Wukong is a monkey born from a stone who acquires supernatural powers through Taoist practices. After rebelling against heaven, he is imprisoned under a mountain by the Buddha. Five hundred years later, he accompanies the monk Tang Sanzang riding on the White Dragon Horse and two other disciples, Zhu Bajie and Sha Wujing, on a journey to obtain Buddhist sutras from India, known as the West or Western Paradise, where Buddha and his followers dwell.

2. culture communication is always bi-direction, without Tang Sanzang (the only real person in the book of Jornery to the west) (Xuang Zang)'s book:

Records of the Western Regions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even modern Indian didn't know how good was ancient Indian culture was, it's all destroyed by muslim i feel sad.

Which foreign books have a description about Nalanda University?

Answer: Nalanda as a monastic institution in the time of Buddha emerged into the greatest academic and spiritual centre of Asia in the early medieval times. This alludes to successive stages of development in Buddhism from naive realism of the early monastic order to developed metaphysics of the ...

www.quora.com

It's always good to communicate about culture with you @srev2004 , if you like the game i will be happy about it.




But racial attack like this, i will report

So the habit of stealing copy thieving etc is an old Han habit I see . Can't actually blame your lot then for what generations of Han have been doing without any guilt whatsoever.

@rockdog

@haldilal racial attack.

 

[srev2004]

1. It's complicated, there are Hanuman and also Wuzhiqi

Wuzhiqi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wukong might be a mixed with both.






2. culture communication is always bi-direction, without Tang Sanzang (Xuang Zang)'s book:

Records of the Western Regions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even modern Indian didn't know how good was ancient culture was, it's all destroyed by muslim.

Which foreign books have a description about Nalanda University?

Answer: Nalanda as a monastic institution in the time of Buddha emerged into the greatest academic and spiritual centre of Asia in the early medieval times. This alludes to successive stages of development in Buddhism from naive realism of the early monastic order to developed metaphysics of the ...

www.quora.com

I'd like to communicate about culture with you @sr, but racial attack like this, i will


@haldilal racial attack.

Wuzhiqi is nothing like Hanuman.

Hanuman is not an Asura, which is what you are implying by referencing Wuzhiqi. Hanuman is a reincarnation of Shiva. He forgets his powers at birth because he tried to eat the sun and he was stopped by Indra. He is reminded by Jambavan, the king of bears about his powers.

Hanuman is also immortal and is told to be meditating till today.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7qNtLjAa6B0

 

[srev2004]

Hanuman appears in Tibetan Buddhism (southwest China) and Khotanese (west China, central Asia and northern Iran) versions of Ramayana. The Khotanese versions have a Jātaka tales-like theme, but are generally similar to the Hindu texts in the storyline of Hanuman. The Tibetan version is more embellished, and without attempts to reference the Jātakas. Also, in the Tibetan version, novel elements appear such as Hanuman carrying love letters between Rama and Sita, in addition to the Hindu version wherein Rama sends the wedding ring with him as a message to Sita. Further, in the Tibetan version, Rama chides Hanuman for not corresponding with him through letters more often, implying that the monkey-messenger and warrior is a learned being who can read and write.


In Japan, icons of the divine monkey (Saruta Biko), guards temples such as Saru-gami at Hie Shrine.
In the Sri Lankan versions of Ramayana, which are titled after Ravana, the story is less melodramatic than the Indian stories. Many of the legends recounting Hanuman's bravery and innovative ability are found in the Sinhala versions. The stories in which the figures are involved have Buddhist themes, and lack the embedded ethics and values structure according to Hindu dharma. According to Hera Walker, some Sinhalese communities seek the aid of Hanuman through prayers to his mother. In Chinese Buddhist texts, states Arthur Cotterall, myths mention the meeting of the Buddha with Hanuman, as well as Hanuman's great triumphs. According to Rosalind Lefeber, the arrival of Hanuman in East Asian Buddhist texts may trace its roots to the translation of the Ramayana into Chinese and Tibetan in the 6th-century CE.

In both China and Japan, much like in India, there is a lack of a radical divide between humans and animals, with all living beings and nature assumed to be related to humans. There is no exaltation of humans over animals or nature, unlike the Western traditions. A divine monkey has been a part of the historic literature and culture of China and Japan, possibly influenced by the close cultural contact through Buddhist monks and pilgrimage to India over two millennia. For example, the Japanese text Keiranshuyoshu, while presenting its mythology about a divine monkey, that is the theriomorphic Shinto emblem of Hie shrines, describes a flying white monkey that carries a mountain from India to China, then from China to Japan. This story is based on a passage in the Ramayana where the wounded hero asks Hanuman to bring a certain herbal medicine from the Himalayas. As Hanuman does not know the herb he brings the entire mountain for the hero to choose from. By that time a learned medicine man from Lanka discovered the cure and Hanuman brings the mountain back to where he got it from. Many Japanese Shinto shrines and village boundaries, dated from the 8th to the 14th centuries, feature a monkey deity as guardian or intermediary between humans and gods (kami).

The Jātaka tales contain Hanuman-like stories.[86] For example, the Buddha is described as a monkey-king in one of his earlier births in the Mahakapi Jātaka, wherein he as a compassionate monkey suffers and is abused, but who nevertheless continues to follow dharma in helping a human being who is lost and in danger.

 

[rockdog]

Wuzhiqi is nothing like Hanuman.

Hanuman is not an Asura, which is what you are implying by referencing Wuzhiqi. Hanuman is a reincarnation of Shiva. He forgets his powers at birth because he tried to eat the sun and he was stopped by Indra. He is reminded by Jambavan, the king of bears about his powers.

Hanuman is also immortal and is told to be meditating till today.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7qNtLjAa6B0

agree to disagree,

This game is good sign of how world runs. Chinese company, world top5 level sales, western 3D engines, eastern story background.

Enjoy the game.

 

[srev2004]

View: https://youtu.be/2ZK6eyGpaNg?si=n-2kAzv8AWSB1PCL

 

[srev2004]

agree to disagree,

This game is good sign of how world runs. Chinese company, world top5 level sales, western 3D engines, eastern story background.

Enjoy the game.

You didn't really articulate what you disagree about. Can you explain what Tianzhu means?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d9k467pZQ4

 

[srev2004]

What does Tenjiku mean in Japanese?

 

[srev2004]

View: https://youtu.be/XjP23Xlsa0o?si=kEx0jjWk9B1wC_V2

Song: Indian Girl (or Tian Zhu Shao Nv)
Lyricist: Yan Su
Composer: Xu Jingqing
Singer: Li Lingyu

Lyrics:
Oh... Shaliwa, oh... Shaliwa, Hey...ha!...hey...ha!...hey...ha!...
Who brought you to my side
It's the round bright moon bright moon
It's the gurgling spring
It's the gurgling spring
It's the gurgling spring spring
I'm like petals with dewdrops, petals
Attach you sweetly, attach you
Oh... Shao Shao Shaliwa Shaliwa
Oh...Shao Shao Shariwa Shaliwa Hey...ha

Oh...Shariva! Oh...Shariva, Hey...ha!...hey...ha!...hey...ha!...
Who brought you to my side
It's that bright starlight, starlight
It's the bright blue sky
It's the bright blue sky
It's that bright blue sky, blue sky
I would like to use my innocent wish
to love you deeply love you
Oh... Shao Shao Shaliwa Shaliwa
Oh... Shao Shao Shaliwa Shaliwa
Oh... Shao Shao Shaliwa Shaliwa
Oh... Shao Shao Shaliwa Shaliwa!


टीवी श्रृंखला "जर्नी टू द वेस्ट" एपिसोड "तियानझू मेडेन" का गीत वीडियो: भिक्षु तांग, जो प्राचीन भारत में प्रार्थना करने गया था, एक भारतीय राजकुमारी से मिला, जो एक योगिनी का अवतार थी। वह भिक्षु को भारत जाने से रोकने के लिए जबरन उससे शादी करना चाहती थी। यह गाना अविवाहित लड़कियों के पुरुषों के प्रति प्रेम को व्यक्त करता है।

गीत का शीर्षक: भारतीय लड़की (या तियानझू लड़की)
गीतकार: यान झू
संगीतकार: जू जिंगकिंग
मूल गायक: ली लिंग्यु

बोल:
ओह... शालिवा, ओह... शालिवा,
हे...हा!...हे...हा!...हे...हा!...
तुझे मेरी तरफ कौन लाया
यह गोल चमकीला चाँद चमकीला चाँद है
यह गुर्लिंग वसंत है
यह गुर्लिंग वसंत है
यह गुर्लिंग पर्वत वसंत है
मैं ओस की बूंदों, पंखुड़ियों वाली पंखुड़ियों की तरह हूँ
आपको मधुरता से संलग्न करें, आपको संलग्न करें
ओह... शाओ शाओ शालिवा शालिवा
ओह... साओ शाओ शारिवा शालिवा हे...हा

ओह...शरिवा!ओह...शरिवा,
हे...हा!...हे...हा!...हे...हा!...
तुझे मेरी तरफ कौन लाया
यह वह चमकीली तारों की रोशनी है, तारों की रोशनी
चमकीला नीला आकाश है
चमकीला नीला आकाश है
क्या वह चमकीला नीला आकाश, नीला आकाश
मैं अपनी मासूम इच्छा का उपयोग करना चाहूंगा
में तुम्हे बोहोत प्यार करता हु
ओह... शाओ शाओ शालिवा शालिवा
ओह... शाओ शाओ शालिवा शालिवा
ओह... शाओ शाओ शालिवा शालिवा
ओह... शाओ शाओ शालिवा शालिवा!


电视剧《西游记》插曲《天竺少女》歌曲视频：去古印度求取佛经的唐朝和尚，半路上遇到了玉兔精变化的印度公主。玉兔精想强行与唐僧举行婚礼，阻止他去取经。 这首歌表达了未婚少女对男子的爱慕之情。

歌名：天竺少女
作词：阎肃
作曲：许镜清
原唱：李玲玉

歌词：
噢……沙里瓦，噢……沙里瓦，
嘿……哈!……嘿…哈!…嘿…哈!…
是谁送你来到我身边
是那圆圆的明月 明月
是那潺潺的山泉
是那潺潺的山泉
是那潺潺的山泉 山泉
我像那戴着露珠的花瓣 花瓣
甜甜地把你把你依恋 依恋
噢……沙噢沙噢沙里瓦沙里瓦
噢……沙噢沙噢沙里瓦沙里瓦 嘿……哈

噢……沙里瓦!噢……沙里瓦，
嘿……哈!……嘿…哈!…嘿…哈!…
是谁送你来到我身边
是那的璀璨的星光 星光
是那明媚的蓝天
是那明媚的蓝天
是那明媚的蓝天 蓝天
我愿用那充满着纯情的心愿
深深的把你爱怜 爱怜
噢……沙噢沙噢沙里瓦沙里瓦
噢……沙噢沙噢沙里瓦沙里瓦
噢……沙噢沙噢沙里瓦沙里瓦
噢……沙噢沙噢沙里瓦沙里瓦!

 

[srev2004]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYT5oRlNt9M

 

[srev2004]

View: https://youtu.be/nqcZfqO4tqk?si=tGdEPM2nEacR7zQm

 

[srev2004]

Also have you been to Singapura? @rockdog


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzhwjYiPmYM

Sang Nila Utama was a prince from Palembang and is the founder of the Kingdom of Singapura in 1299. His official title adopted upon his coronation was Sri Tri Buana (Sanskrit: श्री त्रि भुवन, romanized: śrī tri bhuvana), which can be translated as "Lord of Three Worlds"; the "Three Worlds" may refer to the three realms of the universe—the heaven of the gods, the world of humans, and the underworld of demons or his lordship over Java, Sumatra and Temasek/Singapura. This title is attested to elsewhere in Southeast Asia.[4]

 

[srev2004]