Chit Chat

[Gurmeet]

I've just pointed out to you there's no SPECIFIC reservation for the upper castes. All such reservations you're referring to is for the general classes including all religions & the OBC , SC & ST can also avail of it if they meet the criteria.

In principle I'm of the opinion reservations should be for the deserving & there should be a cast iron sunset clause which is to say it must be time bound with a creamy layer exclusion.

In any case I'm not for reservations beyond 1/3rd of the total seats.

I don't remember the name of the village per se but it's around 20 kms from the Tibetan border. The reason I say so is we went on horse back for 10 kms to the border where the only reason we were permitted there was because this colleague's cousins & other relatives were in the ITBP & IA.


If upper castes are actually claiming ST status then it's a mockery of the entire process. What more can one say of this phenomenon ?

Sometime the caste which in general in one state gets reduced to st in another.The example of negi caste is well documented it becomes st in himanchal and gen in uttrakhand

 

[Vinod Patter]

There should be no reservation for any one in India except for "Divyang". Reservation should be scrapped if this country want "Vishwaguru" status. Atleast half of Doctors, IAS,IPS etc don't deserve to be in that position.

 

[Anants]

There should be no reservation for any one in India except for "Divyang". Reservation should be scrapped if this country want "Vishwaguru" status. Atleast half of Doctors, IAS,IPS etc don't deserve to be in that position.

Reservation is there in US too called as Afirmative action. But its not as much as of a political weapon in India. ST and SC(excluding families who are in creamy layer for past two generations) should have reservation. All OBC reservation should be simply converted into big reservation for financially backward. I am not saying this should happen immediately but down the line we make slow progress towards this.

But make no religion based reservation is ever permitted.

 

[Vinash]

How is this even logistically possible?

Muslims were 24% in 1947. Tell me again, what is the % of UC H's in India?

Where there is a will, there is a way. If another partition happens due to mullas, in the new country, Bhimtas and LC's will again claim victimhood and leech off UC H's.

I know the possibilities are slim but UC H's should organise as a group irrespective of whether partition happens or not.

 

[Nutcracker]

Muslims were 24% in 1947. Tell me again, what is the % of UC H's in India?

Where there is a will, there is a way. If another partition happens due to mullas, in the new country, Bhimtas and LC's will again claim victimhood and leech off UC H's.

I know the possibilities are slim but UC H's should organise as a group irrespective of whether partition happens or not.

The World must know the pain.

 

[haldilal]

Happy new year chaps.

happy new year

Happy new Year bhailog

Ya'll Nibbiars there's still 2 months for new year if you are following solar calender and 3 months for lunar calender.

 

[Vinod Patter]

Muslims were 24% in 1947. Tell me again, what is the % of UC H's in India?

Where there is a will, there is a way. If another partition happens due to mullas, in the new country, Bhimtas and LC's will again claim victimhood and leech off UC H's.

I know the possibilities are slim but UC H's should organise as a group irrespective of whether partition happens or not.

The most disgusting fact about Bhimtas is that they objectify other caste women.

 

[SKC]

Khatarnak qutiya hai bhai ye. No wonder such people need certificate in evey step of life to be able to outcompete others living in the same area and possibly in worse economic conditions but are not certificate-dharis

What can we do here!!

He was justifying lowering of selection criteria in Police force induction for SC/ST!! He was ok with lowering height requirement to crazy low ~152-155 cm for SC/ST!

I decided not to engage with him any further after that.

 

[Vishnugupt]

Sub humen abrahimic doing what they do the best.


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[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Here's my vision

1.1 Remove every single caste/religion/minority based reservations from all the educational institutions.
1.2 Have a small reservation for specially abled people because even God has betrayed them.
1.3 And as for "reservation" just have one comprehensive, income based "reservation system" like if your income is X, the fee of this course in this college is Y then government would provide you (Y-X)=Z. Have strict measures to prevent anyone from gaming the system by things like forging fake BPL documents.
1.4 Drastically increase the number of education institutions and their quality. Definitely we need good UG and PG colleges but we need exponentially better education system for 1-12th, especially in the hinterlands.
1.5 I don't think most of the kids in Class 1 indulges in Brahmin - Rajput - Chamar bs, so start "indoctrinating" them from that stage only with good quality education and worldview by having good quality free, sarkaari skool. Stop the discrimination at this stage only
1.6 If this works well then when he or she would come out of this system in 12th then they'd have had so much of good education that they can compete easily with everyone based on just their merit without needing any caste based reservation. "Mohan Paswan" who enrolled in class 1 is now just a student who got 87% in CBSE 12th; there's no sign of caste left.
1.7 And in case someone is meritorious but not financially capable then we already have our income based reservation system in place. So doesn't matter if you're a bhutiya or a santhal or a sandilya brahmin...if you're meritorious and can't pay the fee then government would help.
1.8 And if you're not meritorious then why the hell are you not meritorious? When there was free, indiscriminate education from 1-12th with sufficient capacity for every child then still how did you lag!?
1.9 Absolutely no reservations in companies. Maybe a small percentage for veterans or agniveer to encourage people to join military but that's it. Everything on merit.
1.10 Deal with all the caste issues of say a tribe in Chattisgarh by improving infrastructure there, not by reserving seats for them in a college in Bangalore.
1.# Now this one's a bonus, when you'd implement this then multitudes of people would riot, arson, damage public properties for no concrete reasons...simply arrest them, withdraw every single government support (even Aadhar card) and keep them in for few years.

Or

2 We can do this. If the next say CM is OBC then OBC quota increased to 40%. If the one after is SC then now SC quota becomes 40%. And then the CM is ST so now ST is 40%.

So tell me, which one @vin pahadi (kumauni)

agreed with all points...except reservation based on poverty. if a poor already
getting free education untill 12th class, mid day meal, fees grant, scholarship nd some states (like uttarakhand) providing free tablets/laptop/mobile to all poor (income level below 200000) in 10th nd 12th class...beside this if free books, dress nd very low education loans also provided them...than i dont think any poor should be given reservation in colleges nd jobs. if poor student is selecting due to reservation, they already ending merit.

beside this for poors, there r many government schemes to make their life better.

List of Union Government Schemes for Individual in India

List of The Union Government of India schemes which aims to benefit the poor, economically backward & rural individuals by improving the livelihood and providing security for leading a better life.

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[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

What can we do here!!

He was justifying lowering of selection criteria in Police force induction for SC/ST!! He was ok with lowering height requirement to crazy low ~152-155 cm for SC/ST!

I decided not to engage with him any further after that.

lol...u guys r fool. mene kab bola ki SC/ST ki height 152-155 cm kar do?? kuch bhi.
maine bola high altitude uttarakhand ke logo ki height, uttarakhand me other state se aa kr base logo se kam hoti hai. just like as gorkha people in nepal. ye geographical trait hai.
or ye SC/ST ki maang nhi...mostly genral ki demand hai. ja ke pehle is baare me research kr lo, fir baat kro.
tum hi log hote ho, jo pehle SC/ST ko reservation ke liye taane sunate ho, jab genral ke reservation ginane lagte hai, tab ushe poverty ka bahana bana kr justify krte ho...

Uttarakhand’s association of unemployed youths demand age limit relaxation for recruitment in government jobs | Dehradun News - Times of India

Several members of the Uttarakhand Berojgar Sangh (UBS) held a meeting with the officials of the chief minister’s office on Wednesday and sought relax

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[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

What can we do here!!

He was justifying lowering of selection criteria in Police force induction for SC/ST!! He was ok with lowering height requirement to crazy low ~152-155 cm for SC/ST!

I decided not to engage with him any further after that.

Uttarakhand minister questions norms for recruitment of 'Agniveers' into armed forces

Uttarakhand's Tourism Minister Satpal Maharaj has questioned the norms being followed for the recruitment of "Agniveers" into the armed forces in the hill state

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[Ayan Barat]

agreed with all points...except reservation based on poverty. if a poor already
getting free education untill 12th class, mid day meal, fees grant, scholarship nd some states (like uttarakhand) providing free tablets/laptop/mobile to all poor (income level below 200000) in 10th nd 12th class...beside this if free books, dress nd very low education loans also provided them...than i dont think any poor should be given reservation in colleges nd jobs. if poor student is selecting due to reservation, they already ending merit.

beside this for poors, there r many government schemes to make their life better.

List of Union Government Schemes for Individual in India

List of The Union Government of India schemes which aims to benefit the poor, economically backward & rural individuals by improving the livelihood and providing security for leading a better life.

cleartax.in

• from a tribe in the depths of Jharkhand, got free education upto 12th, very brilliant, secured admission in a government college, say even an IIT
• how's he or she going to manage the fee? Even low level NITs can easily get 6 lakhs, add accomodation too
• there's no collateral that his or her parents can use to secure education loan
what to do now?

Also I mentioned additional schools and colleges. So if this much CapEx is happening then there should be something to balance it right. And the most obvious route is hiking the fee.

I know the problems with economical type reservation and how it's extremely easy to game the system and prove you're from EWS. That's why I went to this length in crafting a meticulous system that's more like a scholarship but does the work of reservation.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

• from a tribe in the depths of Jharkhand, got free education upto 12th, very brilliant, secured admission in a government college, say even an IIT
• how's he or she going to manage the fee? Even low level NITs can easily get 6 lakhs, add accomodation too
• there's no collateral that his or her parents can use to secure education loan
what to do now?

Also I mentioned additional schools and colleges. So if this much CapEx is happening then there should be something to balance it right. And the most obvious route is hiking the fee.

I know the problems with economical type reservation and how it's extremely easy to game the system and prove you're from EWS. That's why I went to this length in crafting a meticulous system that's more like a scholarship but does the work of reservation.

i m talking about that kind of scholarship who compensate with high professional courses fees. there r some scholarships for poor, who deal with high fees like engineering. low interest based education loans should be given to middle class.

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[Ayan Barat]

i m talking about that kind of scholarship who compensate with high professional courses fees. there r some scholarships for poor, who deal with high fees like engineering.
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Yup, you're kind of getting my idea

Remove all major caste based reservations and in place of them have one major "Pradhan Mantri, Saalon Ab To Padh Likh Kar Thoda Scientific Temperament Develope Kar Lo Yojna" instead of all these fragmented schemes

 

[SKC]

lol...u guys r fool. mene kab bola ki SC/ST ki height 152-155 cm kar do?? kuch bhi.
maine bola high altitude uttarakhand ke logo ki height, uttarakhand me other state se aa kr base logo se kam hoti hai. just like as gorkha people in nepal. ye geographical trait hai.
or ye SC/ST ki maang nhi...mostly genral ki demand hai. ja ke pehle is baare me research kr lo, fir baat kro.
tum hi log hote ho, jo pehle SC/ST ko reservation ke liye taane sunate ho, jab genral ke reservation ginane lagte hai, tab ushe poverty ka bahana bana kr justify krte ho...

Uttarakhand’s association of unemployed youths demand age limit relaxation for recruitment in government jobs | Dehradun News - Times of India

Several members of the Uttarakhand Berojgar Sangh (UBS) held a meeting with the officials of the chief minister’s office on Wednesday and sought relax

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

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Yes, since God made only you with Brain and rest of us are brainless and not capable of any research and thoughts, there is no point having any debate or discussion with you.​

 

[crazywithmath]

i m talking about that kind of scholarship who compensate with high professional courses fees. there r some scholarships for poor, who deal with high fees like engineering. low interest based education loans should be given to middle class.

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Scholarships for Engineering Students 2024-25 - A Complete List

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I am asking you again. Choose any ONE of the following options (no explanation required; just pick one).

Option 1. You want reservations based on family backgrounds (present system).

Option 2. You want reservations based on family incomes (irrespective of tribe/caste/community affiliations).

Option 3. You want no reservations at all.

Option 4. You want scholarships etc for others (UCs, OBCs etc) but reservations for STs.

Option 5: Something else (please specify).

Do not pick more than one. Thanks.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Yes, since God made only you with Brain and rest of us are brainless and not capable of any research and thoughts, there is no point having any debate or discussion with you.​

lol...agar tumhra argument ye hai ki chote height wale army ya police me bharti hone ke layak nhi...to fir bhai army/police ko bole ki in regiment ko khatam kr de...or ek common height 170 cm sabke liye rakh le. mujhe thodi join hona hai army me, jese tum react kr rahe.
1:- ladhakh squads.
2:- naga regiments.
3:- gorkha regiment.
in teeno me minimum height 157 cm hai.

 

[crazywithmath]

.mostly genral ki demand hai. ja ke pehle is baare me research kr lo, fir baat kro.
tum hi log hote ho, jo pehle SC/ST ko reservation ke liye taane sunate ho, jab genral ke reservation ginane lagte hai, tab ushe poverty ka bahana bana kr justify krte ho...

The ones you are trying to gaslight (muh generols) are NOT a politically organized homogeneous lot. They are not taking out rallies demanding an end to reservation. They are not making political movements asking for a new quota every other week. The large majority has already made peace with it to an extent that 'reservations' aren't even an issue they consider before voting.

At best, a tiny fraction will whine online but that will be it. This same lot is super whiny and complains a lot over a range of other issues too (taxes, QoL etc).

Taking that goodwill for granted and gaslighting them are just cheap antics. Do not do this.

You are comparing some online rants from internet nobodies with actual politically backed movements? Seriously?

 

[SKC]

lol...agar tumhra argument ye hai ki chote height wale army ya police me bharti hone ke layak nhi...to fir bhai army/police ko bole ki in regiment ko khatam kr de...or ek common height 170 cm sabke liye rakh le. mujhe thodi join hona hai army me, jese tum react kr rahe.
1:- ladhakh squads.
2:- naga regiments.
3:- gorkha regiment.
in teeno me minimum height 157 cm hai.

You have some serious problem with comprehension and expressions (specially in English).

As you have been told by other members already, we are not Modi, Army Generals, etc who will make amendments to rules, law and policies.

You mix different things together every time. These are different specialized regiments. You are mixing it with general Police intake.​