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[GaudaNaresh]

And it's the only reason people around me watch Bangladeshi youtube content of the countryside. Both father and mother's side had to relocate to Kolkata as soon as partition was announced. They had massive properties they had to sell for cheap and came over before independence, and the grandparent's generation found good jobs everywhere from BSF to Bengal Chemicals, Postal department, Police service, Civil services etc. We reminisce about our roots while knowing we can't go back, and with the passing years even the desire of visiting becomes dwindled. Now it's infested with overbreeding ungrateful rats who now want the other piece of Bengal too. Whatever culture that was left over there has been further extinguished by 1971. And currently they are busy stamping out what little spec of heritage that remains. After they are done replacing everything with desert cult practices, they'll slowly start throwing out the language as well. Few smart people are left in Dhaka university, my advice to them would be to leave for abroad as soon as they can. Grandparent's generation is almost over, I lost my father 2 years back; whatever sense of attachment we have for East Bengal, ends with my generation.​

My fathers entire side is super Bangal, my mother's entire side (except her moms) side is super Ghoti.
My father's dad side are Bikrompur people, his mom's side are all Borishal people.
My mom's dad's side are all super Ghotis from chandannagore/bordhoman region, while her moms side are all from Rajshahi, who are bangals to the ghotis, ghotis to the other bangals, themselves not happy to be called bangals kinda bongs.

But my dad's dad ended up in Andaman as doctor, where my dad and all his younger siblings grew up and that to a small degree has been a boon to some of us in terms of not being idiot bhodroloks of the hindus who came over from bangbroland

 

[Ayan Barat]

Okay, a genuine question...why the heck everyone is so sad about the current state of Bangladesh?

Malaal karna ho, pareshan hona ho ya zakhmon ko kuredna ho to you Guys already have West Bengal.
From being the France of India in literally every single point of the spectrum, AT THE SAME TIME be it wokeism or nationalism, arts or science, sports or just sleeping in broad daylight, communism or democracy......to now getting reduced to being just idk may be Sitamarhi-Rajshahi of India. Isn't this downfall enough to be sad that you want more trauma?

And if you really want to torment yourselves more then watch some old Bangla movies or listen songs and then do the same for modern ones.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Okay, a genuine question...why the heck everyone is so sad about the current state of Bangladesh?

Akin to being sad over a garden taken over by vermin and pests. Reminiscing is something Bengali are very fond of doing, don't think too hard about it.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Okay, a genuine question...why the heck everyone is so sad about the current state of Bangladesh?

Malaal karna ho, pareshan hona ho ya zakhmon ko kuredna ho to you Guys already have West Bengal.
From being the France of India in literally every single point of the spectrum, AT THE SAME TIME be it wokeism or nationalism, arts or science, sports or just sleeping in broad daylight, communism or democracy......to now getting reduced to being just idk may be Sitamarhi-Rajshahi of India. Isn't this downfall enough to be sad that you want more trauma?

And if you really want to torment yourselves more then watch some old Bangla movies or listen songs and then do the same for modern ones.

Coz remeniscing about how Joy bangla powered entire India to freedom and produced an artistic and scientific output the current bhodroloks are completely incompetent in continuing is all that Bongs have left while the ethnicity is turned into vermin rashtra by too much moozie love.

I for one just want to flood everything south of the ganga main arm and call it a day- east or west of the border.

 

[crazywithmath]

Wasn't it also the case that the lower reaches of Bangladesh were uninhabitable swamps / mangrove forests which were literally drained during the Mughal period & later turning it into cultivable lands with them inviting folks from surrounding areas to share the aborigines there , all of whom were converted & formed part of the lower classes viz peasants , artisans etc ?

Interesting details - wasn't aware of it. Would love to read up more on this. All I know is that, they didn't produce a lot of conquerors/emperors (unlike the west that produced Shashanka, the Palas and the Senas - among others) and that the Brits populated a lot of remote corners of the erstwhile East Bengal with migrant laborers.

Btw this ghoti vs bangal debate is also an old one with both sides claiming they inhabited the better part.

I'm assuming you're a ghoti.

I am of mixed origin (50% ghoti and 50% bangal). My father is a direct descendant of an erstwhile zaminder dynasty appointed by the Maharajas of Krishnanagar - basically as ghoti as it gets. My mother is of Bangal origin.

 

[Roshan]

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[Suryavanshi]

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Is it legit?
I'll donate some

 

[Anants]

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Roshan if the case is genuine then share the UPI ID directly. I dont want to click link and send part of money to platforms. It should directly go to persons account if possible.

 

[Roshan]

Is it legit?
I'll donate some

Yea, a family friend.
It's a very rare disease.

 

[Roshan]

Roshan if the case is genuine then share the UPI ID directly. I dont want to click link and send part of money to platforms. It should directly go to persons account if possible.

Okay, but crowd funding for expensive medical treatments is quite common nowadays. I can vouch for the family as they're close acquaintances. I will still ask and dm you if you're not comfortable.

 

[Anants]

Okay, but crowd funding for expensive medical treatments is quite common nowadays. I can vouch for the family as they're close acquaintances. I will still ask and dm you if you're not comfortable.

Just share UPI ID mate which is listed on their site I'll use that. If you vouch - its enough for me

 

[Yuyutsu]

Okay, but crowd funding for expensive medical treatments is quite common nowadays. I can vouch for the family as they're close acquaintances. I will still ask and dm you if you're not comfortable.

impactGuru is not very trustworthy i have seen some negative reviews of it that they don't pay the whole amount and cut very big pie of total amount. UPI id would be better.

 

[Suryavanshi]

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Done my part

 

[Azaad]

Encounter between a fraud & a milquetoast

Ramdev races with horse to promote Shilajit, Bryan Johnson reacts, gets blocked

'Age-reversing' CEO Bryan Johnson claimed yoga guru Ramdev blocked him from X after he replied to his post with a comment in disagreement.

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[Suryavanshi]

@Azaad

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Thread 'Member driven Indian Defence Industry data aggregation Project.'

Feb 20, 2025

Hello guys as always to upkeep the quality of this forum we have decided to embark into another member driven project.

I was very impressed as to how we were able to salvage data from the previous forum by working together as a team. I have high hopes that we will be able to replicate that zeal and effort in peace times as well

Purpose of this thread?

>we will read financial statements, board meeting, reports of various Indians PSUs and write summary of it here.

For example this...

• Suryavanshi
• data aggregation defence industry member driven
• Replies: 0
• Forum: Defence Industry of India

• 

Can you guide the younglings here. I noticed that you have a knack for writing.

 

[ezsasa]

so tried grok3 a bit today with deep think, very good first impressions from my end. far better than chatgpt for the topics i used it for. i didn't have such a positive feedback with chatgpt when it showed up on the scene.
the ususal topics energy, economy, defence, terrorism , defence equipment and manufacturing etc..

with better prompt and data source , results will be even better i suppose.

 

[ezsasa]

so tried grok3 a bit today with deep think, very good first impressions from my end. far better than chatgpt for the topics i used it for. i didn't have such a positive feedback with chatgpt when it showed up on the scene.
the ususal topics energy, economy, defence, terrorism , defence equipment and manufacturing etc..

with better prompt and data source , results will be even better i suppose.

prompt : calculate the percentage of Indian defence equipment currently in use by source country, interms of design origin, manufacured in, numbers and value. display in a table each for navy, army, airforce and strategic force command.

Calculating the precise percentage of Indian defence equipment currently in use by source country—across design origin, manufactured location, numbers, and value—for the Indian Army, Navy, Air Force, and Strategic Forces Command (SFC) is a complex task due to limited public access to comprehensive and up-to-date inventories. However, I can provide an informed estimation based on available data from recent defence budgets, procurement trends, SIPRI arms transfer data (2019-2023), and known equipment profiles as of February 20, 2025. The analysis will focus on major platforms (e.g., aircraft, tanks, ships, missiles) rather than small arms or consumables, as these dominate value and strategic significance.
Methodology and Assumptions

1. Data Source:
   
   • The 2024-25 defence budget (Rs 6.22 lakh crore, with Rs 1.72 lakh crore for capital expenditure) and SIPRI data on import shares (Russia 36%, France 33%, US 13%, Israel 8%, Germany 4%, Italy 3%) are used as a baseline.
   • Domestic production is estimated at 75% of new procurements (Rs 1.29 lakh crore), with 60% indigenous design (Rs 77,400 crore) and 40% license-produced (Rs 51,600 crore).
   • Historical stock is inferred from known acquisitions over decades, adjusted for depreciation.
2. Design Origin: Refers to the country where the technology or design was developed (e.g., Su-30MKI is Russian design, even if made in India).
3. Manufactured In: Refers to the country of final assembly or production (e.g., Su-30MKI is manufactured in India under license).
4. Numbers: Estimated for major platforms (e.g., aircraft, tanks, ships) based on public inventories. Small arms and minor equipment are excluded due to lack of detailed counts.
5. Value: Estimated using procurement costs from recent contracts, adjusted for historical purchases and inflation. Total value reflects current stock, not just new procurements.
   • Exact numbers and values for current stock are not publicly available in comprehensive detail.
   • Percentages are approximations, reflecting trends rather than precise counts.
   • SFC data is sparse due to its secretive nature (nuclear assets).

Indian Army

• Key Equipment: Tanks (T-90, T-72, Arjun), artillery (Dhanush, ATAGS), helicopters (ALH Dhruv, Apache).
• Stock: ~4,200 tanks, ~3,000 artillery pieces, ~300 helicopters.

• Notes:
  
  • Russia dominates design origin (T-90, T-72: 3,700 tanks). India’s Arjun (125 tanks) and ALH Dhruv boost indigenous share.
  • Most manufacturing is domestic (e.g., T-90 assembled by HVF Avadi), but imports persist (e.g., US Apache helicopters).
  • Value reflects high-cost indigenous projects (e.g., Arjun) and large Russian legacy fleet.

Indian Navy

• Key Equipment: Ships (frigates, destroyers, submarines), aircraft (MiG-29K, P-8I).
• Stock: ~294 vessels, ~70 aircraft.

• Notes:
  
  • India designs many ships (e.g., INS Vikrant, Shivalik-class). Russia (e.g., Talwar-class) and France (Scorpene submarines) contribute significantly.
  • High domestic manufacturing (e.g., Mazagon Dock) drives 80% production share.
  • US P-8I aircraft and French submarines elevate their value share.

Indian Air Force

• Key Equipment: Fighters (Su-30MKI, Rafale, Tejas), helicopters (Chinook, Mi-17), AEW&C (Netra).
• Stock: ~600 aircraft (31 squadrons).

• Notes:
  
  • Russia dominates with Su-30MKI (260 aircraft). France’s Rafale (36) and India’s Tejas (40 delivered) are notable.
  • HAL manufactures most Su-30s and Tejas, boosting India’s production share.
  • High-value Rafale and Su-30 contracts skew value towards Russia and France.

Strategic Forces Command (SFC)

• Key Equipment: Missiles (Agni, Prithvi), nuclear submarines (Arihant), aircraft (Mirage 2000, Jaguar for nuclear delivery).
• Stock: ~150-200 missiles, 1-2 submarines, ~50 aircraft.

• Notes:
  
  • India’s DRDO designs most missiles (Agni, Prithvi) and Arihant-class submarines.
  • Manufacturing is almost entirely domestic (e.g., BDL for missiles).
  • France (Mirage 2000) and Russia (missile tech legacy) have minor roles.

 

[ezsasa]

Calculating the precise percentage of Indian defence equipment currently in use by source country—across design origin, manufactured location, numbers, and value—for the Indian Army, Navy, Air Force, and Strategic Forces Command (SFC) is a complex task due to limited public access to comprehensive and up-to-date inventories. However, I can provide an informed estimation based on available data from recent defence budgets, procurement trends, SIPRI arms transfer data (2019-2023), and known equipment profiles as of February 20, 2025. The analysis will focus on major platforms (e.g., aircraft, tanks, ships, missiles) rather than small arms or consumables, as these dominate value and strategic significance.
Methodology and Assumptions

1. Data Source:
   
   • The 2024-25 defence budget (Rs 6.22 lakh crore, with Rs 1.72 lakh crore for capital expenditure) and SIPRI data on import shares (Russia 36%, France 33%, US 13%, Israel 8%, Germany 4%, Italy 3%) are used as a baseline.
   • Domestic production is estimated at 75% of new procurements (Rs 1.29 lakh crore), with 60% indigenous design (Rs 77,400 crore) and 40% license-produced (Rs 51,600 crore).
   • Historical stock is inferred from known acquisitions over decades, adjusted for depreciation.
2. Design Origin: Refers to the country where the technology or design was developed (e.g., Su-30MKI is Russian design, even if made in India).
3. Manufactured In: Refers to the country of final assembly or production (e.g., Su-30MKI is manufactured in India under license).
4. Numbers: Estimated for major platforms (e.g., aircraft, tanks, ships) based on public inventories. Small arms and minor equipment are excluded due to lack of detailed counts.
5. Value: Estimated using procurement costs from recent contracts, adjusted for historical purchases and inflation. Total value reflects current stock, not just new procurements.
   • Exact numbers and values for current stock are not publicly available in comprehensive detail.
   • Percentages are approximations, reflecting trends rather than precise counts.
   • SFC data is sparse due to its secretive nature (nuclear assets).

Indian Army

• Key Equipment: Tanks (T-90, T-72, Arjun), artillery (Dhanush, ATAGS), helicopters (ALH Dhruv, Apache).
• Stock: ~4,200 tanks, ~3,000 artillery pieces, ~300 helicopters.

View attachment 25671

• Notes:
  
  • Russia dominates design origin (T-90, T-72: 3,700 tanks). India’s Arjun (125 tanks) and ALH Dhruv boost indigenous share.
  • Most manufacturing is domestic (e.g., T-90 assembled by HVF Avadi), but imports persist (e.g., US Apache helicopters).
  • Value reflects high-cost indigenous projects (e.g., Arjun) and large Russian legacy fleet.

Indian Navy

• Key Equipment: Ships (frigates, destroyers, submarines), aircraft (MiG-29K, P-8I).
• Stock: ~294 vessels, ~70 aircraft.

View attachment 25672

• Notes:
  
  • India designs many ships (e.g., INS Vikrant, Shivalik-class). Russia (e.g., Talwar-class) and France (Scorpene submarines) contribute significantly.
  • High domestic manufacturing (e.g., Mazagon Dock) drives 80% production share.
  • US P-8I aircraft and French submarines elevate their value share.

Indian Air Force

• Key Equipment: Fighters (Su-30MKI, Rafale, Tejas), helicopters (Chinook, Mi-17), AEW&C (Netra).
• Stock: ~600 aircraft (31 squadrons).

View attachment 25673

• Notes:
  
  • Russia dominates with Su-30MKI (260 aircraft). France’s Rafale (36) and India’s Tejas (40 delivered) are notable.
  • HAL manufactures most Su-30s and Tejas, boosting India’s production share.
  • High-value Rafale and Su-30 contracts skew value towards Russia and France.

Strategic Forces Command (SFC)

• Key Equipment: Missiles (Agni, Prithvi), nuclear submarines (Arihant), aircraft (Mirage 2000, Jaguar for nuclear delivery).
• Stock: ~150-200 missiles, 1-2 submarines, ~50 aircraft.

View attachment 25675

• Notes:
  
  • India’s DRDO designs most missiles (Agni, Prithvi) and Arihant-class submarines.
  • Manufacturing is almost entirely domestic (e.g., BDL for missiles).
  • France (Mirage 2000) and Russia (missile tech legacy) have minor roles.

contd..
===
Overall Insights

• Design Origin: Russia leads historically (e.g., Army tanks, Air Force fighters), but India’s indigenous designs (e.g., Tejas, Arihant) are growing, especially in SFC and Navy.
• Manufactured In: India dominates production (75% overall), reflecting license production (e.g., Su-30MKI) and indigenous efforts (e.g., INS Vikrant).
• Numbers: Legacy Russian equipment still constitutes the majority in Army and Air Force, while Navy and SFC show stronger Indian numerical presence.
• Value: High-cost platforms (e.g., Rafale, Su-30) keep Russia and France relevant, but India’s investments in indigenous systems (e.g., Tejas, Agni) are significant.

Limitations and Caveats

• Numbers: Exact counts are approximate; small arms and spares are excluded due to data gaps.
• Value: Historical costs are estimated, and depreciation isn’t fully accounted for.
• SFC: Data is speculative due to confidentiality; percentages are weighted towards known indigenous systems.

This analysis aligns with India’s push for self-reliance (Atmanirbhar Bharat), with domestic production and design steadily overtaking historical reliance on Russia, while France and the US gain traction in high-value segments. For precise figures, official Ministry of Defence inventories would be required, which are not publicly available.

 

[Azaad]

@Azaad

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Thread 'Member driven Indian Defence Industry data aggregation Project.'

Feb 20, 2025

Hello guys as always to upkeep the quality of this forum we have decided to embark into another member driven project.

I was very impressed as to how we were able to salvage data from the previous forum by working together as a team. I have high hopes that we will be able to replicate that zeal and effort in peace times as well

Purpose of this thread?

>we will read financial statements, board meeting, reports of various Indians PSUs and write summary of it here.

For example this...

• Suryavanshi
• data aggregation defence industry member driven
• Replies: 0
• Forum: Defence Industry of India

• 

Can you guide the younglings here. I noticed that you have a knack for writing.

I can try but who're the volunteers & what exactly do you have in mind ?

If I've understood you right , you're calling for someone to analyse the financial results & call records of various defence cos whether public or pvt based on which we can aggregate data here for analysis on their various projects & the various stages in development / trial they've reached.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

There's a guy who's doing exactly that on Strat Front . Goes by the handle @marich01 & his twitter handle is @ang3kenny IIRC. He's actually employed as an analyst by some company & enjoys what he's doing.

Lucky Chap !

We tried getting him on to DFI just before it shut down abruptly . @Noob led the initiative & @Aditya Ballal sounded him out on Twitter but he declined the offer. The reason I've mentioned this is Strat Front has little membership or viewership . We can try again . But someone has to take the initiative .

Alternatively we need to develop someone in House for this job . It's practically a full time hobby / profession.

Just FYI.

 

[Ayan Barat]

@Azaad

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Thread 'Member driven Indian Defence Industry data aggregation Project.'

Feb 20, 2025

Hello guys as always to upkeep the quality of this forum we have decided to embark into another member driven project.

I was very impressed as to how we were able to salvage data from the previous forum by working together as a team. I have high hopes that we will be able to replicate that zeal and effort in peace times as well

Purpose of this thread?

>we will read financial statements, board meeting, reports of various Indians PSUs and write summary of it here.

For example this...

• Suryavanshi
• data aggregation defence industry member driven
• Replies: 0
• Forum: Defence Industry of India

• 

Can you guide the younglings here. I noticed that you have a knack for writing.

If I'm getting you correctly then you basically want a thread just like say DRDO thread where instead of "DRDO tests new Nag variant..." you'll have occasional posts likes "BEL released Q3 report, here are quick points..."

I've done these kinds of data extraction/compilation type stuff in vessels and missiles infographics, so can be done. But to be honest the hassle isn't worth the outcome. If someone really wants insight then he already has better tools in the form of things like MoneyControl and what not. AI is also there