Dassault Rafale in Indian Air Force

[BON PLAN]

I literally don't see sense in Rafale at this price point anymore. It's normal fly away price might be around 130M, and MII way would cost us 170M or more. We literally lack force multipliers in dozens of numbers. I don't think IAF has CAPEX for such shopping in next 10 years.

Except russian jets (and chinese), all the (west) fighters, with MII, are in the same price range.

It could be very interesting to have the REAL price of a Tejas and Tejas mk2. You could have a big surprise.

 

[705-Lira]

Except russian jets (and chinese), all the (west) fighters, with MII, are in the same price range.

It could be very interesting to have the REAL price of a Tejas and Tejas mk2. You could have a big surprise.

Based on the 2021 deal, the unit cost of the Tejas Mk1A was $43 million, now factoring in inflation and weakening INR, it would be roughly $50-52 million at most.
Tejas Mk2 should not cost more than $70 million.

 

[randombully]

Based on the 2021 deal, the unit cost of the Tejas Mk1A was $43 million, now factoring in inflation and weakening INR, it would be roughly $50-52 million at most.
Tejas Mk2 should not cost more than $70 million.

It depends on the deal.
We're the weapons bought with tejas? Like bombs, missiles etc, or separate order for these?
We're the spare engines bought along with tejas?
Did the deal include setting up training and infrastructure for mantinence or are they already present?
all these were/will be bought/set up independently of the tejas order.
If we Include these cost in the deal then per unit cost can come close and even cross 100+million dollars.



Now extra cost that foreign jets will always have.

Have to pay extra for integrating indian mission computers, data links, avionics etc,

Have to pay extra to integrate indian weapons, if mission computers and avionics remain foreign like I rafale.

Have to pay extra for tot and opening domestic production line, if we make a deal like su30mki one.

Have to pay extra based on how much % of foreign jet will be domestically manufactured.

 

[BON PLAN]

Based on the 2021 deal, the unit cost of the Tejas Mk1A was $43 million, now factoring in inflation and weakening INR, it would be roughly $50-52 million at most.
Tejas Mk2 should not cost more than $70 million.

This is what iI call the "dry price", ie the price of the bird, alone, at the end of the factory.

In this situation the production price of Rafale C is in the 95 to 100 $ millions. Add 10% Dassault margin it is a 110 $ millions at most.
I assume to say Rafale C is more than 2x more potent than Tejas.

But in the two cases, you have to add air base accomodation, support, spares, tools, test benchs, training, weapons..... To be sure not to compare apple and orange.

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

But in the two cases, you have to add air base accomodation, support, spares, tools, test benchs, training, weapons..... To be sure not to compare apple and orange.

But hal doesn't charge and extort huge profits through this...

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

I was talking about the whole package including weapons , LCC , etc . What was the total cost of the 36 nos Rafales we got ? I think it worked out to ~ 225 million USD all inclusive per FA.

As far as the CAPEX for IAF goes Leaderji should get his priorities right . If he values infrastructure & social spending apart from welfarism over security then that's what he's doing.

Tomorrow when we go up against the Chinese & we end up like we did in 1962 only to be told if only we had the Rafale or any other such other gems hope he doesn't mind being criticized bitterly like chacha is in some quarters (not among the vast majority as he got a stroke & the narrative changed from his gross incompetence to the Chinese betrayed him ) not that he'd have a choice in the matter.

It's high time we better go for our weapons with rafale there is no need to purchase even single french weapon. And if this can't happen and french wont allow us using our mc, weapons then there is much better another option su57 which will cost as much 36 rafale deal.

They are so desperate they have opened ther all cards they literally offered integration of Indian avionics suit maybe refering to super sukhoi. Which is itself much better than overall rafales.

Su57 with super sukhoi upgrade ew avionics suit would be much better choice for iaf as it would cost and army and leg. There would be no need for importing expensive weapons this would drag down cost and would be much more sensible choice than that expensive rafale. Same mission computer as su30 so there wouldn't be much software level work instead integration of weapons inside su57 hard points. The super sukhoi cost will be brought down as well. This is low hanging fruit as already existing su30 manufacturing plant with little modification can roll out su57s. Russians are so desperate they're offering are now making much more sense than it would before.

 

[Nutcracker]

accomodation, support, spares, tools, test benchs, training, weapons..

Everything way cheaper, Domestic suppliers already exist, Full access to mission computer hence no exorbitant demand for Indian weapons integration.

 

[Azaad]

France could open a new Rafale fighter jet assembly line in India to fulfill large-scale contracts

France could open a new Rafale fighter jet assembly line in India to fulfill large-scale contracts

armyrecognition.com

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

Rostec Claims Made-in-India Su-57 Will Undercut F-35A’s $80 Million Price Tag – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Su57+supers sukhoi upgrade with indigeneous weapons rolled out from nasik plant would be much better choice than rafale with whole package costing atleast 250million.
While even if su57 costed 150 million + 80 millions of super sukhoi would be much better choice.
(which wouldn't be 80 millions as many upgrades are like fly by wire)
And now data patterns have unveiled there iteration of virupaksha radar with 2700 tr modules. Which would be great for powerfull su57 (powerfull by electric output)

 

[BON PLAN]

But hal doesn't charge and extort huge profits through this...

But HAL is a lazy company.
During MMRCA1 bargaining, the time to built a Rafale according to HAL was expected to be 2,7 longer than in Dassault factory.

 

[Azaad]

But HAL is a lazy company.
During MMRCA1 bargaining, the time to built a Rafale according to HAL was expected to be 2,7 longer than in Dassault factory.

Daily reminder , le Francais are hell bent on ruining their work culture & entire aerospace mfg ecosystem by tying up with lazy inefficient incompetent " le indien " OEMs.


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1889651336897241542

 

[randombully]

Daily reminder , le Francais are hell bent on ruining their work culture & entire aerospace mfg ecosystem by tying up with lazy inefficient incompetent " le indien " OEMs.


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1889651336897241542

Less has to do with culture.
But you need to set up an efficient ecosystem and production line to churn out fighters at faster rate.
Which takes money and time, and Hal has more conservative nature in this field, not willing to expand to too much and take the risk, tho recently with biulding new tejas lines, and other things, Hal has become relatively more confident and willing to take more bolder steps
Mainly due to having experience and solid orders for tejas already.

Also, at the start of setting up any domestic manufacturing line in the country for foreign jets, initial production rate will always be on the slow side.

 

[BON PLAN]

Daily reminder , le Francais are hell bent on ruining their work culture & entire aerospace mfg ecosystem by tying up with lazy inefficient incompetent " le indien " OEMs.


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1889651336897241542

Always answer in length and breadth about that.

Wake me up when the first fully quality conform component will be delivered.

 

[Azaad]

Always answer in length and breadth about that.

Wake me up when the first fully quality conform component will be delivered.

Evidently SAFRAN thinks so else are you suggesting the former contracted HAL because they've masochistic tendencies ?!