DRDO and PSUs (28 Viewers)

[Anonymous Bharata]

The Kaveri as it exists today is dead . IMO just as the KED is a DERIVATIVE of the original Kaveri TF & NOT the original Kaveri , similarly we'd see a new project launched to realise a TF meeting the original tech specifications of the Tejas which is 55 - 60 KN dry thrust & 85 - 90 KN wet thrust or something as close to the F-404 as possible.

People here ought to sharpen their analytical powers a bit & not react like lay people if they've been regulars on a forum , any forum for a length of time.

Have we spent ~ 2500 cr on the Kaveri just like that only to dump whatever we've achieved & learnt in the process ? If the answer is yes then I've nothing to say .

However if the answer is no , try to probe deeper & read between the lines or headlines in this case & learn to distinguish sensationalism from facts .

Stop taking this Copium DiOxide....it's not good for your health

 

[Azaad]

Stop taking this Copium DiOxide....it's not good for your health

View: https://youtu.be/wLhOsmv7cz8?si=Yng7OD-XTtdnWA_j

Here's the interview . Go thru it. Dr Kamat is only repeating what we already know & has been in the public domain since long.

Anantha Krishna should've pinned him down on whether there is a NEW program to build indigenous TF to power the MK-1a & later the Mk-2 during the MLU. He didn't & the matter was left at that leading to all manner of speculations & negative comments.

 

[Delta Squad]

The Kaveri as it exists today is dead . IMO just as the KED is a DERIVATIVE of the original Kaveri TF & NOT the original Kaveri , similarly we'd see a new project launched to realise a TF meeting the original tech specifications of the Tejas which is 55 - 60 KN dry thrust & 85 - 90 KN wet thrust or something as close to the F-404 as possible.

People here ought to sharpen their analytical powers a bit & not react like lay people if they've been regulars on a forum , any forum for a length of time.

Have we spent ~ 2500 cr on the Kaveri just like that only to dump whatever we've achieved & learnt in the process ? If the answer is yes then I've nothing to say .

However if the answer is no , try to probe deeper & read between the lines or headlines in this case & learn to distinguish sensationalism from facts .

It's similar to the Integrated Guided Missile Development Program. OG IGMDP has been closed long back, but the technologies developed there can be traced even in today's missile projects as per requirements.

Similarly even if "Orginal" Kaveri Program has been closed, through KDE and several future projects the technologies can be further refined. Remember todays Kaveri engine has lot of redesigned components than OG Kaveri that it can be called a new engine all together.

Also Aerospace is designing new afterburner for new KDE, so works on afterburner Kaveri is not still not dead. It's ongoing on a different project.

Yeah, we will not see Tejas flying with Kaveri, but that was kindoff expected.

 

[KarmaWeapon]

View: https://youtu.be/wLhOsmv7cz8?si=Yng7OD-XTtdnWA_j

Here's the interview . Go thru it. Dr Kamat is only repeating what we already know & has been in the public domain since long.

Anantha Krishna should've pinned him down on whether there is a NEW program to build indigenous TF to power the MK-1a & later the Mk-2 during the MLU. He didn't & the matter was left at that leading to all manner of speculations & negative comments.

The thumbnail says it all

 

[liberalredditor]

i heard kaveri for tejas is dead?? Nooooooooooooooo, nahiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, aisa nahi ho sakta, main mar jaunga

i dont feel like living anymore, as if all the joy and happiness is over, i wanted to see tejas and kaveri integrated and flying, but this dogshit south block babus have made it dead, they should be slapped with death sentence, forget the 97 mk1a, you wont get it till 2040.

 

[shade2]

i heard kaveri for tejas is dead?? Nooooooooooooooo, nahiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, aisa nahi ho sakta, main mar jaunga

i dont feel like living anymore, as if all the joy and happiness is over, i wanted to see tejas and kaveri integrated and flying, but this dogshit south block babus have made it dead, they should be slapped with death sentence, forget the 97 mk1a, you wont get it till 2040.

They are making a derivative of it.
You are behaving as if GTRE has been closed down and all files deleted or burnt and equipment sold off

 

[liberalredditor]

They are making a derivative of it.
You are behaving as if GTRE has been closed down and all files deleted or burnt and equipment sold off

i am behaving like this because i wanted to see kaveri on tejas and flying, doing sorties, shooting down those chini burger scums on border with astra, all dreams shattered

 

[Anonymous Bharata]

They are making a derivative of it.
You are behaving as if GTRE has been closed down and all files deleted or burnt and equipment sold off

We shall talk only after Ghatak enters series production with Kaveri, untill then, it's dead

 

[shade2]

i am behaving like this because i wanted to see kaveri on tejas and flying, doing sorties, shooting down those chini burger scums on border with astra, all dreams shattered

We shall talk only after Ghatak enters series production with Kaveri, untill then, it's dead

View: https://x.com/cvkrishnan/status/1939613469873156324

Officially no Kaveri engine for any of the Tejas versions or for even MLUs.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1939651654980452675

What do y'all thing this carrot is for?

Embraer C-390?
Embraer private jet to be used for AWACS?

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/BEL_CorpCom/status/1939655743764041849

Embraer C-390?
Embraer private jet to be used for AWACS?

Us not collaborating with Embraer for building civilian-design military aircrafts is a sham. We'll need tonnes of them for various platforms in future.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://x.com/cvkrishnan/status/1939613469873156324



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That's nonsense. Earlier it was thought the KED would be tested on the Ghatak & certified following which it'd be mated with an AFB & then flight tested aboard an FTB. This would take a good 4-5 years from the commencement of flight testing.

We don't know when will it commence for the Ghatak hasn't received CCS sanction. In between there was some speculation that this being a secret project , it could've received CCS sanction without any public acknowledgement of it. Prima facie it doesn't appear to be so as Ghatak isn't a black project.

Meanwhile , BAPL has already been contacted to develop AFBs which will be mated with the KED. This means they'd be ready to test the KED with AFB TF aboard an FTB much before it's been certified as flight worthy on the Ghatak.

If this isn't the likely scenario what exactly are they going to do with this TF then ? All this news can be verified as it's in the public domain.

 

[Savageking456]

Meanwhile , BAPL has already been contacted to develop AFBs which will be mated with the KED. This means they'd be ready to test the KED with AFB TF aboard an FTB much before it's been certified as flight worthy on the Ghatak

I'm pretty sure someday(soon)you'll see pictures of ghatak ucav if they decide to put it out.
Ccs news was spread by idrw which is very unreliable so I would hold my horse
I told you with my conversation some time ago

 

[Azaad]

I'm pretty sure someday(soon)you'll see pictures of ghatak ucav if they decide to put it out.
Ccs news was spread by idrw which is very unreliable so I would hold my horse
I told you with my conversation some time ago
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Yeah well , neither is Ghatak a mission mode project nor is it a black project which means all such news of CCS clearance must be in the public domain. If it isn't , then it means it hasn't received CCS clearance.

 

[Savageking456]

Yeah well , neither is Ghatak a mission mode project nor is it a black project which means all such news of CCS clearance must be in the public domain. If it isn't , then it means it hasn't received CCS clearance.

Lets see
If it hasn't then PMO is direct culprit because he directly oversees the project
Which would mean modi is not good and he is been misled by his "close friends"

 

[concard]

They need to shut down the Kaveri Engine program. It's not like we didn't learn anything from it's failure or for that matter we are not laying off engineers who worked on it. Since the engine was concieved long ago when we were weak in metallurgy, it's time to design a new engine with a clean slate. The first thing they need to keep in mind while designing the engine is to keep it's weight in check. They should aim for an engine which weighs less than 1000 kgs and it should produce 75 KN dry thrust and 100 KN wet thrust.

M88 weighs just 900 kgs but produces 50 KN dry and 75 KN thrust. Safran is now developing M88 T-Rex by keeping the same weight and size but delivering 20% more thrust. So I think it is possible to build a engine which can weigh <1000 kgs and deliver 100 KN thrust.

Safran unveils higher-thrust version of M88 for future Rafale upgrades

Le Bourget (France), June 17, 2025 At the Paris Air Show, Safran is unveiling the M88 T-REX, an evolution of its M88 engine. Compatible with future standards of the Dassault Aviation Rafale, this ...

www.safran-group.com

DRDO has lot of research on it's hands which it has made in the last few years with respect to metallurgy. It should utilize it and build a engine which can deliver the required thrust. In the mean time, another team should be tasked with building test facilities for high altitude testing. Ideally, bring in experts and convert one of the IL-78 into flying test bed and utilize the old kaveri engine to test it initially.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

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By 2008 itself Kaveri is not going to Power Tejas MK1A. Anyone who is recycling the same news is blackpilling every few months.

Chronology:
1. Kaveri by 2007/2008s decoupled from Tejas Program.
2. By 2010 the engine went for FTB Testing in Russia. Found issues in certain areas like afterburner, flutter etc.
3. By 2014 funding slowed down. Program is in back burner.
4. During the same time period, tried the Gas turbine for Marine Propulsion which does not achieve the benchmark requirements.
5. By 2016, Snecma done an Audit and suggested M88 Core Mating. Also, Snecma appreciated the GTRE for fixing lot of problems like Flutter etc. Audit done but nothing came out.
6. By 2019 an derivative program for Kaveri started called KDE (Non afterburner version) which will power the UCAF (Ghatak).
7. KDE is simply the same Kaveri engine with all its problem fixed. Godrej becomes the production partner who build 9 prototypes.
8. By 2025, KDE engine is ready for UCAF and BAL is building an Afterburner for KDE.
9. Meanwhile in the last 10 years, DMRL, GTRE worked on Single Crystal Blades, Blisks, Blades with cooling channels, new Turbine materials like DMS4, some work on Ceramic Matrix Composites (5th, 6th Gen Techs). But none of these technologies were applied to Kaveri engine.
10. Where we failed, we did not started the next iteration of Jet engines (Next Jet engine) by utilizing the technology we developed in Point 9.


Tejas, Mig integration is for FTB testing is not feasible for simple reason. Those jets cannot carry relevant sensors to monitor the engine. Also, asymmetric thrust on twin engine fighters are difficult to manage. Compared to four engine il-76 where three engines can compensate in case of failures.

 

[jaijaganath]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1939718868433613083

SM shaping speeches of Sec level officials
Our voices are reaching but sadly PMO is not interested in defence related stuffs

 

[Tuco]

By 2008 itself Kaveri is not going to Power Tejas MK1A. Anyone who is recycling the same news is blackpilling every few months.

Chronology:
1. Kaveri by 2007/2008s decoupled from Tejas Program.
2. By 2010 the engine went for FTB Testing in Russia. Found issues in certain areas like afterburner, flutter etc.
3. By 2014 funding slowed down. Program is in back burner.
4. During the same time period, tried the Gas turbine for Marine Propulsion which does not achieve the benchmark requirements.
5. By 2016, Snecma done an Audit and suggested M88 Core Mating. Also, Snecma appreciated the GTRE for fixing lot of problems like Flutter etc. Audit done but nothing came out.
6. By 2019 an derivative program for Kaveri started called KDE (Non afterburner version) which will power the UCAF (Ghatak).
7. KDE is simply the same Kaveri engine with all its problem fixed. Godrej becomes the production partner who build 9 prototypes.
8. By 2025, KDE engine is ready for UCAF and BAL is building an Afterburner for KDE.
9. Meanwhile in the last 10 years, DMRL, GTRE worked on Single Crystal Blades, Blisks, Blades with cooling channels, new Turbine materials like DMS4, some work on Ceramic Matrix Composites (5th, 6th Gen Techs). But none of these technologies were applied to Kaveri engine.
10. Where we failed, we did not started the next iteration of Jet engines (Next Jet engine) by utilizing the technology we developed in Point 9.


Tejas, Mig integration is for FTB testing is not feasible for simple reason. Those jets cannot carry relevant sensors to monitor the engine. Also, asymmetric thrust on twin engine fighters are difficult to manage. Compared to four engine il-76 where three engines can compensate in case of failures.

Nice compilation, exactly it is already known that Kaveri is decoupled from Tejas. Nothing new was told today, nowadays people are constantly in some rage cycle. Yesterday it was about 'political constraints' today Kaveri. Wait untill they again hear of Trishul.

 

[Anonymous Bharata]

That's nonsense. Earlier it was thought the KED would be tested on the Ghatak & certified following which it'd be mated with an AFB & then flight tested aboard an FTB. This would take a good 4-5 years from the commencement of flight testing.

We don't know when will it commence for the Ghatak hasn't received CCS sanction. In between there was some speculation that this being a secret project , it could've received CCS sanction without any public acknowledgement of it. Prima facie it doesn't appear to be so as Ghatak isn't a black project.

Meanwhile , BAPL has already been contacted to develop AFBs which will be mated with the KED. This means they'd be ready to test the KED with AFB TF aboard an FTB much before it's been certified as flight worthy on the Ghatak.

If this isn't the likely scenario what exactly are they going to do with this TF then ? All this news can be verified as it's in the public domain.

What is the official source which says Aerospace is developing the new Afterburner ?? as of now all these are just rumors, stop hyping things, stop prophecizing