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DRDO’s #STAR missile project is being developed to fulfill multi-domain roles across tactical and strategic mission profiles.

- Liquid fuel Ramjet Tech Demonstrator, will be used in future BrahMos variants, long-range AshM, or air-launched strike missiles.

- It will act as a realistic supersonic target for Indian ADS, i.e. Akash/QRSAM, MR-SAM, and Kusha SAMs to test and improve their performance against high-speed threats.

- Long range Anti-AWACS and ARM Variant.

- There’s a strong possibility that the propellant from the STAR program may be repurposed for BrahMos variants, paving the way for greater self-reliance

🟢The missile project has recently entered Phase-III, concentrating on complete system integration and high-level validation.
 

Here's a radical thought 🤔 🤔

How about we scrap Brahmos Aerospace entirely f*ck Brahmos NG, fu*k Brahmos ER.
Let's Make our very own series of actually fully indigenous Supersonic Missiles.

We have accumulated enough know how by now that we can make a Brahmos Equivalent entirely inhouse, so no need to dance on the tunes of the Russians who throw a hissy fit every time things don't go their way and they are unable to suck our blood dry by charging exorbitant prices for simple modifications.

Nevermind that even right now most of Brahmos is imported, most of the indigenous subsystems have only been tested but not been operationalised for one reason or another. (May it be the seeker or the liquid fuel)

Brahmos aerospace was formed in 2001 and we only managed to indigenize it's Solid Rocket Booster less than 5 years back,
It took us 20 fooking years to indigenize a Solid Rocket Booster let that sink in, and don't even for a second think this was due to our own technological deficiency cause it most definitely was not, it was due to a mix of covert importkhori of our beloved generals and Russians leeching us for money and typical DRDO Incompetence and unseriousness towards maximising indigenization (unlike the Chinese)

In my view Brahmos Aerospace has served it's purpose and is now over staying it's welcome.
I don't understand why are we still sharing profits with the Russians and dancing on their tunes.

We need to Replace Brahmos with our own STAR based missiles if not the OG Brahmos then at the very least Brahmos NG should not be allowed to see the light of the day,

our Brahmos NG equivalent should be based on STAR missile and be a 100% Indian missile with 100% of the IP and profits staying in India
It should be produced by BDL and not Brahmos Aerospace
 
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Here's a radical thought 🤔 🤔

How about we scrap Brahmos Aerospace entirely f*ck Brahmos NG, fu*k Brahmos ER.
Let's Make our very own series of actually fully indigenous Supersonic Missiles.

We have accumulated enough know how by now that we can make a Brahmos Equivalent entirely inhouse, so no need to dance on the tunes of the Russians who throw a hissy fit every time things don't go their way and they are unable to suck our blood dry by charging exorbitant prices for simple modifications.

Nevermind that even right now most of Brahmos is imported, most of the indigenous subsystems have only been tested but not been operationalised for one reason or another. (May it be the seeker or the liquid fuel)

Brahmos aerospace was formed in 2001 and we only managed to indigenize it's Solid Rocket Booster less than 5 years back,
It took us 20 fooking years to indigenize a Solid Rocket Booster let that sink in, and don't even for a second think this was due to our own technological deficiency cause it most definitely was not, it was due to a mix of covert importkhori of our beloved generals and Russians leeching us for money and typical DRDO Incompetence and unseriousness towards maximising indigenization (unlike the Chinese)

In my view Brahmos Aerospace has served it's purpose and is now over staying it's welcome.
I don't understand why are we still sharing profits with the Russians and dancing on their tunes.

We need to Replace Brahmos with our own STAR based missiles if not the OG Brahmos then at the very least Brahmos NG should not be allowed to see the light of the day,

our Brahmos NG equivalent should be based on STAR missile and be a 100% Indian missile with 100% of the IP and profits staying in India
It should be produced by BDL and not Brahmos Aerospace

While I agree with you. Brahmos is still useful can't throwaway that infrastructure. It is still a capable missile. Completely scrapping Brahmos Aerospace would be a very bad move from both a military and geopolitical perspective. We can always do something in parallel to it.
 
While I agree with you. Brahmos is still useful can't throwaway that infrastructure. It is still a capable missile
Ofcourse it's a capable Missile and still very useful, I am not asking to throwaway that Infrastructure, I am asking to use that infrastructure to make a fully indigenous non JV Brahmos equivalent missile.
Use the data patterns radar, Solar Industries Solid Rocket Booster and recently developed DRDL fuel to make a brand new missile free from the clutches of the Rooskies and Brahmos Aerospace

Completely scrapping Brahmos Aerospace would be a very bad move from both a military and geopolitical perspective. We can always do something in parallel to it.
I agree that completely scraping Brahmos Aerospace is a bad idea, what I am trying to say is that don't give Brahmos aerospace any more new orders, let the company exist and only serve the function of servicing existing Missiles, don't fund any new Missiles from them like Brahmos 2 or Brahmos NG
 
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idk anything about zircon and brahmos 2, can anyone tell that why is it taking so long for brahmos 2 to come after brahmos 1. are russians reluctant to give zircon tech, is it really so advanced???
if russians were ready to give oniks then what are the issues with zircon
 
idk anything about zircon and brahmos 2, can anyone tell that why is it taking so long for brahmos 2 to come after brahmos 1. are russians reluctant to give zircon tech, is it really so advanced???
if russians were ready to give oniks then what are the issues with zircon
Most likely it doesn't exist.
 
Guys it seems everyone has forgotten Arjun mk1a
It has been 4 years
Dependency on foreign engine can be catastrophic
We need to finish datran no matter how time it takes
We have no option german engines haven't arrived yet
 
Most likely it doesn't exist.
Ruzzian are going to extort us for everything before they agree to it. They are probably coordinating with xinese about it, they will dangle hypersonics in front of the pakis. Of course they are going to chimp out and declare it to the world. We are going to dhoti shiver and pay ruzzians what they want, how they want and when they want to get their help.
 
Guys it seems everyone has forgotten Arjun mk1a
It has been 4 years
Dependency on foreign engine can be catastrophic
We need to finish datran no matter how time it takes
We have no option german engines haven't arrived yet

Drdo has already developed a prototype engine "dartan 1500" . They have been testing it . May be it ll take couple of more years . Don't know why it takes much time .
 
Drdo has already developed a prototype engine "dartan 1500" . They have been testing it . May be it ll take couple of more years . Don't know why it takes much time .
Testing takes time last I heard it was sent to USA for testing as we lack test facilities
Certification will also take alot of time
 
current russian rule and bureaucracy seems to be at an all time high for being anti india and pro china

from the su57 extortion to s400 delivery pending to brahmos 2 stuck and then not giving slots in ftb and hatf for kaveri, too many incidents to prove this
 
Ruzzian are going to extort us for everything before they agree to it. They are probably coordinating with xinese about it, they will dangle hypersonics in front of the pakis. Of course they are going to chimp out and declare it to the world. We are going to dhoti shiver and pay ruzzians what they want, how they want and when they want to get their help.
I posted an interview of pillai sir when russian made lots of noise even during development of brahmos I will post relevent part here

  • During development phase, DRDO tried to track it using radar, but couldnt.
  • Russians were angry that India repurposed what was essentially a ship-to-ship missile into a anti-ship, land attack, air launched, land to ship etc missiles
  • Dr Pillai wanted to build Brahmos into air launched version. Russia demanded $250M and complete workshare, Dr Pillai decided India should do it, to build knowhow and flexibility in design. Russians got angry, Medvedev (Russian president) complained to MMS about Dr Pillai, and threatened to hold up Sukhoi spares. MMS asked Dr Pillai to cooperate with the Russians, for which Dr Pillai refused. A committee was formed to inquire into this matter, but Dr Pillai convinced Shiv Shankar Menon and Air Chief Marshal Browne that doing it in India was important. Then MMS was supportive, and Brahmos aerospace built the air launched version.
  • Dr Pillai says "russians did a lot of things to thwart this"
  • Russians withheld Sukhoi codes and knowhow needed for integration, Brahmos aerospace reverse engineerd what they needed.
 
Most likely this is the Ammo the Article is talking about @Blood+
according to this brochure army is planning to replace it's old ERFB Shell (Those characteristic Nubbed Shells) with Bourrelet Shells not only capable of withstanding higher Chamber Pressure but also allow for enhanced Barrel Life
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Yep, that's definitely it, great find. Plus, a new DPICM round as well.
 
Yep, that's definitely it, great find. Plus, a new DPICM round as well.
As far as I am aware these are all the rounds we are working on, which covers the entire spectrum

Next Gen PCB Shell (Penetration Cum Blast)

HRAP Shell (Hybrid Rocket Assisted Projectile)

Next Gen HE Shell (High Explosive)

Next Gen HE-BB Shell (High Explosive Base Bleed)

Next Gen DPICM Shell (Dual-purpose improved conventional munition) (submunitions)

Next Gen Smoke Shell

Next Gen Illuminating Shell

Ramjet Powered Shell
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Guided Artillery Shell
 
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