DRDO and PSU's

strategic partnership model piece is one we know of that is not finding the right balance for private players to take up big projects, this could be one area.

any other areas within DAP that have come in news lately?
There is also some Foreign OEMs thing where they were not allowed to participate or forced to do Joint Ventures with Indian Vendors. Some Vested Interests are complaining to relax them to make way for Indian Subsidiaries but then that is just impaling oneself with more puppet strings.
 
Hey guys, just wanted to know if do we have any anti stealth tech or any tech to encounter 5th gen fighter or so called chinese 6th gen fighter? Which We can put on LCA 1A, LCA mk2, tedbf or AMCA.

AFAIK, that our missile tech quite mature but not sure about other tech such as radar, electronic warfare etc..

How do we deal with this 5th and coming 6th gen fighter?
 
Hey guys, just wanted to know if do we have any anti stealth tech or any tech to encounter 5th gen fighter or so called chinese 6th gen fighter? Which We can put on LCA 1A, LCA mk2, tedbf or AMCA.

AFAIK, that our missile tech quite mature but not sure about other tech such as radar, electronic warfare etc..

How do we deal with this 5th and coming 6th gen fighter?

Interested in this also however i want to know about ground-based radars, for now we have the S400 system which supposedly can detect stealth jets but idk about our own deshi alternatives
 
Interested in this also however i want to know about ground-based radars, for now we have the S400 system which supposedly can detect stealth jets but idk about our own deshi alternatives
Well, As per public information stealth aircraft detection range mentioned as around 150 km for S400 system but I feel very uncomfortable knowing a stealth aircraft is getting as close to as even 200 km. In today's era it's game over for anybody not just us. That's why S400 is not good enough.

I know that our jet engine will eventually come with required power and thrust and we'll put in good use. I also know that we'll build a good 5th gen aircraft.

What I expect that our hostile neighbour countries (china, Pak and Ban) will deploy mature 5th gen fighter. How do we deal that situation?

I came accross our guys talked about few anti stealth tech but never got to know we are investing anti stealth tech.

Our agencies need to invest their resources on battle strategy, tactics and anti stealth tech. I never came across that they have a plan how to encounter this situation on any public forums... Or may be they have...

Anybody have any ideas?
 
I know that our jet engine will eventually come with required power and thrust and we'll put in good use. I also know that we'll build a good 5th gen aircraft.

Those are 20 years out optimistically speaking, for any near future conflict say 5-10 years we have to Radar and Missile maxxx as much as possible, our missile game is decent but i have no idea about radars.
 
Well, As per public information stealth aircraft detection range mentioned as around 150 km for S400 system but I feel very uncomfortable knowing a stealth aircraft is getting as close to as even 200 km. In today's era it's game over for anybody not just us. That's why S400 is not good enough.

I know that our jet engine will eventually come with required power and thrust and we'll put in good use. I also know that we'll build a good 5th gen aircraft.

What I expect that our hostile neighbour countries (china, Pak and Ban) will deploy mature 5th gen fighter. How do we deal that situation?

I came accross our guys talked about few anti stealth tech but never got to know we are investing anti stealth tech.

Our agencies need to invest their resources on battle strategy, tactics and anti stealth tech. I never came across that they have a plan how to encounter this situation on any public forums... Or may be they have...

Anybody have any ideas?

first let's see if a stealth aircraft is such a threat in the first place.

a stealth aircraft is not invisible to ground radars, it's RCS is reduced than typical aircraft due to it's shape and radar absorbing coating.

these stealth aircrafts are not expected to be used for A2G bombing runs, they are likely to be used to target high value targets like AWACS or air-refuellers with long range a2a missiles. even if some stealth aircraft manages to launch an A2A missile, the incoming missile will still be detected and shot down.

basically in case there are assumptions that stealth tech is some mystery tech, it is not. like any other tech, counter measures and counter tactics will be developed and deployed when necessary.
 
Those are 20 years out optimistically speaking, for any near future conflict say 5-10 years we have to Radar and Missile maxxx as much as possible, our missile game is decent but i have no idea about radars.
20 years... 🤔 Don't think so as we are developing tech in various domains quite fast.

About radar, I believe it's going to be quite interesting to see next 5 years as we'll have some concrete development especially gan based.
 
Well, As per public information stealth aircraft detection range mentioned as around 150 km for S400 system but I feel very uncomfortable knowing a stealth aircraft is getting as close to as even 200 km. In today's era it's game over for anybody not just us. That's why S400 is not good enough.

I know that our jet engine will eventually come with required power and thrust and we'll put in good use. I also know that we'll build a good 5th gen aircraft.

What I expect that our hostile neighbour countries (china, Pak and Ban) will deploy mature 5th gen fighter. How do we deal that situation?

I came accross our guys talked about few anti stealth tech but never got to know we are investing anti stealth tech.

Our agencies need to invest their resources on battle strategy, tactics and anti stealth tech. I never came across that they have a plan how to encounter this situation on any public forums... Or may be they have...

Anybody have any ideas?
firestaterz1 have.


View: https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1872612867884929497 .One of great guy in our Indian defense twitter.
 
first let's see if a stealth aircraft is such a threat in the first place.

a stealth aircraft is not invisible to ground radars, it's RCS is reduced than typical aircraft due to it's shape and radar absorbing coating.

these stealth aircrafts are not expected to be used for A2G bombing runs, they are likely to be used to target high value targets like AWACS or air-refuellers with long range a2a missiles. even if some stealth aircraft manages to launch an A2A missile, the incoming missile will still be detected and shot down.

basically in case there are assumptions that stealth tech is some mystery tech, it is not. like any other tech, counter measures and counter tactics will be developed and deployed when necessary.

I have heard that these stealth jets can be detected by even normal radars but it is hard to keep track of the jets by the current radars, is this true?
 
firestaterz1 have.


View: https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1872612867884929497 .One of great guy in our Indian defense twitter.

@ ezsasa, I agree with you but let's explore on 2nd and 3rd situation mentioned by @firestarter...

2. Fighting A2A with 5th gen aircraft ...
I think we have to pay huge price just to neutralize few 5th gen fighter even with good strategy and tactics. And that is going to be huge disaster for us as people (general public of Bharat) is not ready for it.

That's why I wanted to know are we developing any anti stealth tech if we can develop these tech
... Even our LCA can put up a fight with 5th gen aircraft.

3. Strike from A2G from 5th gen tech.... Let's think the below situation

Some how they got our S400 or our ballistic missiles defence system location and they send a squadron of 5th gen fighter with standoff A2G missile (may be with supersonic or hypersonic) to neutralize our defenses. And they got close to let's say 250 km. Do we have anything to neutralize these missile? Or what do we do in these case?
 
@ ezsasa, I agree with you but let's explore on 2nd and 3rd situation mentioned by @firestarter...

2. Fighting A2A with 5th gen aircraft ...
I think we have to pay huge price just to neutralize few 5th gen fighter even with good strategy and tactics. And that is going to be huge disaster for us as people (general public of Bharat) is not ready for it.

That's why I wanted to know are we developing any anti stealth tech if we can develop these tech
... Even our LCA can put up a fight with 5th gen aircraft.

3. Strike from A2G from 5th gen tech.... Let's think the below situation

Some how they got our S400 or our ballistic missiles defence system location and they send a squadron of 5th gen fighter with standoff A2G missile (may be with supersonic or hypersonic) to neutralize our defenses. And they got close to let's say 250 km. Do we have anything to neutralize these missile? Or what do we do in these case?
That's where our new radars come in.
 
@ ezsasa, I agree with you but let's explore on 2nd and 3rd situation mentioned by @firestarter...

2. Fighting A2A with 5th gen aircraft ...
I think we have to pay huge price just to neutralize few 5th gen fighter even with good strategy and tactics. And that is going to be huge disaster for us as people (general public of Bharat) is not ready for it.

That's why I wanted to know are we developing any anti stealth tech if we can develop these tech
... Even our LCA can put up a fight with 5th gen aircraft.

3. Strike from A2G from 5th gen tech.... Let's think the below situation

Some how they got our S400 or our ballistic missiles defence system location and they send a squadron of 5th gen fighter with standoff A2G missile (may be with supersonic or hypersonic) to neutralize our defenses. And they got close to let's say 250 km. Do we have anything to neutralize these missile? Or what do we do in these case?

on A2A , i'll leave it to other members to opine on. peer to peer 5g fighter combat hasn't happened yet. everyone is speculating on the outcome.

on A2G. in a proper conflict, zero casualty is out of question. casualties will take place.
SAM network is not stand alone, it's a layered network of multiple systems spread across hundreds of km.
in India's case, it's S-400, MRSAM, AKASH, SPYDER, SA-8 placed in layers.

S400 itself is not a standalone system, launchers and radars are placed spread across.

there were some good diagrams of s400 deployment config on old DFI, for now we will make do with this.

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Layered air defence

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some reading material on layered A/D

AIR DEFENCE IS EVERYWHERE
 
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Best way to define a 5th gen Vs 5th gen in A2A is like two enemy snipers a kilometre apart, prone, hidden in foliage. Almost all the gears they've are pretty much same, similar scope, same bolt action rifle with maybe a very small difference in cartridge like one is 338 Lapua Magnum and other's 338 Norma Magnum but they've just a single 5 round magazine each because tbh they need just one.

There are n-number of factors that would decide who's going to kills whom and for most of times these are extremely minute. Like suddenly sunlight gets reflected from one's scope or say a birds starts panicking near one's position.
In rare cases there can be a single piece of tech that can completely change the balance of power like say only one of them has a thermal.
[A technical example in this case would be say a new radar that's in larger wavelength but still somehow manages to generate accurate targetting data]
Things completely flip when we start to think about an A2G scenario with 5th gen fighter. Now it's like a squad of highly trained SEAL type force, with all their gucci gears trying to attack a position held by say a company of regular soldiers.

They'd have a pretty high chance of completing their mission, they'd deal far more damage than typical infantry, would be hard to neutralize them but one thing's for sure to happen...they're going to lose a men or two from their squad. Because multiple positions are firing at them, there are 420 eyeballs looking for their movement in all directions and perhaps most importantly, a company of 120 men have way more ammunition and that too more varied compared to a single squad.
[A technical example in this case would be the term magazine depth, no matter how advanced a 5th gen fighter is it can never match the amount of missiles that can be carried on say five TELs]
 
Well, As per public information stealth aircraft detection range mentioned as around 150 km for S400 system but I feel very uncomfortable knowing a stealth aircraft is getting as close to as even 200 km. In today's era it's game over for anybody not just us. That's why S400 is not good enough.

S400 can detect F35 at 150 km?? Then Syria would be deterring IsAF left and right when the Russians were there and we don't see that happening.

No S400 has no detection with tracking ability against F35 unless its within 40 kms or so and it is too late by then.
 
S400 can detect F35 at 150 km?? Then Syria would be deterring IsAF left and right when the Russians were there and we don't see that happening.

No S400 has no detection with tracking ability against F35 unless its within 40 kms or so and it is too late by then.
Well, I heard firstly Russian moved their assets before war even started.
Secondly, Syrian armed forces compromised long before..
Thirdly, it was a fixed match between involved players in that region.
 

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