Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (34 Viewers)

[Noob_Saibot]

are kejru chacha you dont fear caatsa because you have enough theka to fund your 7 pushtein, but i will have my placement season in 2028 and internship in 2027, i am a single child, father will retire by 2030. i cannot imagine if i dont get a job how will i live

National security is more important than some potential job losses.

No offense but shouldn't you be studying instead of posting on this forum?

Good to have youngsters discussing national security, but proves my point this place is full of teenagers/young adults.

 

[liberalredditor]

National security is more important than some potential job losses.

No offense but shouldn't you be studying instead of posting on this forum?

Good to have youngsters discussing national security, but proves my point this place is full of teenagers/young adults.

well thank you for your suggestion that i should study but rn i have my sem break. and as for "some" job losses. our job market is completely dependent on burgerica, if they impose caatsa, which seems likely because this orangegutka has gone mad with tariff ye tariff wo. it would be a disaster for country where 3-4 lakh engineers graduate every year, then thousands of mba graduates.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

All the geniuses calling this potential purchase 'stupid' are missing the forest for the trees...

Not even talking about the fact that this bird is literally going to be far more capable than anything in our inventory.

What do we propose we do? Sit on our arses hoping for AMCA and engine tech while our enemies leave us behind in terms of capabilities?

We are looking at an earliest optimistic tineline of 2035 for AMCA, while Pakis will get their new birds in 2-3 years.

So we invest billions in more Rafales with their 4th gen tech and do nothing else?

 

[Noob_Saibot]

well thank you for your suggestion that i should study but rn i have my sem break. and as for "some" job losses. our job market is completely dependent on burgerica, if they impose caatsa, which seems likely because this orangegutka has gone mad with tariff ye tariff wo. it would be a disaster for country where 3-4 lakh engineers graduate every year, then thousands of mba graduates.

Fair enough..

There is no guarantee of CAATSA, as we saw with the S400 procurement.

The orange buffoon is going to be gone in 3 years and Republicans are toast.

 

[liberalredditor]

Fair enough..

There is no guarantee of CAATSA, as we saw with the S400 procurement.

The orange buffoon is going to be gone in 3 years and Republicans are toast.

burgerica is like rajasthan, switching rule every elections. dk how will we cruise through the remaining 3 years of this drunk orangutan

 

[Nibbler]

Rafale f4 is a better choice logistics wise, and with so much "india specific enhancements" money with them, they have to integrate all our weapons
su57 would invite caatsa and engine embargo
F35 would invite burgers to control our airforce

If Indian weapons can't be used then no it's not better.

Neither Russia nor French have the industrial Capacity to supply weapons for a protracted war.

Amerisharts do. But they will betray us.

If russians are allowing integration of Indian weapons then good

If not just do whatever is necessary to get the GE engines here.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

burgerica is like rajasthan, switching rule every elections. dk how will we cruise through the remaining 3 years of this drunk orangutan

We react to whatever madness he brings forth .

If we pitch it as a manufacture in India JV instead of a straight purchase, we might escape CAATSA or other sanctions. We also need to emphasize this is a national security issue and there are no viable alternatives to maintain the balance of power..

 

[shade2]

The issue is what to do in response to Pakistan receiving 5G aircraft.

Deploying AMCA is not possible within 10 years
Buying KAAN is out of the question
Buying a Chinese 5G is out of the question
Su-75 will not be available for many years
KF-21 will not be not stealthy except in A2A loadout

Leaving F-35, Su-57 as the candidates

Arguments for and against those 2?

F-35
For
>It's an American wunderwaffe, ze best stealth, weapons, radar you name it

Against
>Read my previous posts on this thread only
>TLDR is it will be a hangar queen because US won't authorize us to use it against Pakis or Ching at our will.
>Pakis also know this so no deterrence there either
>Not even the thought of integrating Indian weapons will be entertained
>You basically have some toys that you have only leased from the US and not own to be used at Airshows and R-day parade fly pasts

Su-57
For
>Literally can't think of anything unless the Ruskals give us some ToT over the new AL-51 engine

Against
>CAATSA
>Delivery will be delayed as with other Ruskal purchases like S400, even if assembled here
>Ruskal will screw us after the ink dries, dancing over deshi weapon integrations etc, there will be runaway cost increases etc
>It is a design derived from Su-27/30 because it would be cheaper to produce, not a true 5th gen FA, that would be the late Mig 1.44 prototype
>Air Marshals rejected it in it's FGFA form.

 

[shade2]

There are articles out dassault are going to manufacture wings as well with TASL in India. French are next level exploiters they have a backlog and sitting on it not loosing a sleep if we go with Su 57 or F35. They know IAF has 36 Rafales which isn’t sufficient and we have already built huge infra for 4 squadrons of rafales. Also navy bought 26 which gives them leverage to charge us as per their will. They will charge exorbitant prices to integrate our weapons eventually after delaying as much as possible or after selling prescribed amount of meteors.

No, they are not some invincible blood suckers, Govt has persuaded them to loosen up.

The Dassault chairman himself didn't want to increase their production capacity to meet the backlog IN FRANCE because his logic was in 5 years when all the orders are done, these new factories will sit idle, then what? he loses moneys.

Now knowing this they agree to let an Indian company build the fuselages of their plane in India.
For a commitment of only 26 additional planes for now.

And these are the biggest weasels, if thing is not in contract they won't move on it.

If our babooze have managed to open this chink in their armor of fuselage manufacturing here without any additional strong commitment of orders they can extract more from the French.

It won't be the carte blanche "put whatever you want on it" like with the Su-30 but as a part of the deal for IAF additional Rafales Astra & Gandiv will surely be integrated.

 

[BON PLAN]

The day I see Rafale being used to trial newer Indian weapons like Rudram, Astra and I will say we dont need SU57

OK.
I'm quitte sur you will see that soon.

 

[BON PLAN]

Why will IAF go for Mig29 or Mig35 when more advanced Su 57 is on offer ? It’s like saying go for Mirage 2000 than Rafale

Because Rafale was in the same league than Mig29/35 for MMRCA, and the russian jet didn't satisfied to tests (and the russian support was found bad).
Su57 can't be compared to Rafale. Su57 is a natural successor to Su30.

 

[darkflame]

well thank you for your suggestion that i should study but rn i have my sem break. and as for "some" job losses. our job market is completely dependent on burgerica, if they impose caatsa, which seems likely because this orangegutka has gone mad with tariff ye tariff wo. it would be a disaster for country where 3-4 lakh engineers graduate every year, then thousands of mba graduates.

Nothing gonna happen even if America imposes caatsa, muricans have sanctioned us in past post pokhran ii with japan also washing it's hand in the flowing ganga. Despite sanctions and a limited war our economy grew very well in early 2000s.

 

[BON PLAN]

The Dassault chairman himself didn't want to increase their production capacity to meet the backlog IN FRANCE because his logic was in 5 years when all the orders are done, these new factories will sit idle, then what? he loses moneys.

Where have you read that ?
the production line will reach 3/month this year, and the supply chain is checked to see how to go forward (the son of a friend of mine is a Dassault purchaser).
If India give a backlog enough to built a line in India, a line will be opened. And if in 5 years Dassault have to shut it OFF because the firm order is too short, it will be integrated in the global price, that's all.

exemple : Indonesia inked the first order in february 2022, but the bank wire only came in september and the contrat is green only when the acount is paid. The first bird will be delivered early next year. ie 40 months. No one can deliver a jet made on order in less than 36 months. Not too bad.

 

[BON PLAN]

There are articles out dassault are going to manufacture wings as well with TASL in India. French are next level exploiters they have a backlog and sitting on it not loosing a sleep if we go with Su 57 or F35. They know IAF has 36 Rafales which isn’t sufficient and we have already built huge infra for 4 squadrons of rafales. Also navy bought 26 which gives them leverage to charge us as per their will. They will charge exorbitant prices to integrate our weapons eventually after delaying as much as possible or after selling prescribed amount of meteors.

Why did you not ink a Mirage 2000-5 deal, with the assembly line 20 years ago?
Why did HAL was so unworkable it was impossible to work with on MMRCA1 ?
Why did you wait so many time to order a second batch, after all the others put firm orders ?

YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE TO BLAME.

And if you don't want the french jets, order some J-10. I'm sure they are on stock and so affordable.

 

[DancingPeacock]

Why did you not ink a Mirage 2000-5 deal, with the assembly line 20 years ago?
Why did HAL was so unworkable it was impossible to work with on MMRCA1 ?
Why did you wait so many time to order a second batch, after all the others put firm orders ?

YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE TO BLAME.

And if you don't want the french jets, order some J-10. I'm sure they are on stock and so affordable.

Majority of the anger towards Dassualt and French isn't about equipment being pricey, its extortion after the deal was locked on, just like Scorpene or Mirage 2000. If your lot has honestly said that we are gonna charge Morbillion Dollars later for some upgrades or repair, and still IAF decides to do randirona then we can blame them.

By the way, has Dassault fulfilled all offsets of Rafale deal?

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

are kejru chacha you dont fear caatsa because you have enough theka to fund your 7 pushtein, but i will have my placement season in 2028 and internship in 2027, i am a single child, father will retire by 2030. i cannot imagine if i dont get a job how will i live

bro IT bubble will going to burst soon or later in india....coz its created by US dollar nd we r seeing danger in US dollar global currency reserve status. so u will see huge job cut in IT sector etc. western citizen already struggling to live nd many doing two time jobs. how will they pay for IT services, when they themself are suffering from basic necessities. u need to make secondary carrier option also. eventually u live, either with good resources or limited resources.
i dont think india care about CAATSA...thats why we purchase S400 nd oil from russia. national security is bigger problem than jobs in india. hope u will not face any problem from these situations. 7 pushtein secure only for millionare nd billionaire family in india.

 

[Spitfire IX]

burgerica is like rajasthan, switching rule every elections. dk how will we cruise through the remaining 3 years of this drunk orangutan

Well, if he brings the American economy to its knees, the Republicans should lose badly in the mid-term elections. If that happens, the knives should be out for Trump. Republican politicians should be more frightened of losing their seats than they are of Trump.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Why did you not ink a Mirage 2000-5 deal, with the assembly line 20 years ago?
Why did HAL was so unworkable it was impossible to work with on MMRCA1 ?
Why did you wait so many time to order a second batch, after all the others put firm orders ?

YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE TO BLAME.

And if you don't want the french jets, order some J-10. I'm sure they are on stock and so affordable.

French have not delivered on offset clause of first batch of Rafales and yet to integrate Astra missiles. Heck there are reports they haven’t even integrated meteors to Indian Rafales hence we didn’t see any of meteor wreckage in Operatiom sindoor and we all know French tot saga in Scorpene submarines.

 

[daya]

Kuchh bhi hai lekin is operation se kam se kam itna to Pakistan samet poori duniya ko pata chal gaya ki ab Bharat ghus kar maar sakta hai aur marega.. Kam se kam pahle ki tarah rone ki aadat to khatam hui aur atom bomb hamare paas bhi hai ka bluff bhi khatam hua..

 

[shade2]

Kuchh bhi hai lekin is operation se kam se kam itna to Pakistan samet poori duniya ko pata chal gaya ki ab Bharat ghus kar maar sakta hai aur marega.. Kam se kam pahle ki tarah rone ki aadat to khatam hui aur atom bomb hamare paas bhi hai ka bluff bhi khatam hua..

Earlier there would be
>sanction threats
>embargoes
>threats of intervention
>7th fleet CBG in Bay of Bengal




During/After Op Sindoor you only had
>"B-b-but 786 Rafaels shot down according to Pentagon Official"
>"Chinese weapons numba wan as per French official"




This is the difference between bhooka nanga and secoolar India of the past and India 2025 under Modi.