DRDO and PSU's

[Ayan Barat]

Now we all are ISI bots.

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1879402142097903626?t=57CLQe17JwENGg5lGMPyTw&s=19

"We supported the Indian Army when they signed deal for SIG 716"
Why? Why didn't you question it?
Like asking for what exact role are they being procured. If indeed for ridgeline-to-ridgeline combat then why there's no LPVO included in the package? Especially when the same OEM has some decent, low cost offerings

"We supported the Indian Army when they signed the deal for AK-203"
Why? Why didn't you question it?
Like asking to justify the need to make 7.62x39mm the standard issue round when it's pretty much obsolete for LSCO. If indeed it was needed then why indigenously developed Trichy Assault Rifle was ignored? Especially when the final AK-203 turned out to be nothing more than just an AK-103M.

Don't know about us being ISI bot (it's been long time since my last contact with Aamna from Aabpara ) but he sure seems to be an anti-national. Because Article 51A clearly mentions having scientific temperament as a fundamental duty which I find him to lack severely...

 

[Corvus Splendens]

But tell me what'll happen if a tiny FPV with shaped charge strikes here?
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Kaboom. Tank is in no way equipped to intercept kinetic threats, let alone suicide FPVs. Tank needs a distributed hard-kill APS, something like Sentinel.

 

[Blood+]

The carousel can store only 12 rounds, 16 if you manage to convince it. Assuming you've atleast 30 rounds [which is quite low as typically it's around 40], 14 of our rounds are in the hull.
Most probably these, besides the driver...
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A FPV carrying a 2.2kg PG-7VL warhead, would easily get a pen of 200mm RHA beyond ERA. If no ERA then 500mm.
In few years PLA would be up-gunning its ICV with 40mm auto-cannons; a pen of 125mm at 3km using APFSDS.

If those are something else then it's fine but if those are indeed additional ammunition then we're cooked.
And by cooked I mean both Merriam-Webster and UrbanDictionary definitions.

Dude, you're preaching to the choir here. I just said that in jest.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1879414178869612582

This company called Solar which makes pinaka rockets and 30mm shells has tested a counter drone system with mini missiles

The mini-missile is called Bhargavastra

EEL's "Bhargavastra" Revolutionizes Counter-Drone Systems - alphadefense.in

Discover Bhargavastra, India's indigenous guided micro-missile system by EEL, designed for affordable, precise counter-drone defense.

alphadefense.in

Not sure if this is the right thread to post this but then again, private sector needs some DRDO inputs so belongs here i guess

 

[Blood+]

Kaboom. Tank is in no way equipped to intercept kinetic threats, let alone suicide FPVs. Tank needs a distributed hard-kill APS, something like Sentinel.
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No, tank needs this thing

 

[Patriots]

Some are defending hal ,for delay in delivery
Some are criticising hal ,for delay in delivery
Mean while hal employee s are doing their normal work ।।।।।

For good mental health avoid these things
Indian aerospace is a new born child z will take time to mature ।।।
Some times you have the airframe ready , but you don't have engines
।।।। Some times you have the engine but no radar ।।

 

[Corvus Splendens]

No, tank needs this thing

The 360 radar will stick out like this, and the radar and gun has to be on the same gimbal, which will severely limit gun elevation angles on that limited turret roof space.

Hard kill distributed APS has much better coverage if you don't have infantry tagging along for cover.

 

[Noob]

Transport by rail, weight, launcher sticking out, CLGM...all are minor issues.

But tell me what'll happen if a tiny FPV with shaped charge strikes here?
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Since I am not from tacnical background I am just asking how good or usefull are FPVs at High altitudes? Or when we talk about high altitude drones from our indian firms how different is it from normal drones?

 

[Blood+]

The 360 radar will stick out like this, and the radar and gun has to be on the same gimbal, which will severely limit gun elevation angles on that limited turret roof space.
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Hard kill distributed APS has much better coverage if you don't have infantry tagging along for cover.

It doesn't have to be, though. You could easily mount those radar panels on the turret surface, (in pretty much the same configuration as that of the Trophy APS) and have the gun slaved to those.

 

[Patriots]

@AdaniDefence
UPDATES
*ULPGM-250 unit orders + 50-70 drone orders for launch, delivery started
*LRGB-After LSP IAF moves case for large order
*NASM-trials underway
*Rudram 1 and 2- trials underway, production mid 2025
*Netra AWACS- Co development partner

 

[Patriots]

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defenc ... 245312.cms

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India has tested its first indigenous micro-missile system designed to take on the threat of swarm drones. Two firings were carried out successfully at Gopalpur Seaward Firing Ranges this week.

Being developed for the Army, the multi-layered system hit designated virtual targets at over 2.5 km, showcasing a unique low-cost option to take on large-scale drone attacks that have become a persistent threat.
....

The system can simultaneously fire more than 64 micro missiles. Being developed by Economic Explosives Ltd, the system will be mounted on a mobile platform for quick deployment to a threat zone. It is designed to operate in all terrains, including high-altitude areas, to meet specific requirements of the armed forces.
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The prevalence of low-cost drones, often used in swarm configurations, has become a major challenge for armed forces that rely on expensive air defence missiles to protect key assets. The key requirement is for a low-cost system that can take down incoming drones, keeping expensive air defence systems for bigger threats.

 

[Ayan Barat]

I am not from technical background

No need to worry...some of the most groundbreaking innovation we see in aerospace and defence were done by people not belonging to that field; from aircraft to anti-jamming tech.

how good or usefull are FPVs at High altitudes?

Pretty useful.

This "high altitude, bad for flight" thing comes from our experience with "clasical" aircrafts like planes and helicopters...not with small FPV drones; these are extremely new stuff compared to the history of aeronautics. Let's compare a helicopter and a FPV and you'll see how one's effected way more by altitude
• Lift
Helicopters rely on large rotor blades to generate lift. When air density is low, the amount of lift generated by the rotor blades decreases significantly because lift is proportional to air density. But small quadcopters rely on direct thrust from high-speed propellers.
• Power-to-Weight Ratio
No matter what the engine is, piston or turboshaft...you need oxygen to generate power in large helicopters. So naturally as the altitude increases the power decreases. In FPVs it's just a solid block of LiPoly battery.
• RPM
In helicopters the RPM is pretty much in 200-400 range because they're optimised for thick, low altitude atmosphere. But even in low altitude atmosphere the propellers of a FPV maintain a crazy 10,000RPM. So with decrease in air density the effects become more noticeable in helicopters.
• Momentum
One of the hardest part of flight is take-off and landing as you've to counter the inertia and it requires more power than normal level flight. As drones have a relatively better PWR, they can overcome this easily buy more importantly you can throw a FPV by hands to overcome this inertia and take-off unlike a helicopter.

tl;dr: allegedly from the same region

View: https://x.com/anshu217/status/1840795557771522274

Or when we talk about high altitude drones from our indian firms how different is it from normal drones?

Most of them are just marketing gimmick, up to a certain extent the drop in operational altitude is so minute that every single drone is a high altitude drone.

Some large drones that are meant to resupply troops are genuinely high altitude capable as they're dealing with a way larger MTOW.

 

[Ayan Barat]

No, tank needs this thing

Meh...

Spoiler: NSFW

 

[shade2]

Meh...

Spoiler: NSFW

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The high-fire-rate & land-lubbing cousin of CRN-91

 

[Blood+]

The high-fire-rate & land-lubbing cousin of CRN-91

You forgot to add THICC!!

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Meh...

Spoiler: NSFW

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You guys are laughing. But having these in the field are actual deterrent. Either the drones will go for these mobile public address towers first, or the drone operators will laugh themselves to death, or crash their drones in the midst of uncontrollable laughter.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/westerncomd_IA/status/1879494435425366041

what a day

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

No, tank needs this thing

The 360 radar will stick out like this, and the radar and gun has to be on the same gimbal, which will severely limit gun elevation angles on that limited turret roof space.
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Hard kill distributed APS has much better coverage if you don't have infantry tagging along for cover.

There can be so many ideas, permutations, suited to differet situations & vehicles.
IMO, every ground vehicle in future will need some kind of APS.
W/o APS, a Tank is just a "Tanki"
Latest MBTS, IFVs have AESA-MMW radar + EO sensors (visible+IR) at their turret level & the APS launcher, RWS (Remote Weapon System) are on top. The design is moving to unmanned turret, shifting the crew in front &/or back.

BTW, since the 1st APS, i've always imagined a TOR like micro-SAM & now with Bhargavstr it could be a reality. It could also be extended to Navy & AF (MSDM/CUDA/SACM like self-defence).

Eventually different types of DEWs might replace or supplement the short range kinetic weapons.

 

[Blood+]

There can be so many ideas, permutations, suited to differet situations & vehicles.
IMO, every ground vehicle in future will need some kind of APS.
W/o APS, a Tank is just a "Tanki"
Latest MBTS, IFVs have AESA-MMW radar + EO sensors (visible+IR) at their turret level & the APS launcher, RWS (Remote Weapon System) are on top. The design is moving to unmanned turret, shifting the crew in front &/or back.

BTW, since the 1st APS, i've always imagined a TOR like micro-SAM & now with Bhargavstr it could be a reality. It could also be extended to Navy & AF (MSDM/CUDA/SACM like self-defence).

Eventually different types of DEWs might replace or supplement the short range kinetic weapons.

While I agree with almost everything you said, I still think, when it comes to drone swarms, an autocannon with air burst ammo will trash any hard-kill APS there is. It's just my opinion. Of course, APS is a must for every other kind of threat an AFV is bound to face on the battlefield, ranging from ATGMs/ RPGs to tank shells.