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BHARAT KA BETA said:
It is really unfortunate for Indigenous Products...but I think Modi GOVT. had no other way to protect itself from heavy Tariffs..as India enjoys a huge Trade surplus with USA ( percentage of trade wise)....just hoping India will be wise enough to not get involved into critical systems like FIGHTER JETS ,( F35/F21/F15).
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Not really, lot of stuff we can buy from US. Even we can take those things from US, which doesn't want to share. It will not kill our industry.

It's like hafta we hv to give to them. So why can't buy top notch tech from them.
 
Ayan Barat said:
In some far planet, revolving around Alpha Centauri-A Indian MIC had shown the spine and intellect to collaborate with Antonov. In this deal Antonov (Ukr) got a good cash injection resulting in them rebuilding after a war and in return India got Antonov (In) whose primary job was to "train the trainer" for R&D and transfer IPRs to local industries.

Because of this collaboration, in current times India has not just managed to bridge the technological gap in fields like engine core and large aircrafts, but also is a global contractor.
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India doesn't really need foreign collaboration to build transport jets. They are way easier to build compared to fighter jets. They don't have to pull high Gs or have to be fitted with most advanced technology.

Engines can be bought directly.

The numbers required were not large enough till now to justify r&d expenses.

But it will become so by the next decade.
Sooner rather than later transport jet plan will emerge.
 
Indianhawk said:
They are way easier to build compared to fighter jets. They don't have to pull high Gs or have to be fitted with most advanced technology.
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Yeeaaahh...kind of; end of the day it's just an unpressurized tube with few engines jerry rigged around it.

So it's definitely true that the stresses are way less but so are the margins of error. No matter whether a few million dollar piston trainer or a fifth generation fighter, as soon as there's a problem you always have the option to GTFO of it. But from a human point of view a non-fighter needs to be way more redundant and carefully designed. So practically, it's more or less the same amount of designing
Indianhawk said:
The numbers required were not large enough till now to justify r&d expenses.
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As for this, I'd like to disagree.

Because you always have the option to make a dual use common platform that can be tailored for both civilian and military market.

Take the example of Airbus 330 and MRTT. Or Boeing 737 and P8 Poseidon.
 
TopWatcher said:
Not really, lot of stuff we can buy from US. Even we can take those things from US, which doesn't want to share. It will not kill our industry.

It's like hafta we hv to give to them. So why can't buy top notch tech from them.
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Your opinion is good, but do you think India is in that kind of a strong situation geopolitically to negotiate with US on India's own terms? To be honest, I don't think so...you have to accept the reality & act to get maximum benefit by proper utilisation of the situation.... TOP NOTCH TECHNOLOGIES like 6TH GEN TECHS, AERO ENGINE TECH, NUCLEAR TECHS, NEXT GEN ELECTRONICS & AVIONICS TECH etc. are NOT AVAILABLE TO US WITHOUT COMPROMISING HEAVILY to USA , only MONEY CAN'T BUY THOSE TO INDIA....How much We speak that World is MULTI-POLAR now, but the TRUTH is WORLD IS GETTING BIPOLAR DAY-BY-DAY with USA in one side & CHINA on the other ....and INDIA can't remain neutral this time Like the COLD-WAR time...yet WE HAVE TO KEEP IT IN MIND THAT IN FUTURE INDIA WILL BE ONE OF THE TOP TWO SUPER-POWERS, hence USA will automatically become a Rival for INDIA....so, we must act accordingly.
 
Indianhawk said:
India doesn't really need foreign collaboration to build transport jets. They are way easier to build compared to fighter jets. They don't have to pull high Gs or have to be fitted with most advanced technology.

Engines can be bought directly.

The numbers required were not large enough till now to justify r&d expenses.

But it will become so by the next decade.
Sooner rather than later transport jet plan will emerge.
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RTA has been pending since mid 2000s IIRC whereas 3 cos of China - Xi'an , AVIC & COMAC have been developing airliners & their analogues in military transporters since the mid 80s as far as COMAC goes in their collaboration with McDonnell Douglas which was greatly responsible for their 90 seater ARJ-21 / COMAC 909.

No prizes for guessing the JV with McDonnell Douglas ended acrimoniously with COMAC retaining the tooling & designs which eventually after several modifications & developments became the ARJ-21 / COMAC 909. Their order book today's ~ 300 nos of which they've delivered half of them .

The other 2 cos have been developing airliners since mid to late 90s along with analogous military transporters in some cases.
 

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😂😂 Sorry to post smileys. But even more sorry to inform that HAL regularly sends bums with half baked products to export. I am serious because I have friends who work for foreign companies and they have seen the caliber of jokers sent. That aside, let me tell you about "European certification of Dhruv" Dhruv has an unsolved fuel leak issue that HAL has not made public. Euro "certificate" says Dhruv is not allowed to fly with passengers or cargo. Fuel leak must be checked before and after every flight. You can check this with the Euro certificate. These are the exceptions made. When IAF is not getting Tejas because of engines, what sort of silly export promise can HAL make?
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This is the reason I've argued many times in the past , HAL needs autonomy in operations & to add to this, clear focus on its charter which can only come with splitting it into 4 separate cos.

Otherwise this union baazi & babooogiri will one day spell the doom of this organization much like MTNL which no longer exists with nobody missing it either & that in the final analysis is the greatest tragedy.
 
Aaj Ka Hero said:
saale bikau log.
This is going to have HF-24 Marut effect in ground forces, how India at that time at the behest of Britishers destroyed it's potential.
This is going to be even bigger though as more capable platform was available.
More apt comparison for this will be how IFV abhay platform potential was destroyed.
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We are on our way to become a vassal state of USA
A perfect slave as usual
 
Aaj Ka Hero said:
saale bikau log.
This is going to have HF-24 Marut effect in ground forces, how India at that time at the behest of Britishers destroyed it's potential.
This is going to be even bigger though as more capable platform was available.
More apt comparison for this will be how IFV abhay platform potential was destroyed.
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Bhai aisa hai, we can't fight them directly.

So in someway we have to engage them, do you think just making joint statement things will work.

What about nucleur joint statement ? does any US nucleur reacter came to India.

These are the ways to engage them and delay things. F-35 (what ever) do u think US will give us.

Dont forget, we earn many things from US and our big export to US. So be calm, agar 10-20 item aa bhi jayenge usse kuch nahin hone wala...CAPF ko de diya jayenga
 
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Ayan Barat said:
In some far planet, revolving around Alpha Centauri-A Indian MIC had shown the spine and intellect to collaborate with Antonov. In this deal Antonov (Ukr) got a good cash injection resulting in them rebuilding after a war and in return India got Antonov (In) whose primary job was to "train the trainer" for R&D and transfer IPRs to local industries.

Because of this collaboration, in current times India has not just managed to bridge the technological gap in fields like engine core and large aircrafts, but also is a global contractor.
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There are tons of missed opportunities if we dig it will be very depressing, our babus will be babus
 
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