Failed Terrorist Beggar State of Pakistan: Idiotic Musings (34 Viewers)

THE federal government’s proposal to revive the jirga system in the newly merged districts is being seen as a prelude to the restoration of the former tribal agencies’ semi-autonomous status. There may not be any specific plan on the table yet to revert to the old order, but the prime minister’s decision to form a committee headed by the Federal Minister for Kashmir Affairs and Gilgit-Baltistan to look into the matter has raised serious concerns.
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BTW FATA's demerger from KP was TTP's primary demand, now Porki army is mulling over the same.
 
shade2 said:
Every Indian e-lashkar lives inside the country and does his patriotic keyboard warring.
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FalconSlayers said:
Can't convince me otherwise that this isn't widespread mental illness, but then again this shithole's rate of inbreeding is 50% higher than it's rate of literacy :lol:

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Who would win.

10000 words from 50 braying pedostanis
V/S
3 ebhil Hindu baniyas silently burning green porky blood by their profile pictures.
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Death by a thousand cuts. Situation in NW porkilund is slowly getting out of hand. Munir planning ZarbeAzb 2.0. It won't succeed because a) local mango porkies are strongly anti military unlike 2014, b) TTP have cross border Af support cuz Af govt is TTP :) c) Munir is no Raheel Sharif

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Imaxxx said:
Death by a thousand cuts. Situation in NW porkilund is slowly getting out of hand. Munir planning ZarbeAzb 2.0. It won't succeed because a) local mango porkies are strongly anti military unlike 2014, b) TTP have cross border Af support cuz Af govt is TTP :) c) Munir is no Raheel Sharif

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Agree on all points except Munir is no Raheel Sharif, IMO they are both overhyped but Munir is much more pretentious, ambitious and impatient.
 
VayuSena​

The Kargil-II Incident​

[v1.1][14.Nov.2009][© VayuSena]​

Introduction

The year 2002 was witness to a full mobilisation by the Indian Army post the high profile terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament on 13th Dec 2001. Pakistan Army also mobilised in response. Amidst these tensions the two forces regularly attacked each at the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K). Most of these firings were minor skirmishes resulting in no loss of life; indeed artillery and small arms fire had been regular occurrence for several years. However, in one event the Indian Air Force (IAF) was called upon to bombard Pakistani troops. The battle leading to eviction of Pakistani intruders was euphemistically called “Kargil-II” in the popular media owing to the outward similarities of the operation to the Kargil War in 1999.
The Operation

The intrusion was detected on 26th July when a patrol by Sikh LI was ambushed leading to 3 deaths. Per other reports the intrusion was detected by a UAV. The Indian Army responded with 155 mm fire FH-77B ‘Bofors’ howitzers and mortars on the feature from three sides. Mi-17s flew in special forces. In the counter bombardment from Pakistani artillery 11 Indian soldiers belonging to Sikh LI and attached Ladakh Scouts troops lost their lives. Post the initial clashes the Army raised a request to the IAF for support. The IAF in turn sought prior approval from the Defence Minister.

On 2nd August [C], a multi ship formation of Mirage-2000s from the 7 Sqn “Battleaxes” went airborne with precision guided munitions on board. Time on Target: 1315 hrs.

As many as 8-12 Mirage-2000s were involved in the mission, which was led by the CO 7 Squadron - Wg Cdr Rajesh Kumar with four arriving on the target. Wg Cdr Kumar dropped the first 1000 pound bomb followed by other aircraft. The air attack was defended against by SAMs.

The Indian Army was able to recapture the post after the attack destroyed Pakistani positions. To recognition of his actions Wg Cdr Rajesh Kumar was awarded the Vayu Sena Medal (Gallantry) in 2003. The CO of the Sikh LI Bn, Colonel V.K. Malhotra was removed from command but was cleared of all charges in the following inquiry.

Pakistan losses added to 28 deaths in the operation.

Battle in Gultari?

In a press conference on 23rd August 2002, PA public relations officer Major General Rashid Quereshi, known for dishonest statements since the Kargil War, alledged that the IAF had attacked forward Pakistani posts in Gultari area in support of the Indian Army on night of 22nd/23rd. It was claimed that the PA had retaliated in defence leading to death of Indian troops. The Indian Army completely denied the whole affair and furnished that no casualties had occurred in that timeframe. The claim coincided with the visit of a senior American diplomat Richard Armitage to Pakistan, and hence is thought to be fabricated and not related to the Loonda post incident. Possibly the bogey was raised to pre-empt any such plans by the Indian armed forces?

It is not clear as to why there was no such claim from the Pakistani side during the actual battle in Machal. It can be speculated that since it would mean admission of defeat, Pakistani sources did not reveal it. Secondly, the Pakistani claim would have been untenable given the sanctity the marked LoC boundary enjoys since the Kargil War in international circles.
Notes:​


[A] A spate of denials and counter-denials by the Indian Air Force and Army when the story was ‘leaked’ to the public. The confusion continued for months till Defence Minister George Fernandes confirmed the incident in Parliament in November.

The term 'Kargil-II' is not official; coined by mass media.

[C] The date of the air strike was reported to be 29th July by Praveen Swami.​
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Revision History :

[v1.0][13.Dec.2008] - First Upload
[v1.0][28.Jan.2009] - Minor correction
[v1.1][14.Nov.2009] - Correction on 53 Inf Bde, Email correspondence with Brig. Gurmeet Kanwal (retd.)
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References :



  1. “Zones of incursion” by Praveen Swami.
    Published in Frontline (Volume 19 - Issue 19, September 14 - 27, 2002).
  2. Citiation for Vayu Sena Medal (VM) awarded to Wg Cdr Rajesh Kumar.
    http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/03oct09/news.htm
  3. “LoC turns hot again” by Praveen Swami.
    Published in Business Line (Aug 24, 2002)
  4. Press release – “Vacating Loonda Post in LoC Kashmir”
    http://www.mod.nic.in/pressreleases/content.asp?id=336
  5. "When Pakistan took Loonda Post" By Praveen Swami
    Published in Frontline (Volume 19 - Issue 18, August 31 - September 13, 2002)
  6. UPI
    http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20021114-100834-6290r
  7. 21-nov-2008 PTI “India used troops, IAF to evict Pak intrusion”
    http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=98975
  8. Hindustan Times
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_106617,0008.htm
  9. “George told IAF to clear peak” by Seema Mustafa
    Published in the Asian Age 22-Nov-2008
  10. “Laser-guided bombs used to evict Pak troops from LoC”
    http://www.siliconindia.com/shownewsdata.asp?newsno=17697&newscat=Top
  11. "CO removed for allowing Pak troops to occupy LoC position" By Josy Joseph

Pakistan Army Intrusion

The incident was covered in some detail by Praveen Swami of the “The Hindu” newspaper. According to Swami, Pakistan occupied four sangarhs (improvised bunkers made of stone) and forward trenches that had been built by Indian troops over the years at Loonda Post which is in the Machhal (or Macchil) Sector. Reportedly unexpected whiteout conditions due to rain and fog provided cover to the Pakistani troops.

The area was the responsibility of a battalion of the Sikh Light Infantry under the 53 Infantry Brigade. The overall command of the LoC in the

area fell with the 15 Corps.

Loonda Post has strategic value because it overlooks Kel town in the Neelam Valley on the Pakistani side of the LoC. It is not known how long the Pakistani troops were occupying the feature.

However, the official statement by the Indian government released later denies that Loonda Post was captured by the Pakistan Army [A]:

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“It is not factually correct that the Pakistan troops had occupied a strategic post on our side of the Line of Control which necessitated a massive attack by Indian troops & air force on Loonda post in Machal sector. However, in the last week of July 2002, there was minor Pakistan intrusion, approximately 800 meters on our side of the Line of Control in the area of Point 3260, which is 1800 meters East of Loonda post.”
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As to why the feature was lost to Pakistani troops;​

“Point 3260 is not considered tactically important and viable for physical occupation by our own troops. Being in close proximity of the Line of Control and the area not being physically occupied, Pakistan troops had intruded into this area. However, since the area is regularly patrolled by our own troops, they observed presence of some Pakistan troops in the area of Point 3260 on July 26, 2002”.​
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  1. http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/aug/15josy.htm
 
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